User talk:Awiseman/Archive/May2007

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Contents 1 Fashion 2 Your Werdnabot problem 3 User:216.227.242.241 4 Pirate project 5 My Talk Page 6 Ataturk and Kurds 7 Welcome! 8 Piracy Wikiproject 9 1925, ethnic names in Turkey 10 WikiProject Piracy launched 11 AIV report 12 Re: Uncharted Waters 13 la:Pong cervisiale 14 WikiProject Tennessee 15 substing 16 Question 17 Anagrams 18 Braveheart Edits 19 Georgetown University 19.1 Re:User talk:67.101.243.74

[edit] Fashion

hi Awiseman, I am new here. I wasn't intended to spam. I love fashion and there aren’t many sites on the net that provide reliable articles about fashion.

Regarding Academy Award, I agree that link I have added wasn’t relevant. I am still learning…

Thanks Julia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Julia14 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Your Werdnabot problem

I suggest that you edit your Werdnabot invocation and remove the hyphens in the file names. Also move the files from their present names (which you can reach by clicking on the blue links in the edit summaries in your revision history) to names without the hyphens. By the way, Werdnabot does not create pointers to archive files (other than the current one). You have to do that yourself. JRSpriggs 05:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks --AW 15:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:216.227.242.241

Well, I added the anonblock template, which ought to provide instructions to any innocent person blocked, and I turned off "block account creation". It might be worth emailing someone, but I'm not sure what the procedures for that are. --Delirium 20:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pirate project

Andrew, thanks so much for the invite. I don't know what to say yet; I'm awfully new at all this. Could you give me a better idea of what hosting the project would entail?

Incidentally, is this the right way to use the talk pages? I know if I answer you here on your talk page, you'll know it as soon as you log on, but answering on my own talk page wouldn't split up the dialogue so much.

Subsequent addition Arrrr! I didn't read your first message carefully enough. I looked at the Polynesian example you gave me and yes, that looks like something I could handle. I may need some pointers on the initial setup, and I'll get back to you on that.

--Pirate Dan 03:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Talk Page

Thank you for taking your time to welcome me into Wikipedia. I have been here for a few years , so I know the rules. I have just never created an account. I would just like to inquire as to why you decided to take it upon youself to give me the Wiki-guide lines and such. Please respond in my talk page, and please do not remove the archives. 67.162.76.82 01:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC) i.e. Why did you put this on my talk page?

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Is there a question here? John Reaves (talk) 01:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think he's asking me why I gave him a welcome message on his talk page. It's because he's an IP user, I used the template suggesting he get a user name. --AW 17:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ataturk and Kurds

AW, the article is about Ataturks life in a factual historical context. It is about the things he had done in his life. Not about what Kurds think of him.

Let's take Coca-Cola for example, a completely benign subject. If someone said "Pepsi lover's critique Coke for being too acidic" (source:Pepsi lovers magazine)" would you consider that part of the history of Coke or part of the history of Pepsi lovers? It certainly is an opinion, that could only be the history of a Pepsi lover because Coke has nothing to with their taste or aspirations of how a cola should be. (sorry for the silly analogy but you get the point I hope). Furthermore, this maybe a fact (it's a fact that someone had this critique of coke), but it's not an historical event, a historical fact, nor is it NPOV.

Now if you apply this to Kurdish "criticizms", then you would get the same outcome. It's all a matter of taste. And there a millions critiques of Ataturks out there, some being offensive to Kurds. Shall we include those as well?

Not to mention, which Kurds criticized? When did they do this? How many are there? What are their credentials? So you also have a credibility problem here.

Moreover, your sources can't possibly speak for all Kurds. I would be surprised if you could dispute that FACT.

Finally, it is inflammatory and controversial. Yet, you seem to want it in there really badly for some reason which would lead people to "criticize" you, and come to the conclusion you are not working with the best of intentions here. Correct me if I am wrong. --Oguz1 18:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oguz, this isn't Make-Everybody-Happy-Apedia. Some of these articles, on all kinds of topics, have arguments for and against something. As long as it's balanced, it's fine to include. The fact that somebody thinks something is inflammatory is no reason not to keep something in. And I would argue those criticisms aren't inflammatory anyway. People disagree all the time!

And in any case, that section has historical facts. It says there were Kurdish revolts. I think you're only disagreeing with the frsit sentence, "Kurds criticize Atatürk for disregarding their cultural distinctions in pursuing a Turkish national identity." Amd I right? --AW 19:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the critique. However this one: "On 8 December 1925, the Turkish Ministry of Education issued an order banning the use of ethnic terms such as Kurd, Circassian, Laz, Kurdistan and Lazistan." is not sourced. Should find a source and also explain that the Minister of Education's ban only applies to Public Schools. Something like "On 8 December 1925, the Turkish Ministry of Education issued an order banning the use of ethnic terms such as Kurd, Circassian, Laz, Kurdistan and Lazistan in public school curricula". That'll keep it short and save me from inserting counter-claims and explnations. Sound good? --Oguz1 19:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You're allowed to insert whatever you want to insert. I didn't write that section, for about the 10th time. I assume that next source has that info in it too --AW 19:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

Thanks! --AW 22:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Piracy Wikiproject

Hi, Andrew, I'm working on preparing the WikiProject Piracy page. I haven't opened it yet, as I want to get everything ready before launching this ship. How do you think the below would work as a project banner?

--Pirate Dan 05:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yo ho! This article lies in the latitude of the Piracy WikiProject, a crew bound to sharpen Wikipedia's coverage of seafaring piracy. If you want to ship with us, lay aboard the project page, where you can take your berth and see a list of tasks that need doing.

[edit] 1925, ethnic names in Turkey

Hi,

Here is the source:

Andrew Mango, Atatürk and the Kurds, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 35, No. 4, October 1999, pp.1-25.

The paragraph about banning ethnic names is on page 20:

On 8 December 1925, the Ministry of Education issued a circular banning the use of such divisive terms as Kurd, Circassian and Laz, Kurdistan and Lazistan. Heja Helweda 04:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks --AW 17:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Piracy launched

Hi ANdrew. I launched the project page, it's Wikipedia:WikiProject Piracy. Your corrections and assistance would be most welcome. --Pirate Dan 17:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] AIV report

Thank you for making a report about 86.152.49.202 (talk · contribs · block log) on Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Wikipedia and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators are generally only able to block users if they have received a recent final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) and they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize even after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. Thank you! TomTheHand 17:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, i know, but I figured since they replaced the picture with porn, it could merit it --AW 17:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Uncharted Waters

AW, it's both impossible and needless to cite a source to state that "'Leon' is not a common Portuguese name". You just have to know Portuguese or Portugal to know that. Do you need sources to say that "Pedro" is not a common English name? --Pedro Aguiar 04:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

US Department of Social Security counts up the most popular baby names each year going back to like 1900... ==Stlemur 04:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Pedro, do you have sources saying "Leon is not a common Portuguese name"? It's as simple as that. And anyway, saying "you have to know Portuguese or Portugal to know that" is hardly encyclopedic. Wikipedia:Attribution says "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a publisher of original thought. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." --AW 14:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] la:Pong cervisiale

Hey man, thanks for your support of the Latin beer Pong! I confess, the real reason I did it is because no other language had attempted a version. I was looking at the article and chuckling, and I thought, "I wonder what they have to say about this at :it or :es?". I saw nobody else had tried it and thought that it would be awesome to have :la be the first and only version other than :en. It's just comical...beer pong...in Latin! =] Cheers. --Ioshus^(talk) 20:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Btw, I don't live in DC, but I work there. I saw you created 18th street here, so I figured I'd say, I work (teaching middle school algebra and latin) at about Georgia and Military/Missouri.--Ioshus^(talk) 20:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bugging you, but I just saw you're a United fan, too. Awesome first half yesterday, miraculous tying shot in the 90+. You see it live or on TV? It was pretty funny on TV, because 30 seconds before Emilio's goal, the commentator was talking about how "I never met a Brazilian who preferred the ball at their instead of at their feet."--Ioshus^(talk) 20:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed about beer pong! And unfortunately I missed the United game because I saw GW get clobbered in the NCAA tourney! Emilio is looking great though --AW 21:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Tennessee

Hi! Thanks for the invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennessee, but no thanks... I predict that I will continue to contribute to Tennessee articles and I will be happy to discuss Tennessee topics with other Wikipedians, as my time permits, but I am not inclined to be a "joiner" around Wikipedia. --orlady 02:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough! --AW 20:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] substing

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:uw-test1}} instead of {{uw-test1}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. ST47Talk 12:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

ok. --AW 13:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I have joined WikiProject Tennessee, and have started stub articles on buildings and communities in East Tennessee. My question regards referencing sources for my articles. I am the only source for the Mabry Hood House article - I cannot find anything online about it. I hated to see an old ante-bellum home get torn down, and not have any history online - so I wrote what I recalled from driving by it on multiple occasions. Will this be deleted due to a lack of sources? An architect who lived in Tennessee should be a credible source for an article on a historic home - unless the lack of a link is going to get it deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baxterguy (talk • contribs)

Hi Baxterguy. Thanks for joining and starting those articles. While I'm sure you know about the building, you do need a reliable outside source, like a website or even a pamphlet or interview with somebody. Maybe you can talk to someone there or with the East TN Historical Society? I found this bibliography, that might help, or maybe some more general book about east TN history. Here are Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources - Wikipedia:Attribution#Reliable_sources. However, if we're lucky, the article will stay up for long enough to add some sources. --AW 22:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. As an architect born in Tennessee, I am a credible source. However, I prefer not to log my college transcript under the reference section of the post. I will look for a credible reference on that ante bellum home - maybe the highway engineer's bulldozer operator took some pics for sentimental purposes before tearing it down? I'm a rookie at this, so hopefully I can get some input from others as I stumble through the Wiki learning curve. --Baxterguy 13:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Baxterguy. This discussion helps explain to me why I was not previously aware of the existence of the Mabry Hood House. I would think that TDOT (in Nashville) and/or the Tennessee Historical Commission (also in Nashville) would have documentation of an historically and/or architecturally significant house that was torn down to make way for a state-funded road. I think that the original part of Pellissippi Parkway was built after the National Historic Preservation Act was in effect (that was in place when I first moved to this area, so I'm not sure when it was built, and I can't find the info on the web) and I know that the segment from I-40 to Alcoa Highway was subject to the NHPA (because I lived here then), so there should have been documentation requirements. (When was the house torn down?)--orlady 13:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The house was still standing in the early 1980's. It was not occupied, but there was a trailer to the west of it for years. I assumed someone was doing a slow renovation, based on the trailer. (The house sat several lots west of Cokesbury Methodist, on the same side of the pike.) I remember being disturbed when I found out about the route for the parkway. I have found a topo map online that shows the old Mabry Hood Road, with a black dot where the plantation house would have stood. The link is: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=35.9077&lon=-84.11824&datum=nad27&u=4&layer=DRG&size=m&s=48 I may call the other Mabry House in Knoxville (now a museum), and see if they know anything. It was a traditional, 2-story brick southern home, except for the wood siding behind the front porch (which looked odd to me). It was not as grand as most (probably a good example of the antebellum homes on the upper Mississippi that Mark Twain made fun of in "Life on the Mississippi"). And it sat closer to grade than Baker Peters - but the elevation of Kingston Pike could have been raised since it was constructed. Thanks for the advice on leads. --Baxterguy 17:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anagrams

Yes, well, I learned something along the way, too...! --Macrakis 22:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC) Oops, that was meant for User:WAvegetarian. --Macrakis 22:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Braveheart Edits

I wanted to point out that Brian Cox was actually in the film; you had removed his name from the cast, i think. As well, you removed the Historical inaccuracy section en toto. I was actually waiting for the various inaccuracies (seen on the Discussion page) to be cited. The ones on the page have been, and will converted from bullet pointed text to prose, once a fair time has passed for citation of the remaining supposed inaccuracies. Arcayne 18:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok. An anon added it and I didn't recognize the name, so I assumed it was vandalism. --AW 20:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Georgetown University

[edit] Re:User talk:67.101.243.74

I am, in fact, cognizant of the guidelines. A trivia section is to be avoided because "as articles grow, these lists become increasingly disorganized and difficult to read." The list for my alma mater is neither long nor difficult to read.

Furthermore, the guidance in the Avoid trivia sections guidelines is: "Whenever you see a 'trivia section,' take a look at each fact and consider how you might integrate it into the larger text, whether by inserting it into a section, adding a new section, or creating a more targeted list of closely-related items...don't simply remove it, but seek to minimize it.

It concludes with: "Once a trivia section is empty, it should be removed, but where such a section is re-added with new content, the integration process should begin again."

The information included in the list is interesting, relevant, and inobtrusive. You should engage in discussion seeking consensus to remove an entire section from an article. If you can better the article, integrate information, or be constructive, by all means, continue to do so. 67.101.243.74 22:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

One of the main rules of Wikipedia is be bold, which is what I was doing. Both myself and User:Patrickneil integrated most of the useful trivia, not just erase it - the section "Quadrangles" has the part about George Washington. The part about John Carroll is really not that important to the article, and it's in his article already. And the part about six shirts is meaningless and does nothing for the article. It's merely an interesting factoid which has nothing to do with anything else. --AW 13:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)