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[edit] Jay Brannan

You may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Brannan. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 20:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New mailing list

There has been a mailing list created for Wikipedians in the New York metropolitan area (list: Wikimedia NYC). Please consider joining it! Cbrown1023 talk 20:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10

Thanks for finding the great references for the Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1, that made my rewriting efforts much easier. It was very satisfying that our work resulted in the article being voted Keep.

I'm going to try to find the time to do the same with the Panasonic Lumix DMC-L10. It would help me a lot of you could find some good references for this model. Thanks. --RenniePet (talk) 10:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I added the refs just after you finished the rewrite to the DMC-L10, and it also was a Keep. You might want to see this AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ7. — Becksguy (talk) 02:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was good that we got that Keep. Thanks for adding the references.
I'm sorry, but my primary interest in digital photography is the Four Thirds System, and I'm trying to keep my Wikipedia time down, so I'm afraid I'm not willing to do anything about possible deletion of an article about a non-Four Thirds System camera. --RenniePet (talk) 17:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smile from David Shankbone

David Shankbone has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing!
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[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered by SatyrBot around 17:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC) SatyrBot (talk) 17:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Huggle User Category

Hi there. I have seen that you use huggle by the fact that you have automatically updated the huggle white list(it does this when closing huggle). I was wondering if you would add the category [[Category:Wikipedians who use Huggle]] to your user page so that it fills out and we know who actually uses huggle. If you do not want to you do not have to. I am also sorry if i have already talked to you about this or you no longer use huggle but i sent it to everyone that has edited the page since mid January. I hope we can start to fill out this category. If you would like to reply to this message then please reply on my talk page as i will probably not check here again. Thanks. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 18:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] please reconsider David. Take a few weeks if necessary, but please come back. Don't let the trolls drive you crazy

drive?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.93.49 (talk) 21:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You are invited!

New York City Meetup


Next: Sunday March 16th, Columbia University area
Last: 1/13/2008
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In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, and have salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

Well also make preparations for our exciting Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, a free content photography contest for Columbia University students planned for Friday March 28 (about 2 weeks after our meeting).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

You're also invited to subscribe to the public Wikimedia New York City mailing list, which is a great way to receive timely updates.
This has been an automated delivery because you were on the invite list. BrownBot (talk) 02:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Message

Hello, Becksguy. You have new messages at Addshore's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} template.

·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 07:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Huggle Category Problem

Resolved.

Hi there.You are receiving this message from me as you have not added your huggle category correctly. At the moment on category here you can see that you are sorted under the letter U. To fix this please change the [[Category:Wikipedians who use Huggle]] to [[Category:Wikipedians who use Huggle|YOURNICKNAMEHERE]]. This will fix the problem. If you do not change this within a few days then i will do this for you but i would prefer to send you a message like this than just go and change your page. If you want to contact me then please use my talk page as i will not be checking back here. Thanks for your help. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 16:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. — Becksguy (talk) 22:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for reverting vandalism

Hi! You've received this templated message because you've recently reverted vandalism on User:TenOfAllTrades or User talk:TenOfAllTrades. I'd like to thank you for fixing things up, and I appreciate the effort.

The vandalism you've reverted is due to a serial vandal and harrasser that once went by the username Light current. He's been indefinitely blocked for a year, but just hasn't seemed to have taken the hint. Sometimes he'll edit using an IP from one of Tiscali UK's ranges, other times he'll use a throwaway sock of some sort. The page at Wikipedia:Abuse reports/Tiscali DSL provides the background. Typical IP addresses are 76.76.* and 88.108.* through 88.111.*.

If you're an administrator, it is in general safe to block indefinitely any accounts that vandalize my talk page without issuing any advance warnings. If you're blocking an IP address, I recommend blocks of 31 hours. Longer blocks risk collateral damage, while shorter blocks may not serve to actually prevent further vandalism. (Previous experience suggests that Tiscali DSL IPs roll over about once a day.) If you're not an administrator, please consider posting a report at WP:AIV. Light current typically continues to deface pages and undo reverts of his vandalism until blocked.

Typically, he will vandalize your user or talk page after you've reverted vandalism on my user pages; I apologize for any inconvenience, and thank you again for mopping up. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] hello there

That wasn't vandalism on my article, I was the one adding that stuff. ;-) Thank you for watching my page...I'll do the same for you. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I have several user pages on watch, including yours, Benji's, Satyr's, Allstar's, and others. Ones that I find have been vandalized (and also have some very interesting threads). In fact I have hundreds of watch pages, way too many, including many of the articles at the top of the vandalism list, and a couple of noticeboards. We all have to watch each others back, and watch out for the whole project, otherwise the barbarians will get through the gates and sack the city of Wikipedia, metaphorically speaking here. However, you give me more credit than I deserve. You should see some of the vandalism I see on vandal patrol using WP:Huggle. Or maybe you do. Note that I'm not talking about honest AGF disagreement between editors. Funny, I came to WP to write and edit articles on those subjects I find interesting and have some experience and knowledge about, and yet I find myself manning the barricades instead. Go figure. — Becksguy (talk) 05:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I have quite a few userpages and over 500 articles on my watchlist. It seems like every time I log on, it takes me 30 minutes to catch up all of the action that occurred during my absence. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] that deletion

wait until that admin wakes up at a reasonable hour and has a chance to respond. See my talk page for how the error probably occurred. . I probably would have made the same mistake as he did. DGG (talk) 08:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] bios

See User:DGG/bios for the comment by TBHecht. He's the guy I mentioned to you on sunday. And you might want to join [1]DGG (talk) 09:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Church of Google

This appears to be a case of Wikipedia:Gaming the system as the article and its variants have under gone multiple AfDs with the majority closing as DELETE:

I am going to put it up at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Church of Google (3rd nomination) one more time. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 16:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aleta's RFA

Hi Becksguy, thanks for your polite inquiry. Even if you do ever happen to disagree with something I say, feel free to ask me for further explanation. My comment left a lot unsaid. Basically, there are some areas of "project space" like Administrator intervention against vandalism or Candidates for Speedy Deletion that always benefit from more eyes. But many places in project space, such as the various centralized noticeboards and policy pages, have too many admins in my opinion.

Most of the best admins I've encountered spend most of their time editing articles and use their tools around areas in which they have some knowledge. From her contributions, Aleta's a lot like the people that I consider good admins. Also, in my experience, most of the worst admins have spent their time in various Wikipedia pages getting in fights. Now, that's not to say that every editor who edits noticeboards is bad, or that everyone who edits articles is good. But, on balance, I'm concerned that a lot of policy pages tend to draw people who are more interested in "drama" than in writing an encyclopedia. I know that when I start to spend more time on discussion than article research and editing, I quickly become less happy with the project, and also of less benefit to the project.

Also, in my experience, the most thoughtful commentators in places like deletion discussions are usually the editors who spend a lot of time writing articles, rather than editors who spend most of their time commenting. Editors who write articles are very often better judges of what can be fixed, what can't; experts with a particular field are much better at determining what's important within a field, what's not. I apologize for the length of my post but hope that clarifies my comment a little bit. --JayHenry (talk) 02:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Becksguys

Is your name because you really love Becks beer, or because you are the sweetheart of someone named Rebbecca? --David Shankbone 05:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

lol It's Becks beer, David. And I was given that nickname. And yes, I really love it, as well as imported German, Czech, and other good beers also. And I don't really think I would be the sweetheart of a Rebbecca. — Becksguy (talk) 05:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

"or because you are the sweetheart of someone named Rebbecca." Is there something you're not telling us? Traitor to the gay cause!! ^__^ AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Funny, APK. I don't kiss and tell.  ;-] — Becksguy (talk) 06:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't want to assume...maybe Robert becomes "Rebecca" on Saturday nights...one never knows. I have an open mind :-) --David Shankbone 06:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

"I yam what I yam, and that's all that I yam," says Popeye the Sailor Man. — Becksguy (talk) 06:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Countries with Yams as a staple food have the highest rates of twin births in the world. --David Shankbone 07:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
In that case, I wish Wentworth Miller (if he's not gay) moves to one of those countries and reproduces so his beautiful DNA can be doubled. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 07:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Tomorrow I will be talking to a rural high school class in Calhan, Colorado about Wikipedia. I think I will direct them to this thread to show what a close intellectual community we have  ;-) --David Shankbone 07:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Just don't direct them to the Sanchez talk page. That will definitely turn them away. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 07:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to direct them to all the places I can find APK's deep, dark Wikipedia secrets - I know where to find them! These kids literally have guns and hunt for food. Very poor. --David Shankbone 07:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Wentworth is adorable. --- Intellectual? Is that what's it's called now? --- Sanchez? OMG! On the other hand, maybe they will love that kind of bashing. Kids can be bloody minded. Interesting, my talk page has seen more action today than in the last month. — Becksguy (talk) 07:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, David. We sit comfortably and talk about the third world, and yet we have parts of America that are all but third world, and have gotten worse. — Becksguy (talk) 07:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

You will be seeing this rural class illustrate the high school article :-) I don't know if they are allowed to bring guns to school or not. --David Shankbone 14:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] my RFA

 Thank you!

Thank you for your support in my RFA. The passed with a final count of (73/3/1), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! :) Aleta Sing 18:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Again Congratulations. I supported you because you deserved to be supported and I trust you to do the right thing, as do many many others. As I said, one of the most telling comments I've heard about you was that people thought you were an admin, as well as all the other complementary stuff. I know you will make an excellent admin, since, in a way, you already were, just without the buttons. And if I can help please don't hesitate to ask, as we are all in this together. I'm getting better at using WP:Huggle on Vandal Patrol, so don't be surprised to see my name pop up reporting vandalism if and when you start working the WP:AIV noticeboard. That noticeboard seems to work very well in my experience, resulting almost all the time in immediate blocks. Peace, regards, and hugs. — Becksguy (talk) 21:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

=) Aleta Sing 01:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Easter

Don't let those cute smiles fool you, these bunnies are dangerous.
Don't let those cute smiles fool you, these bunnies are dangerous.

Sadly, Former First Lady Nancy Reagan has been abducted by the Easter Bunny's evil cousins, Frank and Billy Ray. But don't let that stop you from having a great Easter! Cheers. The one and only ----> AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 07:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Brother?

LOL Aleta Sing 01:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Metaphorically speaking.... LOL — Becksguy (talk) 01:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar pictures?

Hey, I saw your comment at David Shankbone's page. Did you upload the pictures of the barnstars, by any chance? Thanks, Enigma msg! 05:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Easter

David Shankbone has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

[edit] Thank you!

I would like to thank you for your vigilant eye on this edit and your revert. But I just became aware that I did something rather stupid: I filled the edit summary with a surprising قثبثقثرذثس لهدثر, but I did not mean to write any hoke or joke — I did not realize that my keyboard hadn't switched back to Roman. I guess I meant something like “references added” instead (most of the letters seem to correspond to the keyboard's layout: Is there a way to correct this? Thank you forward and excuse me for this. Have a nice day! ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 10:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Church of Google

I made my explanation on the AFD page. If you believe it is wrong, you are more than welcome to take it to Deletion Review. The Placebo Effect (talk) The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

They were not in the article, so they were not counted. If they were good sources, someone should have taken the time to add them to the article. If you think these should be undeleted, please take this to WP:DRV The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
No problem. Nothing happens here if people don't talk. The Placebo Effect (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naval air stations

Hi, I thought you might like to weigh in on my request to change the name of Naval Air Station to Naval air station. (An anon. editor has contested it.)

Also, I posted a couple of questions at the article's talk page that you may perhaps be able to answer. Cgingold (talk) 14:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan

Hi Becksguy, it was good to have you join us on Friday. It would be great if you could put your photos from the upload party online, preferably at Commons:. Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 00:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral.

Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations.

Thank you again, VanTucky

[edit] E.O. Green school shooting and BLP

[2] The problem with this is that it violated WP:BLP - That is a policy and it trumps guidelines - If he provided a source it would be okay WhisperToMe (talk) 04:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Watching

Thanx for putting the list of best selling albums on your watch list, if we keep reverting bad sources eventually these ip adresses will get the message and go looking for good claims. I was thinking of, as an extra insentive, removing the unsourced claims and putting them on the talk page. Ip addresses will go crazy and start looking for good sources to get their favourite album bad on the article. Its an idea anyway. Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 21:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

What is it with these IP users and that article? Thriller is rather well sourced as over 100 million. Yet see this — Becksguy (talk) 15:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Guess they dont like michael jackson or dont believe the figure. But thats not the point, wikipedias job is to record what reliable sources say. If reliable sources such as reuters say 100 million we have no right to dispute it. Its simply not our place. Cheers. Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 15:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Something that you might be interested in contributing to here. Take a lookie. Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 20:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The list is nominated for FL. Great!! --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 16:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orton Plantation

I'm in the middle of writing this article and several others that are related. There are some BEAUTIFUL pix of the house, gardens, chapel, driveway, etc. on flickr. Can I use any of the pix that say "some rights reserved?" APK yada yada 07:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, as long as they do NOT have a dollar sign or equal sign. Those are not allowed in Commons or WP as "no commercial use" and "no derivatives". Look at the two little icons to the left of the "Some rights reserved" phrase. Those are good. For example, here. The upload tool checks all that and verifies that the photo was OK for inclusion at the time of uploading. I read my ass off looking all of the policies and examples on this here, and at commons. Unfortunately far too may wonderful pics can't be used. I'm looking for the best explanation of this I found the other day. Expletive deleted. — PS: Yeah, those photos are BEAUTIFUL. — Becks Talk to me 08:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I found the page here. It is the clearest statement of what's acceptable and what's not. Too bad other places aren't as clear. — Becks Talk to me 08:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec)Ok, thanks. I assume you love the first picture with the trees. Now I have to search through all of those pix and look for the symbols. I should be done in a few months, see you in the Fall! :P APK yada yada 08:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the trees. I downloaded the first picture for my wallpaper rotation. Exactly, why do you think it took me two days to find and upload one photo for the GPI article. The fall sounds reasonable for what you want to do. ;-) Really nice job you are doing on these articles and I hope you are getting nice warm fuzzies from all the work. — Becks Talk to me 09:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I have it as my desktop background and thank you for the compliment. I started working on another NC ghost town article (1), then I noticed it's in a historic district (2) and that another building in the district is a separate registered landmark (3). The township these landmarks are in didn't have an article (4) and the Orton Plantation (5) is in the township. To top that off, while reading a NYT source for the Orton article, I came across this: "On the corner of Fourth and Market Streets is the Temple of Israel, which, built in 1875, is the oldest synagogue in North Carolina." The temple needs an article (6). It will be a busy few days for APK. He only has the township stub completed, but I started two other ones. APK yada yada 09:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Good news. I found a blog with Orton pictures and I e-mailed the blogger. She's going to upload a few pictures. I gave her instructions on how to do it, so I hope she figures it out. APK yada yada 03:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

So does this mean I won't have to wait until this fall for my daily bread APK humor and fun? ;-] Good for you kid. Let me know when they arrive in commons so I can go looksee. — Becks Talk to me 04:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008

New York City Meetup


Next: Sunday June 1st, Columbia University area
Last: 3/16/2008
This box: view • talk • edit

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, elect a board of directors, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wiki Week bonanza, being planned with Columbia University students for September or October.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

Also, check out our regional US Wikimedia chapters blog Wiki Northeast (and we're open to guest posts).
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 23:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for merging my flaggedrevs implementation proposal to the flaggedrevs talk page. Cheers! – Thomas H. Larsen 23:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

It was a pleasure, as it was cogent and useful. Hopefully the continued discussion will bear fruit. — Becksguy (talk) 23:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rollback

Per the sekret cabal meetup communique, you now have rollback. Happy editing. MBisanz talk 02:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for having the confidence in me to grant this. I'll do my best to do right with it. Now I gotta read up on how to use the thing. — Becksguy (talk) 05:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I assumed you already had rollback because we all know Becks is a cool-ass and honest Wikipedian. You should run for admin in the near future. APK yada yada 04:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, buddy. It's appreciated. However, it's far too early to even think of that, as I don't have even close to enough edits, and honestly I don't think I'm ready. — Becks Talk to me 05:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sweet! The machinations of the meetup in action. Enigma message 05:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yup. When I was in the business world, I learned the value of face time, rather than emails and such. Great to meet you. However, there are no cabals. no, really... — Becksguy (talk) 06:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Enigaman, are you the one that sat next to us? I forgot most people's usernames after we left Uno. APK yada yada 07:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
You were at the meetup!? Why don't I know this? Well, in the room on the 13th floor, I was sitting by the side. Guy with baseball cap. Enigma message 07:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I think you might be referring to a NYC meetup. Sorry, I should have been more clear. :-) A nice guy sat next to me and Becks at the DC meetup and I thought it might be you. APK yada yada 08:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Nah, sorry. I've just been to the NYC meetups. Maybe that guy is my hidden clone, though. Enigma message 08:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

So glad Pharos et al posted the attendees because I'm shocking with remembering screen names. Was nice to meet you Sunday, look forward to a future one. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Me too with names, never mind screen names. And a belated congrats on your promotion. Hope you can make the August picnic in Central Park, as I hear last year was a fun filled success (I got cold feet just before the event). — Becksguy (talk) 13:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like it would be fun and I'm looking forward to it. Thanks! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your support

It's appreciated. Enigma message 17:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yu-8 torpedo

I noticed that you added a prod2 tag to this (former) article, saying you had some unusable source for it's existence. I had nominated the article for proposed deletion because I couldn't find any source for the torp's existence at all. Could you point me toward your information? I would be interested in it for non-Wikipedia related material. Thanks, Prodego talk 01:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure, let me see if I can find it again. You were spot on about it's notability regardless. BRB — Becksguy (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Here is one and another. Everything else was either a Wikipedia mirror or for submarine simulation games. The first is a blog, although anyone that knows who Richard P. Feynman is should at least be given a chance. I'm not sure what the second is. There was just enough for me to think the torpedo exists, although I could be wrong. In any case, these refs obviously are not reliable. Simulation games often go to a lot of trouble to simulate real vessels, weapons, and tactics, or what ever they are simulating. My experience is with Train Simulator (MSTS1) and I know how careful train simulators are with being as realistic as possible (they even record the train whistles, track rumbles, and locomotive sounds, as well as use real dimensions, actual track layout data, real horsepower data, real train braking systems data, etc.) But it's just unusable clues really for the torpedo. Hope that helps some. Good hunting. — Becksguy (talk) 01:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Cheers! Prodego talk 02:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)