Talk:David Gilmour

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[edit] Amplifiers

I am surprised to see no mention of Gilmour's work with amplification. Townshend and Gilmour worked to create new quadrophonics and bigger and better HIWATT amps.

That'd be a great addition. Needs citations though or else it comes off sounding like original research Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 22:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] added new project

added info about Christmas 2006 release of multi track 12" dedication to Syd Barret

[edit] Redirect

Just to let you know, there is another guitarist by the name David Gilmore. There shouldn't be a redirect from that name. -Tim

picture? someone should put in a picture

[edit] DOB

i thought he was born in 1946? -He looks so old now, just an observation.

you could well be right: [1].--bodnotbod 22:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Link to info on his new solo album.

If he turns 60 on March 6th, 2006, then he would have been born in 1946 right? --TurtleSpartan

Yes he was, how could someone write he was born in 1987? I have never seen a 19 y/o that old looking. (Changed date of birth) --Zen Novalis 20:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone's had a bit of fun..."Gilmour has chubby fingers that move round the fretboard slowly but he is extremely talented."

[edit] The Rolling Stone's "100th Greatest.." and the equipment list

This list is highly criticized and there's tons of other lists and just having one of them make Rolling Stone as some sort of de facto bible on music. It don't have any value.

David Gilmour owns roughly 300 guitars and use a lot of effects, maybe this list should be on a separate page? Take a look at www.gilmourish.com

[edit] Biography section too messy

I think the biography section is too messy, maybe it should be divided into "background and early years" "music career and pink floyd" "family life" "non-music activities"... just a thought...

[edit] Saxophone

He's also recently achieved grade four on the saxophone.

[edit] Picture

I like that picture of him with the Strat much more than the one with the Tele. And anyway, he is associated much more with the Strat than the Tele...

[edit] David Gilmour's music on CD's

I went to our local music store to look for David Gilmour's music. They do not keep it in stock but ordered from their Johannesburg South Africa store. The Johannesburg store advised that the CD's "David Gilmour" (recorded Spring 1978) and "About Face" (recorded 1984) were 'deleted' and are not available anymore. I have the record albums but desperately would like to acquire at least the CD "David Gilmour" as that was brilliant. Who can help? Reply on this page please to Denis from Namibia, Africa.

Denis, on http://www.amazon.com pick "music" then search for "David Gilmour," and you'll find plenty of sellers. You'll then need to contact them to find which are set up to take your payment and ship to your country. Good luck! Please remove this section when you have read this because it really doesn't help improve the article about Gilmour. VisitorTalk 05:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Sinking off the charts'

I'm guessing the person who inserted that little jewel is probably trolling (he's been known to do so on two well-known Floyd-related forums). It's completely unnecessary to the article - the article is about David Gilmour and not how classic rock sells in the United States. In addition I would consider it a POV issue - why it came so quickly off the charts could have many reasons, ranging from other kinds of music being popular, to it being a poor piece of music, to...well, you get the point. I don't have any idea that it is either of those reasons, so not pointing fingers. But it is purely speculation to suggest that other genres are selling better and so is the only direct reason for it falling off the charts. 71.209.144.121 04:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Gilmour works as producer

Anyone has a full list of albums (of other artists) that Gilmour has produced? I am aware of the Unicorn and maybe the Gong... Dr. Who 22:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe the Miles/Mabbet book had a reasonably complete index of them. Of course, that would only go up to whenever that book was last updated.

Off the top of my head, he did some production work on The Dream Academy's first and third albums. He also apparently played a little on the first, and he definitely co-wrote a song and did some backing vocals on the third. PurplePlatypus 22:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cables

I removed a direct link to some cable company whose cables were used in few gigs. This isn't notable, plus it wasn't a link to any wikipedia article. --syvanen 10:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me but is there some cabal here which refuses to acknowledge the fact he uses the cables I build for him? Cables I design and build with my own hands for the purpose of contributing to a quality sound for both recording and live performances? Do you have anything to contribute other than to decide what is or is not important to someone else’s sound?

I mean come on! I removed the direct link (which other companies provide). If that gets your knickers in a twist fine, you could have left my entry (unlinked) in the effects section. But no. Killed.

Then someone weeks later comes along and creates a Miscelaneous (sic) category -- someone who can't even use a spell check for his Wikipedia entries... and I figure if his picks and strings can be mentioned, it should be reasonable for me to add my cables (without a link) under this category, even if the category title is spelled wrong.

Yet no. Someone feels the need to delete my entry repeatedly -- all without fixing the spelling mistake mind you.

What more do you need? Half the external links regarding his gear on this page MENTION Evidence Audio:

Source: http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=133

Source: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jroscoe/Live8.html

Source: http://sparebricks.fika.org/sbzine28/ggg.html

Do I need to post a picture of me on his stage? For Christ’s sake lighten up and delete 40% of the information on this page or stop singling me out as some sort of spammer.

No wonder Larry Sanger is creating Citizendium – some of you illustrate perfectly why editors need to prove their expertise before hacking away at this place.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.113.241 (talk • contribs)

Well, as you might understand this is a encyclopedia. Do encyclopedias have links or even urls in artists entries to makes of their equipment? I'm happy if someone makes misc subtopic in the article and adds names of stuff used and maybe link to encyclopedia article of the item in question. But again that article has to be notable to even exist.

You plee that you are doing things yourself is familiar to me also. I do freelancer work as graphics artist and inhouse production here in Finland. But I'm just happy with the money and thanks I get from the producers who hire me for the gig they do in Finland. I understand that you want some credits just as the other stuff listed in David Gilmour article, but please don't turn it into direct link to a website where you sell stuff. --syvanen 10:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ringo Starr

He played guitar on a track in Ringo's last album, I forgot the name, if anyone does know, add it to the list.

[edit] Fairuza Balk

The article on Fairuza Balk states that she was in a band with a "Steve Gilmour" who the article further claims is David's son. Since I can't recall reading anything about a son named Steve, I checked this article. And no, no Steve. So can someone with more resources available to them than me right now check this out. I'd say the F.B. page is wrong but I'm not 100% certain that I remember each of the Floyd's kids that well. Dismas|^(talk) 07:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why cant we call him "Sir David Gilmour"?

He is CBE, just like elton john is. Also, he is a citizen of the queen. So why isint he Sir? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.2.121.130 (talk) 00:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). I don't personally know but I bet that the reasoning is in there. Dismas|^(talk) 20:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

A CBE does not make you a "sir". Elton John was knighted. A CBE does let you call yourself Fred Smith CBE, but not Sir Fred. Hobson 03:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I tried to add more instruments to the infobox, but they are not showed. Can someone check the source? something is wrong with that infobox.--Dr. Who 19:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I repaired the infobox back to it's proper Guitarist Project state. I put the "died" field back in. I know it isn't required at this time(and hopefully won't be for a long time) But...as long as the field is blank...it won't show up in the main article anyways so the Project box formatting might as well be maintained. Anger22 has added the audio sample field to the Guitarist project box. It allows for a 30 second solo snippet to be included showing the artist's "signature sound". It would be great to see a soundbyte of Gilmour's Comfortably Numb solo added to the box. 156.34.215.98 19:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You repaired? Ok, please note anyway that the instruments list was there previous to my edits, I didn't damage anything. :) Dr. Who 19:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Repaired?? maybe restored would have been a better choice of wording. Some of the fields had been jumbled(or renamed) so I guess I thought repairing was the best description of my edit...not a comment on the previous edit. What are your thoughts on a "Numb" solo being added to the box. I suggest that one as it's the one that fans seem to discuss the most. Perhaps there is a more notable solo/signature sound from Gilmour that would best represent his style in the infobox audio field? 156.34.227.20 20:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, Comfotably Numb is very well known, and it's a Pink Floyd song. I would like to see there 'Raise my rent', the instrumental from his first solo album. Or maybe the lead guitar line in 'you know I'm right' from 'About face'.Dr. Who 20:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Excellent choices. I have both as well. When I can escape the school library and return home to my 'logged' state of Wiki-being...I will dig them out and see if I can slice a snippet from one of them. The audio sample in the Mark Knopfler infobox uses an ogg codec. Is that the norm? Do you know the "Wiki-standard" for audio uploads?. 156.34.227.20 20:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. :) . Yes, there is a policy, you can read at [2]. Dr. Who 21:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Gilmour concert.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Gilmour 1984.jpg

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[edit] "Amused himself"

"During Pink Floyd's quiet spells, David Gilmour has amused himself as a producer and even concert sound engineer" seems to me to be editorializing, somewhat condescendingly at that. VisitorTalk 05:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Car race

Was Gilmour injured in the accident that inspired "One slip?" VisitorTalk 05:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia viewing

According to an interview, David has read his own Wikipedia page, "but not recently", and humourously claims he found inaccuracies in it. 99.243.128.125 03:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Musical style section

I feel that musical style need not be so detailed. I mean that use of terms "minor pentatonic (1 b3 4 5 b7), blues(1 b3 4 b5 5 b7)...etc" are too technical and a layman would not understand it. Also i think it's not encyclopaedic. I'm thinking of trimming it down or if consensus prevails then i suggest deleting the whole section with the exception of his multi-instrument playing ability, rock and roll hall of fame award and comfortably numb guitar solo info which i think could be included in other sections of the article.
Another thing i wanna discuss is about "Main musical equipment" section which i feel is unnecesary. I suggest we move the info to a separate article of its own and provide a link here to the main article alongwith a brief description in one para.

I wanna know what ppl think of it??...also i request all floyd fans to provide inline citations/references to all the claims made in the article. This way we can hope to push it closer towards GA nomination. Right now, its still a far cry away...Gprince007 15:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

>>Regarding the main musical equipment section, if you are going to delete the information, and just propose a new article for it, then follow up and create the article, or do not delete it. If not, the information can potentially be lost.

A quick comment... just about every significant guitarist and DG is certainly one of those has a "gear" section. Most could use a bit of a trim and some citations (any Tony Bacon book will do). But they do not warrant being deleted as they provide some technical information that is interesting... albeit... if only to guitar players. 156.34.208.175 (talk) 01:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

First of all no info is lost in wikipedia....it can be retrieved from history. Secondly, the musical equipment list is too lengthy and unnecessary. Gilmour might have used 100 or 1000 guitars....do the readers need to know all the names of the guitars used??? if needed u may describe a few guitars in prose if its notable enough and verifiable. I also see that the anon ip added the list of musical equipments back to the article. Is it sourced??? how can we verify it??....unless and until it is verifiable, i dont think it needs to be added to the article. A short para describing a few guitars he uses is ok provided it is accompanied by valid sources and inline citations. also pls go through the guidlines regarding the use of jargon in wikipedia.Gprince007 (talk) 14:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Do readers need to know all the tech info??? Some do. I found it interesting enough to retrieve it (and I am a staunch deletionist) .Stick an unref'd template and a cleanup template on it ... but it's still a keeper for the reasons previously stated. 156.34.142.110 (talk) 15:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I think we can come to some common ground on this issue - it's doesn't have to be all or nothing. The list as it exists is way unwieldy but I don't think the solution is to delete it. I propose two things:

Turn the Equipment section into prose rather than a list; write about his equipment, don't just list it.
Find sources that discuss his equipment to determine what is notable, then trim.

I really think Andy Summers is a great example of what an Equipment section should be. It is prose, it is limited to what is notable, and it is sourced. The section here should be tagged - and I'm assuming that those bringing up the issue here are willing to work on it? --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 16:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I will pitch in if I can find anything in the library on the subject. Doubtful... lots on Pink Floyd... probably none on DG's gear. For anyone else who wishes to tackle the topic (which I think is a valid one since Gilmour's unique style/tone orignate directly from his very specific use of equipement/effects)... Gilmourish.com is an excellent websource for technical info on the subject. I normally do not like websites as sources (I prefer books/periodicals) but this source is very well researched and very indepth. Hope that helps. 156.34.215.179 (talk) 17:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm positive sources can be found through LexisNexis. They index every issue of Guitar Player and many others. I'm sure there have been articles on Gilmour's gear. I won't have time today but I can look for sources this week. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 17:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Spike on this one. I am in favor of converting it into prose cited with valid sources. Thats what i've said before (see comments above). Right now it looks like a long, wobbly list. But i feel the paragraph shd list notable guitars only. Maybe Spike can help with it...Gprince007 (talk) 06:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is this an error?

"Energy consuming an uncomfortable relationship" Shouldn't that be "energy-consuming uncomfortable relationship", or perhaps "energy-consuming and uncomfortable relationship". As it stands it makes little sense, but I wouldn't want to correct it without knowing what he actually said. --Memestream (talk) 13:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

If its wrong, then u are free to change it.....be Bold while editing. Gprince007 (talk) 10:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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