Talk:Demographics of the People's Republic of China

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The result of the debate was no consensus, not moved. —Centrx→talk • 00:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support. -  AjaxSmack  05:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. PRC includes Hong Kong and Macao. But this article is about demographics specifically of mainland China, which does not include Hong Kong and Macao. --- Hong Qi Gong 20:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. The current article's scope can always be expanded to include the entirety of the PRC. The distinctiveness of the two SARs can still be maintained by keeping their respective articles, as is the case in many other topics.--Huaiwei 13:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. There's little reason to put three constituent parts in one article. This article is on the part of the PRC with Hong Kong and Macao excluded, i.e. mainland China. — Instantnood 19:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support Absolutely. And there are not 3 constituent parts, there are 33. Mr Noodles happens to forget that. SchmuckyTheCat 05:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • With due respect, please kindly refer to the 1982 Constitution. Article 30 provides for administrative divisions. Article 31 provides for the establishment of special administrative regions. Articles 18 in both basic laws each provides that national laws do not apply in the corresponding special administrative region, except for those listed in the annexes III in both basic laws. In other words for most purposes most of the constitution, including Article 30, as well as most PRC laws, are applied only in mainland China. Mainland China is divided into provinces, autonomous regions and "municipalities directly under the Central Government", and the PRC can establish special administrative region(s). — Instantnood 21:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

blah blah blah. You've said this same thing at least half a dozen times already everytime it's a dispute. It's old meme. I'm not going to get into it again just because the dispute is on a different subject. SchmuckyTheCat 04:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The two names are different. Passer-by 21:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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• (responding to user:SchmuckyTheCat's comment at 04:00, September 10) It's a fact, an actual fact that wouldn't be changed despite how many times somebody declines to accept. (But somebody does happen to be declining every time, without referring to any reputable and reliable source.) — Instantnood 19:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

• And ditto to somebody else with regards to the opposing view. Duh.--Huaiwei 02:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was move to Demographics of the People's Republic of China. 03:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move Request 2

I re-wrote the sections to include summary style paragraphs and links to HK/MO for each section, and did some basic statistics in the numbers section. [1]. At this point the article is about the PRC, and not the mainland, which was the objection above. SchmuckyTheCat 23:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose. Demographics of China was already written following the summary style. This article has always been focused only on mainland China since its creation. It is confusing to have some information and figures only for the mainland, while some others covers the PRC in general, within the same sections; and at the same time information and figures for the PRC in general are missing. The three parts of the PRC are different jurisdiction sand have different administration and standards in compiling these information. Meanwhile, please propose your controversial changes in a temp page, instead of editing in the main namespace. Regards. — Instantnood 06:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Demographics of China is a dab page, not a summary style. That you can revert it to a very very old (two years ago) article where it was written in summary style does not reflect any community consensus or make for a good article. SchmuckyTheCat 16:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

An article writtern with a certain focus in mind in the beginning need not mean its scope can never be changed somewhere down the line. Are there any policies or guidelines forbidding this change? And as STC said, that is clearly a disamg page, not an article in summary style as your own link shows!--Huaiwei 16:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

• Support per request. —  AjaxSmack  10:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Support As per my comment above. The PRC is the name of a country, while Mainland China is a geopolitical and POV-laden terminology which should not be used liberally in place of the country name, particularly on article names.--Huaiwei 11:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Suppport my change. SchmuckyTheCat 16:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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