User talk:Trödel

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Back with reduced editing

Contents
Talk page
RFA notices
Archive

[edit] Ile-de-France

Hi Trödel. User:ThePromenader is back again leading his revert crusade. The Île-de-France article has been recently unlocked and only a few days later Promenader couldn't resist deleting a sentence about the metropolitan area of Paris ([1]), even though the sentence is backed by a source. He's also trying to rally people to support him (see User talk:ThePromenader#Other occupations?). It would be good if you could have a look at Talk:Île-de-France (region)#Here we go again. and give some input there. Thanks. Hardouin 12:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hardouin's only contributions these days is reverting my edits - so look there for the "crusade". Read the article talk page if you like, but this issue is closed. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 12:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Church of Jesus Christ (Not Bickertonite)

Interested parties who voiced opinions on this in the past, read all about it - the raging debate on moving the article on the Church of Jesus Christ (a.k.a. Bickertonite, or not) has flared up again, at Talk:The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ#Requested_move.2C_take_two. Come back for more fun and games if you care to - thanks for playing... - Reaverdrop (talk/nl) 05:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{sq m}}

Trödel,

I've nominated {{sq m}} for deletion again. I have replaced it on the following pages with {{ft2 to m2}} which seems to be working fine.

If you find any problem with the replacement template, I'd be glad to fix it. Jɪmp 04:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to look into how the pre-expand size can be trimmed so that {{ft2 to m2}} doesn't break when used dozens of times on a page. With any luck this can be done without sacrificing the newly added features (I think it can be but the range over which they'd work may have to be reduced—never fear: currently it's absurdly huge). As for giving "at least 2 significant digits ..., match[ing] the significant digits on the input, but never go[ing] to a decimal." Yeah, that's doable. A maximim precision feature could be added without too much increase in pre-expand size which could be used in conjunction with the current precision matching (which is slightly different to significant figure matching) which does now return a minimum of two sig figs. Jɪmp 21:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Do forgive my taking such a while to get back to you. I've had a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Temples ... a very interesting system you've got going. I've been working on {{ft2 to m2}} and seem to have got it back down to a reasonable size. I seem to have managed to shrink it without reduction of features so it still matches the precision of the output to that of the input with a minimum of two significant figures. By "precision matching" I mean rounding the output to the nearest 10n-1 m² given an input precise to the nearest 10n sq ft, the factor of ten being due to the fact that 10 sq ft ≈ 1 m². I've also added a parameter, max precision, which, if set to zero, will make it such that the output will always be an interger. I've added this new version to {{LDS Temple list‎}}. I checked List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints‎ and found no problem (the pre-expand size did go up about 5% ... but perhaps you'll allow me that in exchange for eliminating false precision). Please, have a look and tell me what you think if you get the chance. Jɪmp 01:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Thx for the note note - no problem on taking a long time to respond - I generally only check a few times a week - so I am the master of slow response :) And especially since {{ft2 to m2}} is now so much better than sq m in its functionality and does everything I wanted sq m to do - who can complain - thx for the work you did on that template.
I'll delete the template (and num commas referred to below) --Trödel 15:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Is there any advantage of using {{num commas}} as opposed to {{formatnum:}}? Jɪmp 03:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
nope - only made that template because I didn't know about the {{formatnum:}} --Trödel 15:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
For acres to hectares there is {{AcreAndHectare}}. For feet to metres there is {{ft to m}}. {{AcreAndHectare}} would need to be upgraded before I'd recommend it (it lacks most of the usual options e.g. you can't can't turn the linking off). {{ft to m}}, as it currently stands, looks like it'll blow your budget: I've just tested a conversion of 100 feet in the sandbox and found a pre-expand include size of 6235 bytes. Neither of these templates include the precision-matching feature which {{ft2 to m2}} has. {{AcreAndHectare}} could probably be brought up to speed without great difficulty. Upgrading {{ft to m}} whilst at the same time cutting back on the pre-expand include size would be more of a task but not, I believe, an impossible one. Jɪmp 17:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and upgraded {{ft to m}} to include the features I'd added to {{ft2 to m2}}. I managed to reduce its pre-expand size for a single numerical input. I tested it out on {{LDS Temple list‎}}. It did work: the pre-expand size of List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints‎ was still within the 2 MB limit. However, it was getting tight at about 1.9 MB (compared to ~1.7 MB before adding the revised {{ft to m}}). Whether or not there'd be room for an upgraded {{AcreAndHectare}} was looking kind of 50-50. So I thought I'd try a completely new approach. I internalised the whole operation using subtemplates which do only what's wanted and only when it's wanted thus by-passing all the options and extras you get with the more general templates. I seem to have managed to cut the pre-expand size of List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints‎ down to about 1.1 MB whilst keeping those features of {{ft to m}} and {{ft2 to m2}} which we wanted. The precision of the floor area and height converted to (square) metres is still matched to the original value in (square) feet unless this gives us only one significant figure in which case the conversion goes to two significant figures, all this with the exception that we never go decimal. For site area conversions, however, I took a different approach following {{ac-ha}} I had it such that it would round to one decimal place for anything under 50 acres & to the nearest interger otherwise. However, considering that there are such small sites as those in Caracas, Venezuela; Fukuoka, Japan; and Hong Kong, China, perhaps we could go down another decimal point for anything less than one acre. Jɪmp 06:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
If you're happy with the new system both {{ac-ha}} and {{ft-m}} can be deleted. Jɪmp 08:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
First of all you have eight main subtemplates:
000) {{LDS Temple list‎/size}}
001) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-site}}
010) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-height}}
011) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-height-site}}
100) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-floor}}
101) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-floor-site}}
110) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-floor-height}}
111) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-floor-height-site}}
{{LDS Temple list}} and {{Infobox LDS Temple}} call whichever of these is appropriate dependant on the data they have inputted ... they don't call what they don't need & here's where you save on the pre-expand size. 000 is empty it gives you nothing (just like {{X0}}). 110 calls 100 and 010 inserting the and as appropriate. 111 calls 110 and 001 putting the appropriate on a between. Similarly 101 calls 100 and 001 while 011 calls 010 and 001 putting the appropriate on a between. 010 gives the height in feet, calls
CONV) {{LDS Temple list‎/convert}}
to convert this into metres and adds the word high unless the parameter type is set to anything but list (i.e. for type=infobox there is no high) thus allowing {{Infobox LDS Temple}} to use the same subtemplate. Similarly 100 gives the floor area in square feet converts to square metres using CONV, note though, that a third parameter is given this time: this is to account for a shift in precision (with respect to the value expressed in decimal notation) when going from square feet to square metres—we jump a power of ten since 10 sq ft ≈ 1 m².
CONV multiplies the first two of its input parameters together and rounds the product off. Note that the conversion factor must therefore be sent to CONV. Using {{precision/+}} CONV calculates the precision of the first parameter (the measurement in (square) feet) and adds the appropriate factor (given by the third parameter, defaulting to 0) to account of the aformentioned jump in precision. CONV also calculates the order of magnitude of the product of the first and second parameters (the converted value) using {{ordomag}} and subtracts this from 1 to obtain the precision to which to round in order to give two significant figures. Using {{max/2}} CONV finds the maximum of these two numbers thus matching precision except where this would give only one significant figure in which case two are given. This number is then compared to 0 using {{min/2}} giving us the smaller of the two thereby preventing the conversion from going decimal. This, finally, is the precision to which the converted value is rounded.
001 doesn't use CONV. Instead it converts acres to hectares by itself rounding to the nearest interger for anything greater than 50 acres & to one decimal place otherwise. It then sends the original and converted values to
001L) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-site/list}} or
001I) {{LDS Temple list‎/size-site/infobox}}
as appropriate. 001L gives the site area in acres and hectares and adds site, since this is in adjective form we don't have to worry about pluralisation. 001I gives the area in acres and hectares fully spelling the words acre(s) and hectare(s) out adding the s where appropriate by testing whether or not the given parameter is equal to 1.
And that's about it. Jɪmp 03:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] template

A template you have created or significantly contributed to, {{user6}}, is the subject of a discussion I have started on the village pump. —Random832 17:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intro shortcut dablink

Howdy. Just a pointer to this thread at Template talk:Intro#Shortcut dablink. I can't think of a good solution atm. (I notified SMcCandlish about it too, hence his quick response). Possibly you may have an insight/epiphany/magic-bullet? ;) --Quiddity 22:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Latter-day Saints template

Thank you for your changes to the Latter-day Saints template. They were sorely needed imho. --TrustTruth 20:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laie Hawaii Temple

Hi. Thanks for your help with the move. We still need the current talk page moved back to Talk:Laie Hawaii Temple. Thanks, again. —Viriditas | Talk 02:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured List of the Day Experiment

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 15:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with list nomination

I would like to call your attention to the 500 character limit on nominations. Your nomination will be chopped at the 500th character if you do not edit it yourself by the close of nominations.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 20:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LOTD under way

Thanks for submitting a list to WP:LOTD. January nominations are closed and February nominations are open. The January nominee commenting has begun. Feel free to participate in the commentary.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 16:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for nominating a candidate at WP:LOTD. You may want to come by and address some of the feedback you have received before voting begins, which it will in less than 24 hours.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I am surprised at the number of people who have nominated candidates and participated in feedback, but have not voted. If I had made voting mandatory, would it have kept you from nominating an article?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Paris Metropolitan Area: you can vote

Hi Trödel. I'm writting this message to let you know that User:ThePromenader is on the rampage again. This time he wants to delete the template showing communes in the metropolitan area of Paris. I don't know where this guy will stop to remove any notion of an agglomeration of Paris. He has single-handedly listed the template for deletion ([2]), completely disregarding the fact that several editors have contributed to this template and that he is the sole person asking for its deletion. He has created an entry at Templates for deletion: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 November 20#Template:Paris Metropolitan Area. You can vote there to keep or delete the template. Last but not least he has already single-handedly removed the template from the 20 arrondissements of Paris, because according to him these arrondissements have nothing to do with the suburban communes: [3], [4], [5], etc. Complete denial of a Greater Paris, and that just when an administrative "Grand Paris" is going to be created by French authorities next year! Anyway, don't hesitate to take part in the vote. Hardouin (talk) 19:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LOTD congratulations

Congratulations!!! List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been chosen in the inaugural class of January 2008 LOTDs. I hope you will continue to participate in the WP:LOTD process. If you have a date preference get back to me by the end of 2007-12-23 UTC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 06:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:In the news kudos

You're most welcome. enochlau (talk) 08:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mormonism and history merge proposal

Please weigh in on the merger proposal between History of the Latter Day Saint movement and Mormonism and history. I saw that you were a recent contributor of one of the pages in question, and thought you would be interested.--Descartes1979 (talk) 21:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Trodel, I am curious with your vote. As I review the whole history of the article it's initial intent was to attack the use of "faith-promoting" stories in the LDS church at the expense of a rational, historical context. Personally I question the validity of such an article; faith promoting stories are used by every religion on the face of the earth. There is not one religion that does not promote faith promoting stories. Regardless, I am not sure that the history of the LDS movement can not include a short paragraph on this topic at the end. I think refrences can be provided that show the growth in historical research on Mormonism both within and outside of the respective churches involved. Do you really think the two could not be merged? --Storm Rider (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Changed your vote? I am definately against merging, primarily because placing the topic in History of the Latter Day Saint movement reduces it to a "one time" issue. The most recent pattern of "faith-promoting" history was (as a BYU trained historian, I sincerely hope) a one time event. But Mormonism and history is a much bigger topic, closer to historiography, having implications from Joseph's time to the present. I don't know if this is the right title for such an article, but we are having a restructuring discussion on the Mormonism and history page. Please drop in and give your two cents. Best wishes as always. WBardwin (talk) 03:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I really don't have time to examine the issue so I decided I'd better abstain. I know you guys will find a good solution without me :) --Trödel 03:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intro protection

Hi. You probably know best, so: I'm wondering if we could fully-protect Wikipedia:Introduction 3 like page 2 is; and fully- or semi-protect the embedded templates on both those pages (Template:Please don't change this page and Template:Please don't edit this page). That 2nd template was vandalized for a couple of hours the other day. Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Whatever you think is best. I do think you should semi-protect those 2 templates though, like Template:Introduction to Wikipedia is. (Or should I find and do the full-process-request-procedure thing? I assume it's faster to just bug an admin who knows the rules, and specifically one who knows the intro/tutorial well...) Thanks again. (replies here are fine :) -- Quiddity (talk) 05:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:LDSInfobox apostle

A tag has been placed on Template:LDSInfobox apostle requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{tranclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Free use Temple Pictures

Thanks for finding the free use temple pictures - I know scouring flickr and other sources can be quite time consuming and unfruitful on occasion. So I especially appreciate your efforts!! --Trödel 16:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) I didn't think that anyone would ever thank me for that. The trick is to track down flickr users' e-mail addresses and ask them to release their photos. —Remember the dot (talk) 17:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You can also use my work of the Washington Temple and the Salt Lake Temple if you would like.--Niro87 (talk) 07:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Monoend

A tag has been placed on Template:Monoend requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Monosp

A tag has been placed on Template:Monosp requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

I want to put a nicer looking infobox on Archbishop Demetrios of America, but im having trouble finding which one i should use. Grk1011 (talk) 14:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw what the color should have been according to the infobox page, but the only infobox available was for pope so i wasnt sure what to do. I'd suggest the new box be titled bishop maybe? then it could be used with other denominations as well and would include bishops, archbishops and metropolitan bishops. Just make sure you use a diff word than papacy. the only other word i can think of would be term. Grk1011 (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah - I only meant it for a temporary solution until I could create a new infobox. I created one at {{Infobox Greek Orthodox}} - if you think a better name should be used, then let me know. Also - the color scheme was never fully implemented so if there is a color that is associated with the Greek Orthodox church let me know and I'll update the template and the color schema - I'm not sure who put that together but it is a pretty good idea so I followed it. --Trödel 15:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
PS - I helped select the color for the Pope infobox and we picked a common color from the vatican website http://www.vatican.va/ --Trödel 15:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I just checked the official website of the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate http://www.ec-patr.org/default.php?lang=en and sadly it seems to be the same color as the catholic. I'm going to post something on the Eastern Christanity wikiproject to see if anyone has any ideas. This infobox should be for orthodoxy in general, not just greek orthodoxy. So are all the colors up for taking except the underlined? Grk1011 (talk) 15:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Could you change it from archbishopric to something else like term. It makes it general enough to work for other positions such as a bishop or metropolitan bishop. Grk1011 (talk) 15:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes 2

I'll do some of those changes as soon as I get to a real comp. Editing from this phone will cut off text. Yes - undelined ones are the only ones implemented - and I see no reason not to use different colors for different orthodox churches. Trödel 17:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

O sry, i didnt know you were on a phone, haha. Are you saying each branch of orthodoxy should have its own color? its the same church. Grk1011 (talk) 17:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
fyi the changes I made were on a reg comp but then I had to leave the office and am on my phone. changes by Trodel are from phone, by Trödel are normal.
I'm not sur how othodoxy churches work. I know there are different kind armenian, eastern, greek, etc. if the are all part of the same church then you're right the should have the same color and we should rename the infobox. Trödel 21:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The Eastern Orthodox Church contains the greek, russian, bulgarian, romanian, etc. There are other orthodox churches such referred to as oriental orthodox churches which are similar but not part of the others. The ethnic name basically refers to the language that the service is in and where the local church is headquarted. I left a note on the wikiproject, we will search for a good color. Grk1011 (talk) 21:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I renamed the template to {{Infobox Orthodox leadership}} and used "term" since that is more generic - feel free to edit it for anything else you see. --Trödel 03:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Might it look better with a second bar of color such as in the album infobox seen here: 10 Hronia Mazi? Grk1011 (talk) 00:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I think it would but I'm not sure what information we would include in the second band of color. --Trödel 01:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe the title? Like in the top put say Ieronymos II and in the second put Archbishop of Athens. This would be for Archbishop Ieronymos II of Athens. Grk1011 (talk) 01:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
How do you like the implementation? --Trödel 01:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Nice, I think it balances the box. Sorry to be picky, but is there a way to make the color be slightly indented like the albums box? The color does not touch the sides of the box in it if you know what i mean. Grk1011 (talk) 01:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Grk1011 (talk) 01:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Just when I thought everything was good to go, I saw a post for Template:Infobox bishopbiog. This infobox is not listed with the others where you can find the color code. I'd suggest that we add the religious career section to the new template. Any thoughts? Grk1011 (talk) 16:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry I did not get more involved with this sooner. template:Infobox bishopbiog is used for all bishops and archbishops except the bishop and archbishops of Rome, Canterbury, and York. It is used for Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Old Catholics, Continuing Anglicans and, yes - for lack of a better box - I started using it for Oriental Orthodox bishops. That doesn't mean you can't have a seperate box for any/all Eastern Orthodox bishops, but I would not reinvent the wheel here. The color of the existing bishop box is not a problem for me. The gold color on the nex box looks like the color already in use for saints, and that could be problematic. What about the existing box? Are there any fields on the existing box that are problematic? We could add or change the fields, too. Let me know what you think - we should also move this discussion to a more public place, perhaps Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. -- Secisek (talk) 18:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more that the bishop box isn't good for LDS leaders. I also am glad you cleaned the "proposed" color page. Let's see what some other people think. --Secisek (talk) 13:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)