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[edit] Claude Ashton & Roger Winlaw
Thanks for adding the RAF career details to these two articles. For future reference, how could I find the London Gazette entries? They didn't come up in my Google searches. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Image captions: reply
Actually, I did make changes (Auden) in order to avoid redirects, which you would have noticed, if you had cared to check properly. But you're right in that I did more changes. I wasn't aware of the WP:MOS on captions. Now that I am, I believe it's wrong. There's no reason why there shouldn't be a period. Now, I expect you to remove most periods in the captions, since very few of them have full sentences. "A portrait of XX." is not a full sentence. A full sentence requires a verb. LarRan (talk) 13:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Secondary patrons in calendar
You will find an English translation of the norms for the liturgical calendar here. In the list of celebrations by order of precedence, a "memorial of a secondary patron of the place, diocese, region, or province, country or wider territory, or of an order or congregation and of a religious province" (11 a) comes immediately after "obligatory memorials in the General Calendar" (10). (If you prefer the Latin text, exactly as it is on page 102 of the latest (2002) typical edition of the Missale Romanum, you can find it here.) Seems to me therefore that, just as a country's principal patron will certainly be honoured with (at least) a feast (8 c) – if the saint is especially important in the devotional life of the country, as in Ireland Saint Patrick puts all local patrons into the shade, his celebration may well be ranked as a solemnity – a country's secondary patron will certainly be honoured with (at minimum) an obligatory memorial in that country's liturgical calendar (11 a), and, consequently, any saint who is not honoured in that calendar with an obligatory memorial – an optional memorial would not be enough – is not (now) a national patron, whatever about the past. Am I wrong? Lima (talk) 13:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Apologies. I should have read the Latin text, the reference to which I added later. It has no explicit mention of "country". However, the English translation may be right in considering Latin "regio" to include "country". It would be most peculiar for the Church in a country to rank a saint as its patron, even if only a secondary patron, and then exclude that saint from its liturgical calendar! (Of course, I mean "patron" in the technical sense, since all the hundreds of saints who have some connection with England can be and are looked on as patrons of England.) So I think the translation given can be called correct, even if not literal. Lima (talk) 14:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- I've had a look today at the Talk page. I don't have the patience/interest to try to read the huge amount that has been added to it since I last visited it, and I don't want to be drawn into the discussion, which would require a full reading. But my eye fell on an egregious (implicit) non sequitur: "The liturgical calendar is not responsible for defining patron saints." Of course not. It's the other way round: the existence of patron saints defines the liturgical calendar. The calendar takes account of the existence of patron saints (if any), it doesn't make them. The liturgical calendar (rather, the mention in it of a patron saint) is the result, not the cause. But if the result is missing, it can be deduced that the cause is missing also.
- And I see I'm misquoted. What we have for England is precisely "the official set of liturgical celebrations, drawn up by a country's Catholic bishops and confirmed by the Holy See", which I said is authoritative. I distinguished that from a printed calendar, which may of course contain mistakes, anything from simple misprints to graver errors.
- I wish you patience. Lima (talk) 15:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Philip Kelland
Hello David! How are you? Thank you for finding a reference for the article Philip Kelland. Good job! Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 12:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] London Meetup tomorrow lunchtime
Hi there. You signed up for Wikipedia:Meetup/London 9. See you tomorrow then! ...by the way, what's this other meeting? mysterious coincidence -- Harry Wood (talk) 15:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- And can I interest you in Wikipedia:Meetup/London 10. This Sunday 1p.m.! -- Harry Wood (talk) 00:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Eric Cole
Many thanks for the work on Eric Cole. There are several people who have played cricket for national sides in Africa and the Far East pre-World War II due to being stationed in those countries, and I can never find enough info on their army careers! Andrew nixon (talk) 17:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hopefully it will appear in DYK on the main page in the next couple of days. I'm almost embarrassed that the DYK hook will be about his cricket career now that his army career has been given such a good treatment. In future, I may just give you a nudge about any army cricketers who I've written about. I tend to write mostly about cricketers from the non-test nations, and given the nature of British colonial life prior to World War II, many from that period are also Army officers. Two recent ones you may want to have a look at are James Leaf - he played for the Catterick Garrison cricket team, so that should help any search for information, and Geoffrey Rawson, who served at the War Office and was Aide de Camp to George VI. Andrew nixon (talk) 16:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Another one for you to check out may be Robert Melsome, created today. He played cricket for the Army, and his Army career seems to have taken him to China, Nigeria and Egypt, playing cricket in all three countries. According to his Wisden obituary, he once got a mention in despatches for his cricket, though I suspect that may be an exaggeration. Andrew nixon (talk) 15:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Henry Phillpotts, Bishop of Exeter
Your copy editing has much improved the article. Very good.Kbservices (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Harold Winthrop Clapp
Thanks for your additional information on Clapp's knighthood, and then immediately citing a reference for the information. If only everyone on Wikipedia could follow your example!
- Zzrbiker (talk) 13:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Frederick Geoffrey Lawrence
Good work!! You really fleshed out his early life and career. Thanks:) Malick78 (talk) 21:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hi again. Unfortunately I don't have access to the ODNB, so I can't see what other things might be added. As for his name, I had an inkling that he didn't use 'Frederick', but disambiguation would then be a problem, especially since they were both lawyers at roughly the same time. You're probably right though that it should be moved. Geoffrey Lawrence (non-Nuremburg lawyer) hardly sounds good though. What would you suggest? Malick78 (talk) 08:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] My RfA
Hi David; I wanted to say thank you for supporting my request for adminship, which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, PeterSymonds | talk 22:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] BOAC Flight 712
The link you added for the GC and BEM comes up as an error page when accessed. Would you take a look and see it it can be corrected please? Mjroots (talk) 09:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know about any middle name. It must have been recorded somewhere. I'll see what I can find on the net. I've added the citations to the article, I think they say it better than I could, plus which, it helps towards the 5x expansion for DYK which I've nominated the article for. Mjroots (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
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- A possible result! The middle one of the three could be him. Unfortunately my ancient computer won't open the PDF file. I was surprised it opened the link you posted, normally it just freezes when a PDF file is opened. Can you check it out, if it is him can you add the citation to the article. Mjroots (talk) 14:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Spelling at Waterloo
Thanks for the note: I'll raise it on the talk page. --ROGER DAVIES talk 11:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Michael Jeffery
Isn't it interesting how when you put the quote into context, it seems quite mild. Take it out of context, and it sounds quite dubious! Pdfpdf (talk) 11:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Edwin Pears
Hey David, How are you? Thank you for your contributions to the article Edwin Pears. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Eric Cole
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[edit] Alexander Wilkinson
I've created an article on Alexander Wilkinson (full name William Alexander Camac Wilkinson) today, concentrating on his lengthy cricket career. He was also in the army, was awarded the DSO and Military Cross, and it would appear that he served in both World Wars, so this one may be one you can really get your teeth into. Andrew nixon (talk) 15:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- From the sounds of things, the man should have a film made about him! Andrew nixon (talk) 15:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
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- He's already been nominated for DYK for his cricket career by a third party. Feel free to suggest an alternative hook including some of his army exploits though. Andrew nixon (talk) 16:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] 8th KRIH
Hey thanks. I really appreciate your input on the 8th KRIH page. You and Woody have been of great help there.GDD1000 (talk) 13:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] RE:Problem user
All blocked and tagged. If you get anymore trouble just leave me another message. Hope all is good. Regards. Woody (talk) 11:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Another one
I was about to start an article on Archibald Cassels' cricket career, but as it would appear he is much more notable for his army career, having been awarded the Order of the Bath, the DSO and been knighted, I thought you might want to start this one, and I'll add the cricket stuff later. According to his Wisden obituary, he "led the liberation of Le Havre and St. Valéry, became GOC of the 51st Highland Division and eventually Chief of the General Staff." Andrew nixon (talk) 13:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Also Rowland Musson, an RAF man who made "world record flights" and his brother Major General Aflred Musson, CB, CBE. I have a particular interest in those two as they happen to be from my home town! No problem if you don't have the time, but I feel that as these players are more notable for their military careers, someone more knowledgeable in that area should start of their articles. Andrew nixon (talk) 13:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
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- It seems that Cassels already had an article at James Cassels (British Army officer). I've added his cricket career to the article, but for someone so notable, the army section is sorely in need of attention. Andrew nixon (talk) 15:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Alex
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[edit] Category:Yeomanry regiments of the British Army
Thanks I have some reverting to do Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Derek Denny-Brown
Thanks for expanding that article. I've managed to get hold of a biography by a retired neurologist and am awaiting another from Dr Vilensky, who seems to be in charge of his papers.
Yesterday I created Charles Symonds. He seems to have had an army career of sorts. Any hope of working some of that into his biography - I'm not that savvy with military phraseology! JFW | T@lk 15:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm on Athens but only as an employee of the NHS. No ODNB for me... Possibly a good thing as I wouldn't know when to stop. JFW | T@lk 16:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hinchcliffe
Hi, I understand the referencing problem and am slowly working to track additional sources, but ...there are forums and forums. The WW1 modellers seem to have an attitude to detail and integrity that is sadly lacking in Wiki, (no vandalism, none, no trolls, none). I hope that they read the page and help update it. I plan to email the main contributors when it is tidy. Thanks for your contributions so far. p.s. the DSO/DFC error was because i didn't already know the difference and was working too late. Autodidactyl (talk) 13:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- I read it in Sopwith Camel Aces of World War 1 By Denes Bernad, Norman Franks [1] on page 48. May find other references later. Autodidactyl (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- OK. I cant find any other Google references for AFC.
Hi, I have just added Royal Aero Club of the United Kingdom year book 1918, chapter on Aviators Certificates dated 30 September 1918 to Hinchcliffe as an offline reference ... One of the experts at the WW1 Modelers forum emailed me, I think he has the book. It would be good if you know how to find/access an online version? I am out of my depth on military history and archives. Regards Autodidactyl (talk) 21:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] QOOH
I did try and mix it up a little maybe more got througth from the Oxfordshie CC site then I intended , still learning the ropes but I did think the link with Churchill was worth copying Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] RE: Geoff
It is indeed, my spellchecker has been Americanising. It normally is not a big issue provided that the whole article uses only one form of spelling, but articles on British topics ought to use British spellings. I'll swap my spellchecker over and tinker. Cheers SGGH speak! 15:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] AoC
I'm unclear as to what you find "completely unnecessary" about the phrase "de jure." Ordinary episcopal duties in the diocese are carried out by the Bishop in Canterbury. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 15:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Of course it could be withdrawn: that's what "delegated" means. The addition of two words (while leaving the fleshing out to the main body of the article) is hardly overloading the lead. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 15:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVII (May 2008)
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[edit] St. Mary's Church, Chepstow
Thanks for the infobox! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Medeshamstede
I'm not sure your edit summary, "per WP:Layout, [a guideline, not policy] see also should precede refs." is correct, so I don't know why you were so quick to revert. Can you please point to where it explicitly states that? Chrisieboy (talk) 11:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] John Oswald
Thankyou for all your work on this article with the gazette references. I rechecked the ODNB regarding the references you had trouble with and found that he was made GCMG in 1838 and the exact wording regarding the Rifle Brigade was "colonel-commandant of one of the batteries of the rifle brigade", which seems a little odd to me as I wasn't aware the Rifle Brigade was organised into batteries. I don't know whether you intend to continue looking, but if you do this may be of assistance. Thanks again, --Jackyd101 (talk) 18:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks, again!
I'm beginning to suspect myopia has become my nemesis on Wikipedia! Although that is a self-diagnosis...thanks for spotting that :-). SoLando (Talk) 14:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] SOME ADVICE
David, I have been informed of a duplicte artricle and with your help with other articles i am approaching youself, the two articles are, Lothian and Border Horse and Lothians and Border Horse Yeomanry , I have been working on the 1st and the other appears to be a copy , Question is how do we delete one, is it just a request for speedy delation ? Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Speedy service - I had not considered that way good idea Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Erik Chisholm
It would be fantastic to have access to Grove's Dictionary of Music and the ODNB. I actually did reference the ODNB but have lost my access to it since I changed university and would love to check some facts for referencing. And I'm pretty sure my public library in Rondebosch doesn't subscribe! --Cazo3788 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Just received the emails and the ODNB article works. Thanks again. --Cazo3788 (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Peterborough
David, I have spent some considerable time working on this article and I get the impression you routinely go through my edits afterwards, which is rather demoralising, particularly as you do not make any substantive contributions there yourself. Chrisieboy (talk) 09:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Fair point. Sorry, I think I just need another cup of tea! Chrisieboy (talk) 10:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Need help trying to find Gazette
Whilst doing up the Crimean War recipients list, I can't seem to find the gazetting of the VC for Matthew Hughes. I have tried all the search combinations I can think of, I was wondering if you would know where to find it? I presume it is on the general backdated VC list for the Crimean War, but I can't seem to find it. Any help would be most appreciated, thanks and regards. Woody (talk) 13:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- That is perfect, very much appreciated as always! Best Regards. Woody (talk) 14:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Tenzing Norgay
Hey David, why did you add "Tibetan" in the lead of Tenzing Norgay? Norgay is viewed as a hero in Nepal. Cheers! 202.79.62.21 (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ok. I was reading WP:RS. Reliable sources are important on Wikipedia. Here, Norgay is viewed as a Nepali. But, on Wikipedia, reliable sources are needed. I will try to find them. Cheers! 202.79.62.21 (talk) 16:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Copyedit
Thanks for the copy-edit at Christopher Smart. Ottava Rima (talk) 12:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Ralph Vaughan Williams's "Style"
Re: "it's not presented as a quote, but as a summary":
I'm saying something like this--entirely subjective--needs to be "presented as a quote". Footnotes should be reserved for fact. TheScotch (talk) 02:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Archibald Bodkin
Hi, once again I'm here to congratulate you on your good work on an article:) Well done! Malick78 (talk) 09:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Charles Symonds
I noticed your expansion. Well done. Let me know when you're done so I can fix up the medicine related bits. JFW | T@lk 20:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
