Talk:Xavier High School (New York City)

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[edit] Regarding Vandalism

Hm... it seems thizzay many of tha thugz who is guilty of tha vandalism of tha xavia high schoo` article is in fact students at xavia high school. it would be funky ass if we could represent our schoo` in a mature manna witout tha unnecessary n childish comments in between. fo` example, "caseywurzbizzles is a completely unnecessary n asinine comment fo' sheezy. if you is going ta add ta tha page, tizzy at least add legitimate th'n or pizzay shot calla you is going ta add before post'n it. by tha way, there is no need ta explain jug. it is sum-m sum-m that is true of tha school, but there is so many brotha th'n ta tell everyone `bout. so, pleaze, would everyone G-R-to-tha-izzow up n stop post'n nonsensizzles or incoherent articles n all dat. thanx.

- mtzizzalz1031

[edit] Regarding vandals

Matt, do you really think that the idiots are going to pay attention? I doubt that they even know that the talk page exists. —Larry V 03:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

This behavior is quite common among highschool students who have discovered Wikipedia. I see it all the time from schools all over the globe while on rc patrol. I'm sure that in many cases it's a noisy handful that cause the trouble, but that's all it takes. I'd wager that 60% to 80% of the vandalism on Wikipedia comes from school computers. --Kbh3rdtalk 04:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I kind of figured that out a while ago, looking at other high school articles and such. Once, I tried editing an article from a computer at my school, only to find that the IP had been blocked. —Larry V 01:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dioceses served, et cetera

It is true that Catholic students who attend this school hail from dioceses other than the Archdiocese of New York; however, the issue of students' geographic diversity is already covered by noting that "Xavier draws students from all five boroughs of New York City, as well as New Jersey, Nassau County, Westchester County, and even Orange County." In addition, the statement in question begins, "The school serves ...." Quite clearly, Xavier High School "serves" only the Archdiocese of New York. Schools and parishes do not "serve" multiple church bodies. It would be greatly appreciated if user 207.188.97.8 replied to this message, or at least provided a decent edit message explaining his/her reasoning in repeatedly adding references to these additional dioceses. If no reply is forthcoming and the article is reverted to the prior state, this user will be reported to Wikipedia administrators. —Larry V 17:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Neutral observer here. I don't have any specific knowledge of this particular situation, so I won't edit it either way. I wonder what is meant by "serve" here, and what the relationship of this school to the archdiocese is. Diocese are established by the Church to serve a particular region. Parishes are established by a diocese to serve a particular geographic area, and parochial and diocesan schools are established to serve the geographic area of the parish and the diocese, respectively, though they frequently will take students from other areas (frequently charging an unsubsidized rate). However, this school is run by the Jesuit order, not by the archdiocese. It is not under the control of the archbishop. Unless there is some relationship with the archdiocese, or something in canon law that ties it to the diocese in which it sits, I don't see why you would insist on saying that it serves only one of the serveral diocese in the city and region from which it draws its students. Even though my understanding of the relationship of non-diocesan religious orders to the bishop in whose diocese they operate, is incomplete, I don't see how it's wrong to say that it "serves" the wider area, but if you just cannot come to agreement on this one way or the other, I'd suggest the article just omit that phrase entirely and say that it serves students from all these various areas, which is indisputably true. --Kbh3rdtalk 05:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I understand what you are saying — to tell the truth, my understanding of the relationship of non-diocesan religious orders to the bishop in whose diocese they operate isn't particularly advanced either. The real problem here is that user 207.188.97.8 does not seem to want to discuss this. Perhaps this is not to be unexpected, as that IP address has been warned numerous times in the past for vandalism; this is also not surprising to me, since that IP address originates in my school's (Xavier's) computer lab. One issue that I have with the phrase itself is that, while most students there certainly are Catholics of the Archdiocese of New York and the Diocese of Brooklyn and Queens, the percentage of students from the Diocese of Rockville Centre is insignificant. In addition, many students are not even Catholic (such as myself). And if the goal was to express the school's service of these areas — well, there is a reference to that later on in the article, referring to the five boroughs, Nassau County, and New Jersey. After thought, I agree with your final suggestion and have deleted the guilty phrase — although no doubt user 207.188.97.8 will revert that without saying a word. —Larry V 00:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Famous Xavier Alumni

I know there are more notable alumni from 30 West 16th Street than just Scalia and Roker. Like Donald Cook for example.

- verndogs

Thanks! Any others you know off the top of your head? I probably should know myself, but I've never had to give an Open House tour. =/ —Larry V (talk) 07:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Also i believe the fact that Shaft is not in the article should be adressed. The mayir would have had our school bulldowzed down to create a mini-mall if it wernt for Shaft.

[edit] Lack of Resources

This article definetly needs more references. For instance, how do you know that Xavier is planning to introduce its own admission exam? 68.175.27.35 01:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, much of what has been placed in this article is hearsay gathered from around the school itself. —Larry V (talk) 02:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I personally spoke with the Director of Admissions, who is an old friend, and he stated that the rumors about a new test for admission are completely untrue. The TACHS will continue to be the admission test. 67.72.98.83 19:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

They just started using a separate application to get into Xavier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.95.127 (talk) 15:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Developments

Since when do they teach "rhetoric"? Even when my dad graduated back in the 50's they were phasing it out - we certainly didn't study it when I went.

I heard that Xavier is constructing a new building --- some info on that might be appropriate in the article... 64.12.116.131 04:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

That's in the planning stages, yes ... I'll add something once I get a hold of the Alumnews magazine that I saw the info in. — Larry V (talk) 21:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know the reason behind Dr. Gerics' departure? 66.108.1.7 00:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Something about taking care of his mother, I think. Not exactly sure, though. --Larry V (talk | contribs) 02:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It might take a while for info on the new theatre to get out, because no one outside of the administration seems to have a clear idea about how in hell its going to get built. According to posting on the XHS Alumni site, construction hadn't begun by mid-July. By the way, and this is my own opinion mind you, but considering that the article has been cleaned up quite a bit, don't you think it's time to unflag it? It's terribly embarassing, not to mention, at least at this point, inaccurate. Just a thought! 67.72.98.83 19:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

…or complete lack thereof. This article has just four references; for its length, this is ridiculous! Larry V (talk | contribs) 11:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Father Gatti's Departure?

Is this even true or is it just something that a vandal put there that no one has bothered to remove? 68.237.203.136

Check the school website -- this is accurate Bobby GR (talk) 13:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rugby

The rugby team has won three national championships, two in Division I, and one in Division II. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the "Athletics" section? HandsomeSam57 20:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military at Xavier - the decline

It's too bad that I can't think of how you would source the story, to the extent I know it, of how the military came to be optional. The late sixties was a great time to be at Xavier. Various Jesuits were at their most extreme in oppostion to the war. The younger mil sci faculty were just back from tours in Vietnam including Major Smullins. Rather than having one teacher for the year as with other classes military science had "blcoks of instruction". The faculty was a couple of retired sergeants, a couple of active duty sergeants and Major Smullins. Senior year, besides "The Psychology of Leadrship", he taught "Counter-Insurgency". Meanwhile the Jesuits uptown were under surveillance by the FBI (ironically a profession not unusual for Xavier graduates). Out on the street in uniform we were required to salute real military officers, cadet officers, priests and nuns and faculty members. Some of the faculty said they didn't want to be saluted, kind of embarrasing. Up until 1969 most juniors and seniors were required to be MP's every third week or so. Basically you stood in the hall, came to atention for faculty and cadet officers and persecuted underclassmen for being out of uniform. Senior year they decided to make MP's a special unit. It was cool they even got brass pistols rather than rifles to wear. There was a flaw in the theory. About one third of the seniors were officers and another third were high ranking sergeants. Those that were left were the kids who had majored in Jug. One of the greatest achievements you could think of was to graduate from Xavier as private. It took four years of living on the edge of being thrown out, but somehow persisting.

One of my friends told me that every first sergeant in the first and second battalion (the third was special units) was getting paid off to mark kids present a drill.

Kids came in wearing black arm bands, which was out of uniform. In another irony the pro war kids wore American flag pins. They were also out of uniform.

I wish I could document some of this, but I guess it has to stay in the talk section

Peter Reilly (talk) 01:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


Not sure what you mean by decline -- numbers, maybe. But it still gets high scores from the Department of the Army, and still sends students to the academies. Given your estimate that a third were never really "in the program" - opting for jug and demotion -- a percentage today of 30%+ wouldn't be so bad. Is optional such a bad thing? Bobby GR (talk) 00:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)