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[edit] Batclimb cameo

What on earth is the "Batclimb cameo" ? 194.97.166.245 09:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that was a short scene in which Batman and Robin would be scaling a wall in pursuit of the villan, and as they passed a window, someone (often, or maybe always a famous actor or personality), would stick their head out and have a brief conversation with the two heros. As I recall it typically went something like:

Citizen (personality doing the cameo): Batman and Robin!? What are you doing here?

Batman: We're just practicing our wall climbing skills.

Robin: There's nothing to worry about sir, you can go back to bed.

--Badger151 18:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Filming Style

I am shocked that the article does not discuss the filming style with its angled shots, camera movements and overlaid cartoon captions (with matching jazzy musical cues). This seems the most important aspect of the show, on stylistic, technical and cultural grounds. (Cartoon violence, via captions, replaces or hides real violence in the show, angles and vibrant colours highlight the surreal nature of the scenarios, etc.... this could all be paralleled with current political and cultural events in the 60s) OK, maybe fans are interested in episode listings, but this article should ideally also discuss the impact of the show on pop culture (and vice versa). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.237.9.91 (talk) 04:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Batman Season 1 on DVD

When Fox Home Entertainment releases this (hopefully in 2006, for the show's 40th anniversary), I really hope they include the complete West, Ward, and Lyle Wagonner screentests, as can be found at http://www.batfriend.com as well as getting West, Ward, and Lorenzo Semple to do audio commentary for the pilot and other selected episodes.

The screentests have already been released on the Batmania 2-disc set that came out last year. A lot of people consider it to be the "bonus features" for a non-existent box set of the series. From what I hear the odds of this seeing DVD release in the near future are virtually nil due to the fact Fox (which owns the series) and Warner Brothers (which owns the character) can't come to an agreement. 23skidoo 01:59, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for that tip ! I am going to look for that DVD ! I'm surprised there is a problem between Fox and WB. WB didn't hold up Sony's release of the Batman serials. Time-Warner is just greedy...they should give thier cut to West and Ward instead.

[edit] Theme song

Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the theme song for Batman and the song 'Taxman' released by The Beatles released in 1967 on their album Revolver? Is it just me or is there some actual link between the two? - Draven5

I know the song quite well. I see no similarities except the fact "Taxman" and "Batman" are both 2-syllable words. 23skidoo 17:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

That, and the harmonized cries of "Taxman!" are slightly echoic of the "Batman!" chorus. But the songs are highly dissimilar in all other respects. Of course, the whole idea is a real stretch: "Well me and the lads were watchin' Batman on the telly and the theme comes on and we look at each other and says, 'Right!' And I mean there you have it." StarryEyes 17:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruce Lee on the show

I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I've heard that in one episode that had Kato and the Green Hornet fighting Batman and Robin, there was some off-the-set trash-talk by Robin that was directed at Lee. When the actors went onto the set to throw stage punches, Lee went out there and fought for real, injuring Robin. Is there any truth to this? Dariustriplet 02:04, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

No, Burt Ward and Bruce Lee were friends, and trained in Martial Arts together. When the fight in question was to be filmed, Lee decided to play a joke on Ward by acting very angry the entire day. Ward started to get nervous, and when they started filming the fight, Lee acted like he was going to beat Ward for real which caused Ward to go into a panic. Lee then started laughing at Ward revealing that it was just a joke.

The above incident is described in Burt Ward's autobiography. 23skidoo 21:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I saw an episode of Batman where the actors who played Kato (Bruce Lee) and the Green Hornet did catclimb cameos, in character as Kato and the Green Hornet. Asa01 18:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

You're right. The article listing Batman guest stars notes that Batclimb cameo. 23skidoo is right. Ward and Lee were friends. Doczilla 03:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Batman Forever reference

The line is "Holey Rusted Metal, Batman", not "Holey Metal Ground, Batman". Correction made.

[edit] Jumping the shark and other questions

Can we say that the series is widely believed to have 'jumped the shark' with the introduction of Batgirl and the other changes, hence its cancellation?

There's no mention of the story that another network was willing to take over the series, but by that point the Batcave set had been destroyed and the cost of recreating it was a major factor in stopping a final agreement.

If Warner isn't involved in the failure to have a DVD release, what's the problem?

I am hugely amused that the main Batman page calls the TV series 'silly' but manages to give the comics' character's history with a straight face.

81.1.122.74 21:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd personally say that the series jumped the shark two minutes after the first exec at the studio got the idea to make it. But that's just me. --70.121.26.115 05:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parody

I don't believe the show should be classified as "parody". This is very misleading. The IMDb entry lists a whole slew of genres and none of them are comedic - actually, the show seems to accurately reflect the outlandish nature of some of the Golden Age Batman stories. --Jtalledo (talk) 04:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

The show is generally considered a parody, however. This is certainly how Adam West and Burt Ward approached the material. And the show also features liberal amounts of satire as well. 23skidoo 18:55, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aunt Harriet

No mention of the addition of Aunt Harriet to the TV show after having not been in the comic? It's my understanding that she was added to deflect questions that would arise in middle America about a man living alone with his "young" ward. She certainly wasn't added for the "camp" value. --Wrathchild ^(talk) 18:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought she had been in the comic - wasn't she a replacement for Alfred when he was temporarily killed off at the start of the Schwarz era? Timrollpickering 20:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not the first one who's heard this. [1] [2] Can't find a real source for it, though. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 17:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

This history of Batman seems to indicate that Aunt Harriet did originate in the comics. It also says that Bruce Wayne had been married and had a kid. (Boggle!) Though this one claims that Aunt Harriet was added to the comic for much the same reason as I've seen mentioned for the TV show. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 17:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Batman, Batman, Batman!

For me this show will forever be the real Batman. All the recent 1990s and 2000s Batman movies are simply cheap impostors. The very name "Batman" brings to mind this show's catchy theme song, strange plots and hilarious special effects. JIP | Talk 14:37, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Batman jokes and theme

I have twice deleted the following:
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The world over people know the song as:-

DER NER DER NER DER NER DER NER DER NER DER NER DER NER DER NER

BATMAN!- BATMAN!- BATMAN!

This has resulted in the joke, "How does Batman's mother tell him it's time for Dinner"?. "Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, BATMAN!". As the joke has now become widely told and the answer is one of the most known, an alternate response to the joke is "Dinners ready, Batman".
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I feel if we list one joke we have to list them all. And the joke is meaningless unless one is familiar with the theme song melody. We cannot assume this. Consider this a snap poll. Do you support or oppose this being included? I oppose. 23skidoo 14:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I support, we don't have to include all jokes if we include one. If that was true we'd have to mention every single thing that happens in the TV show if we mention some of it.Complete fabracation and nonsence! The wording describes the theme concept very well and then the joke, so one does not have to know it already to understand. It's very well written.

Support, relevant to the pop culture of Batman. 69.204.6.21 22:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I support this too. Important pop culture as this is a well known joke in many countries. I see someone has deleted it without talking on this page, that is vandalism. I have added it back in. 205.188.117.70 15:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I oppose. It looks really rough and does not fit with the tone of the rest of the article, nor with much of Wikipedia. There is a place for this joke, and it is not in the short section about the theme. Chris Griswold 06:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I oppose. I also boldly forged ahead, which seems especially legitimate given that the only "support" votes are anons. I rewrote the "theme song" section, giving it a more encyclopedic tone, and moved it down the page. I wasn't even aware of this vote when I did that, I admit, but I stand by it. StarryEyes 17:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Here's how the section reads after my revision:

The title theme to Batman is one of the best-known theme tunes of all time. Composed by Neal Hefti, the song is built around a minimalistic and foreboding but catchy guitar hook reminiscent of spy film scores and surf music. It is a simple twelve bar blues progression using only three chords until the coda. The lyrics to the theme are sung by a female chorus and comprise ten repetitions of "Batman!" followed by a coda of "Dadadadadadadadadadadadada...Batman!"

The famously minimal song has been widely parodied in the decades since its debut, and remains a prominent pop-culture subject to this day. The theme has been re-recorded by literally dozens of artists, the most notable including Link Wray, The Ventures, The Kinks, The Who, and The Jam. StarryEyes 17:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I like it, with one adjustment: I have edited "literally dozens of artists" to say "countless artists." Chris Griswold 02:17, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...I'm not so sure "countless" is the right word, since I think, conceivably, they could be counted, with the help of the All Music Guide, for instance. Obviously such hyperbole is common in everyday discourse, but I'm not so sure about using it an encyclopedic context. I agree "literally dozens" does sound silly, so I'll change it back to just "dozens". Believe me, I do not want to start an edit war over so trivial a matter, and if you feel really strongly about "countless", by all means change it back. StarryEyes 17:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you can count every recording of the song, even using the Internet. I am sure there have been lots of garage bands who have recorded the theme. Dozens works as well, though. "Literally" just sounded weird. Chris Griswold 02:17, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Support, this interpretation of the song is relevant to Batman & Robin in perspective with pop-culture. Gronkmeister | ^Talk/ _Contrib 15:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Following in the footsteps of another editor earlier today, I have taken a knife to the trivia section, which had become loaded with POV, speculation, unsourced statements, unnecessary information, and information that belongs in the various movie articles. As it stands, I still think the section can be cut by another 1/3 to 1/2 easily. I have added "citation needed" tags to several statements that need sources as well. If no one adds sources for these, I'll delete them at a later date to tighten the section further. 23skidoo 23:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

The plot summary section clearly contains, at several points, the personal opinion of the person writing it about the quality of the show. Phil Sandifer 13:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

One example of this is in the Genesis section where it says Dozier "loathed comic books" and so deliberately gave the show its campy feel. This almost makes it sound like he subconsciously wanted to sabotage the show. At least this claim should be referenced.

[edit] , and very "Saturday morning-esque" in the negative definition of the phrase?

What does that mean? I've removed it, since it doesn't seem to add anything. --Badger151 18:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Campy

There is too much reliance on the word "campy" and the phrase "campy humor" in the article. While this is a traditional description of the show and not inaccurate, it is fairly imprecise, failing to really capture the show's sardonic nature, and it's repetitive.24.165.210.213 20:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gay angle

Is it only me, or does the article look askew as it does not refer to the Batman-Robin gay angle which some people (me included) think is quite evident in the series? elpincha 06:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep. It's only you. Wryspy 06:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a charge that was leveled at the Batman and Robin comic characters in Fredric Wertham's 1954 book, Seduction of the Innocent, and is not exclusive to the TV show.

[edit] Running time

Does anyone know what the running time is without ads? If so, that should be put in the infobox rather than 30 min. --Arctic Gnome 16:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism section

Someone removed the criticism section. The quote I included was referenced (unlike the rest of the article). Why was it deleted? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.59.191.253 (talk) 02:00, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

The link in that section had nothing to do with the claim that was made. The article it leads to does not mention Kane's widow. No source was provided for the claim about the fans. We need to add sources for unsourced claims, not add even more unsourced claims. Doczilla 09:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] removed credits

I removed the credits sections because they don't seem very encyclopedic to me. - furrykef (Talk at me) 06:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Batman's ID as Bruce Wayne

Only villians to deuce Batman's real Identity were Egghead and King Tut.
Only Villians who came close to Batman's real identity were Joker and Penguin. {Joker accidently came across the Batpoles but Alfred the Butler pushed a "Up-down" buttom so many times that the terrifed Joker never realizes the Batpole leads to the Batcave! Likewise Penguin was clever enough to trick Batman to take a "bugged" Penguin umbrella into the Batcave-to use Batman knowledge to plan crimes-yet Penguin doesn't use the "bug" as a tracing device!}
Only superhero to presumedly deduce Batman's Identity was Barbara Gordon aka Batgirl-in the last epsiode when she and Alfred Pennyworth discover the other's secret: Barbara Gordon is Batgirl and "Alfred the Butler" actually is Batman's secret helper. {Although not stated directly, logicaly a smart person such as Barbara Gordon could deduce that Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson are Batman and Robin by 1) Alfred the Butler is totally faithful to being a servant to Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson; 2) Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson are about the right age and size as Batman and Robin; 3) Only a billionaire would have enough capital for expensive crime figthing gadgets such as the Batmobile and Bat Computer}.

I always thought Catwoman knew —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 19:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

On this same train of thought, in the comic books,Catwoman has kissed both Batman and Bruce wayne (she might even have slept with Bruce) so like the movie version of Mary Jane Watson, shouldn't she know?Bernard ferrell (talk) 18:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More? Batman

How poupuler was Batman in the 1960`s ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.43.142 (talk) 23:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Theme song confusion

The section about the theme song could do with some work. At the moment it says that "the lyrics to the theme consist of ten cries of 'Batman!', which were originally thought to be sung by a female chorus; however, Adam West's book 'Back to the Batcave' reveals the 'voices' to actually be instrumental, rather than vocal" - this baffles me, and I imagine it will baffle other people as well. "Originally thought" by who? The next sentence implies that there were two versions of the theme tune, the first an instrumental and the second a vocal re-recording, but it's not clear. -Ashley Pomeroy 20:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Onomatopoeia

I did an edit on the article that references the use of onomatopoeia in the fight scenes. But it was changed due to "reads like excerpt from Barbarella, into something rich and strange". I think it is worth noting since the article on Onomatopoeia has the Batman TV show referenced. Am I the only one that doesn't understand why this is removed? If this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, I would think that the incorporation of it would only make the article better. DrkBlueXG 08:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] King Tut Information

I want to point out that the information that keeps getting listed for the King Tut character, and how he is restored to normal, is incorrect. Someone keeps posting that the change takes place whenever he hears a bell ring. This is not correct. I have watched every episode of the show, many many times, and that simply never happened, at all.

The correct information is that another blow to the head restores him to normal. I have corrected this today, and it is the second time I have been here and have had to do so, but someone keeps changing it back to the bell-ringing. Please be advised that this is utterly untrue, it was ONLY the blows to the head that caused the change, and leave that information alone going forward. Thank you!

Dpeattie 16:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)David Peattie

It seems strange that King Tut is the only villain who recieves any expostion in the article (the others get no more than their names listed.) I wonder if this information should be removed, just for the sake of consistency. The villains each have their own articles, if the reader wants to learn more. --Tjonp 18:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Episodes?

Why isn't there a list of the episodes of the show?

[edit] Mayor of Gotham City

The article states that the mayor was Mayor Ridgley. I could swear it was Mayor Lin-seed (or something like that)....a closer parady to Mayor Lindsey of New York. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 214.3.40.3 (talk) 13:27, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seat belts

seat belts may have become mandatory for car manufacturers to put in cars in 1968 but wearing them didn't become a widespread law until the 80s or 90s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 19:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Decline of Season Two

There have been a few theories as to why the show declined in Season Two and speaking for myself as a viewer and fan, I think the writer of this article, and the show's producers, failed to take into account that the villains were simply not very interesting. The actors who portrayed them did what they could but how can one get excited over characters like The Archer, The Puzzler, King Tut and The Sandman? The departure of Frank Gorshin as The Riddler (who was played this season by John Astin) certainly didn't help. Batman's "Top Three"" villains returned but they couldn't be expected to carry the series alone, especially since they had dominated Season One. Cliff (Shame) Robertson and Vincent (Egghead) Price had exciting scripts to back up their characters but they were the exception. Along with a decrease in production values,this same problem would plague Season Three. Batman had (and still does) a huge Rogues Gallery and rather than fully exploit it, the series' producers continued to crank out their own thinking erroneously that any old villain would suffice. This is just my theory but I think other fans of the show (and of Batman) would concur.Bernard ferrell (talk) 18:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Episode List

SEASON ONE: HEY DIDDLE RIDDLE\SMACK IN THE MIDDLE; THE FINE FEATHERED FINKS\THE PENGUIN'S A JINX; THE JOKER IS WILD\BATMAN GET'S RILED (Loosely Based on "The Joker's Utility Belt" By David Vern Reed); INSTANT FREEZE\RATS LIKE CHEESE; ZELDA THE GREAT\A DEATH WORSE THAN FATE; A RIDDLE A DAY KEEPS THE RIDDLER AWAY\ WHEN THE RAT'S AWAY THE MICE WILL PLAY; THE THIRTEENTH HAT\BATMAN STANDS PAT; THE JOKER GOES TO SCHOOL\HE MEETS HIS MATCH, THE GRISLY GHOUL; TRUE OR FALSE FACE\SUPER RAT RACE; THE PURR-FECT CRIME\BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME; THE PENGUIN GOES STRAIGHT\NOT YET, HE AIN'T; THE RING OF WAX\GIVE 'EM THE AXE; THE JOKER TRUMPS AN ACE\BATMAN SETS THE PACE; THE CURSE OF TUT\THE PHAROAH'S IN A RUT; THE BOOKWORM TURNS\WHILE GOTHAM CITY BURNS; DEATH IN SLOW MOTION\THE RIDDLER'S FALSE NOTION; FINE FINNY FIENDS\BATMAN MAKES THE SCENE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernard ferrell (talk • contribs) 17:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Season Two: Shoot a Crooked Arrow\Walk in the Straight and Narrow; Hot Off the Griddle\The Cat and The Fiddle; The Minstrel's Shakedown\Barbequed Batman; The Spell of Tut\Tut's Case is Shut; The Greatest Mother of Them All\Ma Parker; The Clock King's Crazy Crimes\The Clock King Gets Crowned; (Written by Bill Finger and Charles Sinclair); An Egge Grows in Gotham\The Yegg Foes in Gotham; The Devil's Fingers\Dead Ringer's; Hizzoner the Penguin\Dizzoner the Penguin; Green Ice\Deep Freeze; The Impractical Joker\The Joker's Provokers; Marsha, Queen of Diamonds\Marsha's Scheme of Diamonds; Come Back Shame\It's The Way You Play The Game; The Penguin's Nest\The Bird's Last Jest; The Cat's Meow\The Bat's Kow Tow; The Puzzles Are Coming\The Duo Is Slumming; The Sandman Cometh\The Catwoman Goeth; The Contaminated Cowl\Mad Hatter Runs Afoul; Three Parter: The Zodiac Crimes\The Joker's Hard Times\ The Penguin Declines; That Darn Catwoman\Scat Darn Catwoman; Three Parter: Penguin Is a Girl's Best Friend\Penguin Sets a Trend Penguin's Disastrous End; Batman's Anniversary\A Riddling Controversy; The Joker's Last Laugh\The Joker's Epitaph; Catwoman Goes To College\Batman Displays His Knowledge; A Piece of The Action\Batman's Satisfaction (Guest Starring The Green Hornet and Kato (Bruce Lee)); King Tut Coup\Batman's Waterloo; Black Widow Strikes Again\Caught in The Spider's Den; Pop Goes The Joker\Flop Goes The Joker; Ice Spy\The Duo Defy;

Season Three: Enter Batgirl,Exit Penguin; Ring Around The Riddler; The Wail of the Siren; The Sport of Penguins\A Horse of Another Color; The Unkindest Tut of All; Louie The Lilac; The Ogg and I\How To Hatch a Dinosaur; Surf's Up! Joker's Under; Three Parter: The Londinium Larcenies\The Foggiest Notion The Bloody Tower; Catwoman's Dressed to Kill; The Ogg Couple; Funny Feline Felonies\The Joke's on Catwoman; Louie's Lethal Lilac Time; Nora Clavicle and Her Ladies' Crime Club; Penguin's Clean Sweep; The Great Escape\The Great Train Robbery; I'll Be a Mummy's Uncle; The Joker's Flying Saucer; The Entrancing Dr. Cassandra; Minerva, Mayhem and Millionaires

[edit] Kane's Opinion

I recently obtained an old issue of FILMFAX discussing the Tim Burton film and general Batman info. I think it was Bill Dozier or someone else connected with the show that said Kane wasn't too happy about the campy approach. Kane repeated this in his autobio but conceded that the show might not have been as popular as it was if it had been treated seriously. In the documentary section of THE NEW ADVENTURES OF BATMAN, according to the producer, Kane wasn't too enthusiastic about that version either. "I don't know what he was chewing on, but he (Kane) was so sullen you'd think he really was Batman!" Kane also expressed bewilderment over Frank Miller's use of the swastika (Kane was Jewish) on a woman's buttocks in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS storyline.Kane had nothing but praise about the Tim Burton film. Bernard ferrell (talk) 15:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)