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[edit] The BusBank

Hey, just wondering how 2 pages got deleted. In the past someone created a page called "BusBank" for the charter bus service company. The correct spelling of the company is "The BusBank." While I am new to Wikipedia page creation, I understood that a redirect had to be made in order to bring people from the Google results to the proper page. Also, I added the company logo and a pic of buses to The BusBank's page. Call it first timers stupidity or whatever, but I would like to have the page restored minus any edits that you feel was against Wikipedia's guidelines. Thank you and look forward to hearing from you. User:Thebusbank

The article made no assertion of notability. —Cryptic 17:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I guess I do not know the fine line between notability and promotion. The BusBank has the largest Charter Bus network in North America (larger than Greyhound's fleet) also was highly applauded by newspapers for its evacuation relief efforts in hurricane's Katrina and Rita, the story regarding that effort was linked on the page also. I would only like to have "BusBank" old page restored to read "The BusBank" Please let me know if this is possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thebusbank (talk • contribs) 17:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

If the article had actually said that, it wouldn't have been deleted. Can you provide a independent reference to back this up? (The external link in the article was to one of the company's own press releases.) —Cryptic 17:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Cryptic- Yes it was a press release, but it was previously on Wikipedia, under "BusBank" so obviously it was deemed appropriate content since that page was active for almost a year. The page only got deleted when I redirected it to "The BusBank" Please let me know your thoughts —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thebusbank (talk • contribs) 17:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

All that shows is that no one noticed it earlier. Wikipedia:Verifiability is a core, non-negotiable content policy; I don't see anything in a casual google except reprints of company press releases, which do not constitute reliable sources. If your company is indeed larger than Greyhound Lines, it should be trivial to provide third-party verification. —Cryptic 17:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Can the page be reinstated as a stub? Much like coach USA without the press release? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thebusbank (talk • contribs) 18:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I won't overrule another administrator's deletion (it was Brookie who deleted the article, not me) without third-party verification. I'll have time later today to look through the search results more carefully if you can't or won't provide it before then. —Cryptic 18:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help Cryptic, I have attached a link that explains that The BusBank recieved the United Motorcoach Association's Vision Award and a link explaining that it is given to the "best and brightest companies" in the industry. The BusBank is the first non-operator to recieve this award. I hope this gives enough 3rd party evidence and I would like to link these sites once/if The BusBank page becomes available once again. Thanks again.

http://www.uma.org/

http://www.trailways.com/download.asp?fl=%2Fpdf%2FTraveler_2003.pdf

http://www.busbank.com/visionAward.aspx —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thebusbank (talk • contribs) 19:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Searching "busbank chicago-tribune" or "busbank houston-chronicle" seems to generate some possible third-party sources that could be considered, although I can't find any article *about* them, they always seem to be the sideline. Orderinchaos78 ^(t|c) 04:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

(via edit conflict) The only mention of your company that I can find on uma.org is this directory-style entry. The pdf appears to be Trailways Transportation System's yearly company newsletter, and has a brief mention of you buried on page 16.

On the other hand, here's what I found on my own, buried amongst a great many verbatim reprinted company press releases, advertisements, and directory listings.

• Kaiser, Rob. "Angels scarce, but still hovering" (Fee required), Chicago Tribune, 2002-11-11, p. 3. Retrieved on 2006-11-16.  (A reprint of the full text is available here.) This clearly states that BusBank owns no vehicles, but is instead a travel broker, in comparison to both your misleading assertion above that you have a larger fleet than Greyhound and the image caption "One of the 60,000+ buses in The BusBank's fleet" in the deleted article.
• Warrick, Joby. "System makes storm cleanup cost more", The News & Observer, 2006-03-21. Retrieved on 2006-11-16.  This contains the only material I could find in regards to your company's role in the Hurricane Katrina evacuation. It's a passing mention in an article about the amount of waste inherent in the contractor-subcontractor-subcontractor system.

But this doesn't seem to be what your company is primarily known for. I've found a great deal of information about a certain bus accident, which, as documented in our Hurricane Rita article, killed 23 nursing home patients; curiously, no mention is made of this in the deleted article at all. A bare handful of the stories I found:

• Johnson, Kevin. "Ill-fated Charter Bus Had Expired Registration" (Reprint), USA Today, 2005-09-25. Retrieved on 2006-11-16. 
• Jordan, Jaime S.. "Suit filed in deadly bus fire", Dallas Business Journal, 2005-10-03. Retrieved on 2006-11-16. 
• Geller, Marc B.. "Pharr firm caught in legal mess", The Monitor, 2005-10-05. Retrieved on 2006-11-16. 
• Brubaker, Bill. "Numerous Violations Alleged in Bus Fire", The Washington Post, 2005-10-18. Retrieved on 2006-11-16. 
• Brubaker, Bill. "Interviews tell of desperate, chaotic scene", The News & Observer, 2006-02-17. Retrieved on 2006-11-16. 
• Associated Press. "Rita bus fire victims reach $11 million settlement", ABC News, 2006-05-12. Retrieved on 2006-11-16. 
• Grabell, Michael; and Reddy, Sudeep. "Officials: Fatal bus fire points out lack of data", The Dallas Morning News, 2006-08-09. Retrieved on 2006-11-16. 
• Government Faulted for Unsafe Buses. National Safety Commission (2006-08-18). Retrieved on 2006-11-16.
• Associated Press (2006-10-03). Split Verdict In Hurricane Rita Case. CBS News. Retrieved on 2006-11-16.
• Associated Press. "Bus Operator Is Convicted of Conspiracy in Explosion", The New York Times, 2006-10-03. Retrieved on 2006-11-16. 

The BusBank, barely, would appear to meet our notability guidelines, if you can construe the Chicago Tribune article as being primarily about this company instead of mentioning it as a handy example. It's a borderline case, and I'd vote to delete it if it were formally nominated for deletion. I'm thus not going to take any action with regards to the article. If you still want it undeleted, you can try asking the deleting administrator; if he refuses also, you can make a formal listing on our deletion review page. If restored, however, I can assure you that the final article will bear very little resemblence to the hagiography that was speedy-deleted earlier today. —Cryptic 04:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Cryptic, I'm glad that Wikipedia thinks that the Expedia of the Charter Bus Industry is not important enough and gets deleted hours after an edit, but Harold's Chicken Shack has a Wikipedia page that is fact-filled, enlightening and verifiable. Would it be possible to remove this post or move it to my profile's talk page in case i have further questions. Thanks