Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Heether

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Meets WP:ATHLETE (professional league) standard, and more stringent WP:BASEBALL (minor league all-star) standard. Sourcing seems adequate and reliable. No other reasons for deletion given. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Heether

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Non-notable baseball player. Fails notability requirements at WP:BASEBALL, in that he has not played a game in Major League Baseball, has not played a full season in the minors at the AAA level (he's just been promoted to AAA at this writing), hasn't won any big minor-league awards and hasn't been named to a noted minor league all-star team. He may be notable at the end of this season if he lasts the whole year at AAA, or sooner if he gets called up to the big leagues, but he isn't now. The guidelines are very specific, and Heether does not yet meet any of the applicable criteria. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 19:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Delete, for the above reasons, exactly why I originally nominated for speedy deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 19:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Keep, He has received coverange independent of the source. Also, he HAS been named to a minor league all-star team. He was named to the 2005 Florida State League All-Star team. He was also named the Southern League batter of the week twice in 2007. [1] -NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment, Be aware the the "notability requirements" at WP:BASEBALL are part of a guideline or suggestion, not a stringent requirement. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
True, but they are widely applied to all articles about baseball players. Wish you had posted something about the Folorida State League all-star team, as that may have kept me from nominating him. It's still borderline, though, so I'll let this discussion run its course. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 21:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Of course there aren't any GNews results for him if you use his middle name; that's not the name he commonly uses. There aren't too many results for "Manuel Aristides (Onelcida) Ramirez" either, but that doesn't mean that Manny Ramirez isn't notable. If you just look for "Adam Heether" + baseball, you get 130+ news mentions of him, and that doesn't include sources that aren't indexed by GNews (like Baseball America, or the various annual prospect handbooks). -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - He does meet the first bullet at WP:ATHLETE: Competitors and coaches who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis. He has been playing in fully pro leagues for five years. Also, try that search again, but leave out his middle name: [11]. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 03:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep: Third party coverage, plays in a professional league, minor league all-star - is there some requirement for notability he's not meeting? I can't understand why this was even nominated for deletion. Kinston eagle (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment: The all-star team award wasn't a part of the article and wasn't made known until after the nomination - see my remarks above regarding that. Having said that, all minor league players play in fully-professional leagues (with the possible of some independent leagues outside of the official MLB farm system), and I don't think anyone believes that all minor leaguers are notable. While WP:BASEBALL is not an official policy per se, it is a widely-followed guideline as to the specific notability of baseball players, and it is is more specific and more restrictive than WP:ATHLETE. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 18:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - This person has not received any notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them; he has not made any widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in the minors. Or is every minor league ball player notable if he makes an all star team in Florida? Triple3D (talk) 19:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment The standard for WP:BIO requires that a person has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject, and Heether meets that standard. The standard for WP:ATHLETE requires that a person has played in a professional league which Heether has done. One of the standards for notability by WP:BASEBALL standards is selection to a minor league all star team. He has met that. He meets the standards as they are written. If you have a problem with the standards, work to get them changed. Until they are, this article has met all existing standards. Kinston eagle (talk) 12:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.