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I think this article could use some work. It's a bit convoluted and not very clear, and missing some wider context to make it more than a dictionary entry.--Khendon 19:01, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I agree. And the Terry Pratchett thing is not a play on words. He spelt it properly where Shakespeare spelt it "weird". And Should Macbeth not be mentioned, BTW?
I have made a major overhaul of the page. I have included much more information and explanations, which are based on both my own intuitive understanding of such topics, as well as the view of modern day Heathens. I have rephrased some information, added more sections, and included a few appropriate, non-fictional links. Feel free to wikify as desired. I wrote this article as one who believes in these concepts, as I do; you may want to incorporate a more NPOV than I would provide, but don't water down the information.
Yogensha 00:21, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
what the vhelllll
- I've made a couple of minor changes. I fixed a typo, re-arranged a sentence so that it made more sense (it didn't read right as it stood) and put in a wiki link for Heathen on the grounds that I'd not heard of Heathens as a modern revival movement until this entry.
- Also, it's interesting that the way in which Wyrd describes our constraint by past action but also our freedom to influence our future within the context of this constraint resembles some of the ideas inherent in the concept of karma. I've flagged this up in the article. Kantiandream 14:27, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Weird
I think we should move the article to weird.
Why? I put 'weird' into the search box and it redirects here anyway. Kantiandream 08:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that there may be more suspicious candidates. Suspicious words:
Why?
Ancient Vocal sound asking another for information on the wyrd. Communicated via the word. Seeking reason of the Word.
Word
Spoken word. Communicating the information of the world. Remembering memories of complex neurological patterns, and Passing them through space via communication bio equipment to others. Sharing The Wyrd. or the world. consensus like.
Wierd meaning strange. (suspicious to string) in Danish wierd translates to underlig.
Underlig literally means wierd. but also Below Like. The danish word "Rigtig" means Rig like. deriving from the RigVedas The proto-germanic Wotan, or in Asetru danish folklore "odin". Odin hang from the life tree and visited mimirs well. to where he sacrificed his one eye. The well of knowlegde which he used to see the future. Predicting the wyrd.
World (from scandinavian Verden meaning world. (also danish Væren (being), at vær: "to be")
The World in which we live in. The intertwining Network of the Wyrd.
[edit] Well of Urd is not the same as Mimir's Well
[The Well of Urd is the holy well supposed to harbor the head of Mímir the giant] and [Odin dropped his eye into the well to gain the "Gift of Knowledge." Odin completed two other tasks to gain the "Gift of Poetry" and the "Mysteries of Nature."] are incorrect. These refer to the Well of Mimir, which is a different well located in a different world. I don't know of a source that claims they're the same. Snorri Sturlson clearly distinguishes them in the "Prose Edda" (Gylfaginning XV):
Three roots of the tree uphold it and stand exceeding broad: one is among the Æsir; another among the Rime-Giants, in that place where aforetime was the Yawning Void; the third stands over Niflheim, and under that root is Hvergelmir, and Nídhöggr gnaws the root from below. But under that root which turns toward the Rime-Giants is Mímir's Well, wherein wisdom and understanding are stored; and he is called Mímir, who keeps the well. He is full of ancient lore, since he drinks of the well from the Gjallar-Horn. Thither came Allfather and craved one drink of the well; but he got it not until he had laid his eye in pledge.
The third root of the Ash stands in heaven; and under that root is the well which is very holy, that is called the Well of Urdr; there the gods hold their tribunal.
See http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/pre/pre04.htm
Mark350125 06:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification request
"Indeed, for a true comprehension it is key for the Wyrd to be embraced as a conceptual mystery, wherein the tides and tidings of time and timelessness flow and weave always, entwining the reticulum of the fabric of being and non-being.[1]" That is quite poetic, but does it have any meaning? For a reference it would be nice to explain what "reticulum of the fabric of being and non-being" means- if anything. 63.241.31.130 (talk) 21:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Do I really have to spoon feed EVERYONE, use a very good dictionary and meditate and pray on it!
- Sadhana: Clarity follows upon the coat tails of dilligence
- B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 12:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] How about a new section for "Wyrd in popular media"?
I know of at least one book series (Deverry Cycle/Katherine Kerr)that is wholly based on just this very concept of wyrd, and also mentions it quite a few times in that name. 79.181.108.148 (talk) 00:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Reworked Article
In the spirit of 'being bold', I've taken my abject lack of knowledge of Norse mythology and had a bash at tidying this up a bit. In my defence, it's because I lack any real knowledge of the subject that I found the article so difficult to grasp: as it stood, and without intending any offence, it seemed more aimed at showcasing someone's understanding of the material than at explaining it to those of us not so educated. As a result, if you now find that any of the statements made are no longer accurate then please feel free to revert them or edit them yourself. The only thing I'd ask is that you please bear in mind that the purpose here is to explain the concept to someone who doesn't already understand it. Thus, the language used needs to be as clear as possible. I'm not advocating 'dumbing-down': just accessibility.
(I should also point out, for honesty's sake, that I adhere to a concept called 'Wyrd' myself, which I consider akin to 'Tao'; but I recognise that it's easy for reconstructionists and borrowers-of-other-people's-culture to misunderstand the true, historical concepts that they adopt. In that spirit, I've tried not to let my personal conception of Wyrd interfere with my edits, since I realise this article deals with the Old Norse concept. If you think that this has compromised any of my edits then again, by all means amend them - but please still bear the above request in mind.)
So I have:
- Generally reworded the 'Concept' section. In my view it was compromised by overly poetic language at the expense of clarity.
- Taken out the reference to proto-Germanic 'Naudiz'. This is because this article (Wyrd) does not fully explain the application of the term 'Naudiz' to the concept being described. Also, the 'Naudiz' article itself is a stub and it's not immediately clear from that article what relevance it has to this one. The association with 'constraint' is apparent, but I felt it would be far simpler just to say 'constraint' and trust that readers understood what that meant.
- Exchanged some frankly rather fanciful words for more down-to-earth alternatives. For example, I've replaced 'congruent to' with 'the same as'. Although I know it's not strictly a synonym, in context it provides the same information in more familiar, clearer language.
- Reworded the section about the Norns, and excised some references. This was the section that seemed most intended to demonstrate someone's familiarity with Old Norse than to educate my uncultured self in how the Norns relate to Wyrd.
- Shrivenzale (talk) 14:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
