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Talk:WikiProject Wales--Pilipala9 22:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Can I just be clear - should we put the banner on the article itself, or on the talk page? Practice seems to vary. Deb 12:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The banners are selfrefs therefore have to go on the talk-page. Agathoclea 19:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, can you explain the proposed differences in intention between this project and Wikipedia:Welsh Wikipedians' notice board? Bards 03:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Quite simply this is a WikiProject, and not a notice board!! Every other country within the UK had one except us. Now we have one too. --Pilipala9 11:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
WikiProjects are also the Foundations sly way of ensuring that core articles of top-level subjects (ie countries) get the needed attentention before the next CD version gets produced. Basically first we identify which articles belong to the project then rate their importance and quality. Natually we want to improve important articles first. Agathoclea 19:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Project Co-ordinator

I have added my name to the list of WikiProject coordinators[1] to make sure we receive any important comunication. This does not mean that I see myself as any sort of leader here. I'd actually be happier if someone else would step forward. But sofar things are running a little slow here. Agathoclea 19:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] maps

I have a 1/4 inch to the mile OS map of south wales from 19467 (therefor public domain) that I can scan bits of if people can come up with bit that would be interesting to scan. An example of what the scans are like can be seen at Image:Milford Haven harbourmap1946.jpg.Geni 01:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New infoboxes

A new infobox has been developed for use on UK places articles. If you have any concerns or appraisals, please make them at Template talk:Infobox UK place. Regards, Jhamez84 01:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have already made it plain that I do not support the dropping of the historic county field, but my objections have been ignored. If this is supposed to replace the existing templates it absolutely needs to provide the same information as the previous ones or a lot of editors are going to be very annoyed. Owain (talk) 13:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Consensus can change. It has. consensus has been assessed three times in response to your complaints, and in each case, the new consensus was not to your liking.  DDStretch  (talk) 14:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Raglan

The link to Raglan village is wrong - it links to Raglan New Zealand rather than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raglan%2C_Monmouthshire - I don't know how to correct this.

Thanks Cheryl Morgan Raglan, Monmouthshire, UK

Which link to Raglan? If you're more specific, I'll fix it so that it point to Raglan, Monmouthshire, but there are a lot of references to "Raglan" on Wikipedia... If what you mean is that Raglan is about New Zealand not Monmouthshire, that can't be fixed: that place was written about on Wikipedia first. (I've left a message on your IP talk page to the same effect). Bencherlite 21:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox flag straw poll

Hello fellow editors. A straw poll has opened today (27th March 2007) regarding the use of flags on the United Kingdom place infoboxes. There are several potential options to use, and would like as many contrubutors to vote on which we should decide upon. The straw poll is found here. If joining the debate, please keep a cool head and remain civil. We look forward to seeing you there. Jhamez84 11:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming of sub-categories of Category:Welsh people by county and Category:People by city in Wales

A discussion about whether to rename categories along the lines of Category:Natives of Anglesey to Category:People from Anglesey is underway at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 25#Category:Welsh people by county. A full list of the categories in question is set out there. Bencherlite 01:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bertrand Russell GA/R

I have nominated Bertrand Russell for WP:GA/R due to inadequate referencing. I hope the article gets the attention it deserves during this process to retain its quality rating. Please see discussions at Wikipedia:Good_article_review#Bertrand_Russell. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to Template:WikiProject Wales

I've added some code to Template:WikiProject Wales (taken from our sister project for Scotland's template, because I know nothing about template codes!) to make the WP:Wales banner on talk pages display whether the article has been rated on the importance scale, not just the quality scale, and if so what that rating is. I tested it before use in the template sandbox and in my userspace, and all seemed fine, so I've "been bold" and gone live with it. I've had a look at a few articles (e.g. Talk:Beaumaris (start/???), Talk:Welsh law (GA/mid)) and the new version is working as I hoped. However, if you notice any problems, let me know and I'll either call for help from someone who knows about template codes or revert back. Diolch, Bencherlite 20:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I've also added "List" and "NA" as optional parameters, so that these pages don't keep showing up in the "unassessed" class. Does anyone know how to add them (and "Cat") to the table showing how many articles are in which category? Bencherlite 11:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Great - that can be most annoying having all those fake unassessed articles. As far as the Cat/Template.ect numbers in the table, that would be a WP 1.0 wide issue. Possibly best to ask the botowner for an opinion first. Agathoclea 11:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll see what happens when the bot next runs and take it from there. Bencherlite 11:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration possibilities

OK, the assessment drive is coming along nicely and we now have about 650 articles tagged. 8 are FA class, 6 are GA class, and we have 82 at B-class. With a bit of a push, I would have thought that many of these B class articles could be polished up to GA class, or better. I would also have thought that it makes more sense to tackle higher importance topics first. So, with that in mind, here is the current list of B-class articles given "top" or "high" importance ratings, in alphabetical order within three general groupings:

  • Locations
Administrative divisions of Wales • Anglesey • Cardiff • Flintshire • Gwynedd • Harlech Castle • Merthyr Tydfil • Newport • Powys • Swansea • Wales • Wrexham
  • People
Aneurin Bevan • Anthony Hopkins • Charlotte Church • David Lloyd George • Gruffydd ap Cynan • Henry VII of England • Katherine Jenkins • Llywelyn the Last • Mary Jones (Bible) • Owain Glyndŵr • Owain Lawgoch • Richard Burton • Ron Davies (British politician) • Rowan Williams • Ryan Giggs • Shirley Bassey • Taliesin • Tom Jones (singer)
  • Others
History of Wales • Plaid Cymru • Politics of Wales • Manic Street Preachers • Super Furry Animals • Welsh language

Whilst, of course, voting is evil, would anyone care to suggest which articles they would like to turn collective attention to first? Calling it a "Collaboration of the week" may be pushing it timewise, given that this isn't the busiest of WikiProjects! Bencherlite 18:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK place infobox

Hello WikiProject Wales participants,

I produce maps for use on UK settlement articles, within the Template:Infobox UK place. I would like to bring some of the Welsh settlements upto date with a standardised Welsh specific map, but I'm unsure how (or indeed if at all) the map of Wales should be subdivided as a geographic frame of reference. Which should I use?...

  1. Principal areas of Wales
  2. Preserved counties of Wales
  3. Some other Administrative divisions of Wales
  4. No subdivisions, just a plain Wales map
  5. Create no map, and continue to use the standard plain UK map (as used on Buckley).

Hope you can help me here, as I'd be glad to return the favour and help the project improve its settlement articles. Indicating your prefered number would be ideal. Thanks, Jza84 00:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

...Well... we'll continue using the UK map until there is a request to move forwards. Jza84 22:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British only nationality proposals on wikipedia

(quoting) A rather interesting proposed innovation in guidelines is taking place at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (United Kingdom-related articles) and Wikipedia Talk:Manual of Style (United Kingdom-related articles). Essentially, it is an attempt to prescribe that all Scottish, English, Welsh and Northern Irish people be called "British" in all articles concerning people from the United Kingdom. Essentially, if one finds themselves trying to retain "Sir Thomas Sean Connery (born August 25, 1930) is an Academy Award-winning Scottish actor and producer " instead of "Sir Thomas Sean Connery (born August 25, 1930) is an Academy Award-winning British actor and producer", the person pushing the latter will be able to quote the British only guidelines at you. If you support or oppose this innovation, or if you have any thoughts, you should go to the talk page. (end quote) --MacRusgail 14:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Persistent anti-Welsh language insertion on Welsh language article

There is a bit of an edit war going on at the moment with User:Jez9999 repeatedly inserting a "Criticism of Welsh" section which, imo, is unrepentantly POV and simply an example of a user posting their personal beliefs on a topic they are hostile towards. Take a look and judge for yourselves, Wales/Welsh language isnt really my area of expertise although the tone of the section is unmistakablely not neutral imo. siarach 12:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the real problem is that it's blatantly OR. There certainly are people who are opposed to, or at least sceptical of, the modern promotion of Welsh, and it's worth discussing this in the article – though perhaps ideally in the context of the modern promotion of Welsh in general. But unless it's backed up with representative citations, it shouldn't go in. garik 18:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. I dont doubt there are probably a fair few people who feel the same way as the editor in question (not just in Wales but anywhere there is a similar language situation) but as you say it is most certainly OR and it also reads like someone putting forward a bit of a personal rant on a forum. As youve said on the discussion page a place could certainly be found within the article for coverage of any anti-Welsh language movements/prominent attitudes etc but they would have to be encyclopedia worthy. siarach 08:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

This point of view is not exactly new in Wales, and it hasn't been driven underground by the recent resurgence of the language. I suspect that if anyone were unwise enough to hold a poll on the subject in Wales as a whole, it might still be a majority view. Wikipedia policy says that only "tiny minority" positions need not be represented. Perhaps a way around this problem is to get such discussion moved to "Wales" rather than "Welsh Language" since the topic is a political issue rather than a linguistic issue. The subject of the language article is, after all, the people who do speak it; not those who don't. . . .LinguisticDemographer 13:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Welsh placenames and placename elements

I can't find an article on this subject. Did it once exist and get killed? Such an article would be very useful to many people. French Wikipedia has an excellent "Toponymie bretonne" which would be a model for it. Or is there a better way of covering the topic? . . . .LinguisticDemographer 14:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I have seen one on Welsh placenames, although I have seen several on people's names. Just had a look at fr:Toponymie bretonne, and it looks like a reasonable model to me; but it would be nice to have more than just lists in categories, I think. Someone will only come along and slap a "consider converting these lists to prose" tag on it - probably me :) That said, I'd be interested if such a page is started. Telsa (talk) 16:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Butetown, Tiger Bay and Cardiff Bay project

I have had a look at the various articles which seem to address the Butetown/Cardiff Bay area, and they all seem a bit "confused":

  • Butetown - seems to address Butetown in poor detail, and also refers to but does't link to Tiger Bay
  • Tiger Bay - seems to refer little to Butetown, and covers much of the historic development of the docks/Bay
  • Cardiff Bay - seems quite an accurate article on covering the development of the bay post 1987

There are also a few straggler/linking articles, such Cardiff Bay Barrage, Queen Alexandra Dock (what about the other docks?) and the Butetown Branch which covers the railway. It seems like an ideal area for a project, which in my mind would:

  • Create a new article called Cardiff docks, to cover the docks development and current workings
  • Upgrade the Butetown article, by seperating the Tiger Bay article into it and the new Cardiff docks article

Thoughts? Rgds, - Trident13 08:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wales national rugby union team

Hi, I've been working on Wales national rugby union team, and am trying to get it up to Featured Article standard. I was wondering if anyone had a Welsh rugby jersey they could take a photograph of? The more recent the better but ever if it's a couple of years old will still be great for the article. This is an example of what I'm trying to find. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. - Shudde talk 05:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling query

I wonder whether any Welsh speakers here can shed any light on whether the mountain Pen Llithrig y Wrach should be spelt "Wrach" or "Wrâch"? Both appear to be in moderately common use in English-language sources. Thanks. — ras52 10:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the mountain, but it's more than likely a mutation of the word Gwrach (Witch), which has no circumflex on the 'a'.--Rhyswynne 14:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. "Witch" is indeed translation usually given, even by sources that use a circumflex. — ras52 17:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The use of Welsh county names in categories - please join in a discussion

There is a discussion underway at Wikipedia talk:Welsh Wikipedians' notice board#Which century are we in? on whether old shire county names should be used in articles / categories, with particular reference to List of castles in Wales and the subcategories of Category:Buildings and structures in Wales by county. All views are welcome. Please join in! BencherliteTalk 22:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manual of Style (biographies): British, or English, (Northern) Irish, Scottish, Welsh?

Hi, there's currently a proposal by me for "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)" to be clarified with usage notes regarding the use of "British" or "English", "(Northern) Irish", "Scottish" and "Welsh" to be used to describe the nationality of persons in biographical articles. Do provide your views at the "talk page" so that broad consensus on the matter can be reached. Cheers, Jacklee 16:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Schools in Wales

I have sorted the organisation of categories for schools in Wales so that they are found in county groups, eg Category:Schools in Powys rather than dumping in the parent category Category:Schools in Wales. All schools have been moved out of the parent. Swansea, Cardiff and Newport have Education in... parents as well (eg Category:Education in Cardiff). A typical school should be a member of its county grouping and also the all-Wales category, eg Category:Secondary schools in Wales. An incomplete list of schools can be found at List of schools in Wales. Welsh 21:15, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Help!

Normalmouth keeps reverting and removing sourced information from Politics of Wales, and while I have asked for others to peer review the artical he changes it before anyone has had a change to see it! Please, can someone help me!!Drachenfyre 14:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wales national rugby union team now Featured Article candidate

I have nominated Wales national rugby union team for Featured Article status. If you would like to comment at the article's candidacy page you can do so Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Wales national rugby union team. Thanks. - Shudde talk 08:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wales national rugby union team now Featured Article candidate

I have nominated Wales national rugby union team for Featured Article status. If you would like to comment at the article's candidacy page you can do so here. Thanks. - Shudde talk 08:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roads in the United Kingdom

I have created the article above today. I would appreciate any help or pointers with adding information regarding the history of roads in Wales. Regan123 (talk) 18:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of Wales

Hi! I have found on German wikipedia these two flags of Wales: [2] and [3]. Why do we not use these flags on English wikipedia? Especially I would be interested in which flags can be used for the FIFA World Cup qualification 1954 and FIFA World Cup 1958. Kind regards and :) Doma-w (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I've never seen either of those two flags before. The 1st looks like the Welsh Office logo imposed on a green and white background.--Rhyswynne (talk) 09:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks for your reply. These two flags are also shown on Flags of the world. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 00:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Point of Ayr and Mostyn

Hi all. I've found myself doing some work on the Point of Ayr stub article. I've managed to add some info on the (now closed) colliery, and the lighthouse. I've also started creating articles for the red links in there.

If anyone could review the article, and the associated new links that would be great TicketMan - Talk - contribs 12:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. I've now dealt with most of the red links from Point of Ayr. However, in researching Mostyn Colliery, I can't find reference anywhere to a closure date - the latest reference I can find is 1880. Considering it's importance in the area there is so little written about it, and it is missing from sites about the coal industry. I'm thinking it possibly had another name, but thats only a guess. Can anyone help? TicketMan - Talk - contribs 13:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Panic over - found a reference to closure in 1884 TicketMan - Talk - contribs 07:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of the Jews in Wales

If anyone can help, still needed is an article about the History of the Jews in Wales to complete the History of the Jews in Europe. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 12:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leighton Andrews article (persistent anonymous vandalism)

Is there some way to protect this article against anonymous vandalism ? Once again this evening, some one has removed all references to his previous career as a Liberal candidate in Gillingham etc.

The history of vandalism on this article is - afaict - by anonymous contributors. Some one obviously has a really keen desire to airbrush out certain things in this article. --Darren Wyn Rees (talk) 19:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added Leighton Andrews to my watchlist. The recent IP edits were from a BT Broadband account, so the chances are that it will be a different IP address next time - nevertheless, it's still a good idea to leave warning messages on the IP's talk page if you see vandalism / inappropriate removal of facts etc. If the vandalism keeps up, let me know and I'll see whether a dose of page protection is needed. BencherliteTalk 11:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I wonder why they are rubbing it all out - Ho Hum! I previously revamped the article here, and note now that the Walter Wolfgang incident is also missing. Overall, its a pretty poor article at present, with lots of cross edits and poor reading - is it worth putting in some concerted effort? Normally, a few experienced editors will out play a few "agenda-ised" anons! Rgds, - Trident13 (talk) 13:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Merle

My uncle just got a new Blue Merle dog - but when I looked it up here, it went to a Nashville, Tenesse band named after a set of Jimmy Page Led Zepplin lyrics where he is describing walking his dog. Reading the article on the band, they refer to a the mystical blue merle - but not sure the writer of the article or even the band themselves realised they were naming themselves after a dog! I moved the band article, and redirected Blue Merle to the article on a dogs coat, which derives itself from original Welsh. Sometimes, this place just amuses me! Rgds, - Trident13 (talk) 14:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wales categories

A suggestion relating to the categorisation of places in Wales has been made at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography#Wales_categories. We'd welcome input from this team if it's possible! -- Jza84 · (talk) 20:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Court photographs

Does anyone have, or can anyone pop out and take, photographs of current or former county courts in Wales to add to List of county courts in England and Wales or List of former county courts in Wales? I've got Caernarfon, Pontypridd, Cardiff and Carmarthen (Guildhall) for the first and Monmouth (Market Hall) for the second, but photos of others would be good. Thanks, BencherliteTalk 08:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Newport station

WP:RM Newport --> Newport (Gwent). See Talk:Newport railway station. Simply south (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been bold and per a rough consensus i moved it to Newport (Wales) railway station. Simply south (talk) 15:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Places in Wales

Hello team,

I just wondered if I could get some feedback on how well (or poor) WP:UKCITIES is translating to Welsh settlements? Is the project aware that they exist? Are there any Welsh-specific problems which require elaboration?

Places in Wales are currently amongst the lower, or lowest quality settlement articles of the UK, sadly. I believe we only have one good article and no featured articles! It would be nice if WP:UKCITIES could help turn this around. If there are any problems or even blessings, feedback left at the UKCITIES talk page would be much appreciated. Thanks, -- Jza84 · (talk) 14:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:UKNATIONALS

Following from an extended discussion at "Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies)" on how people from the United Kingdom should be described ("British", or "English", "[Northern] Irish", "Scottish" or "Welsh"), which did not result in consensus, an essay entitled "Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom" (WP:UKNATIONALS) has been prepared. You're welcome to provide your comments on how it can be improved at the talk page of "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)". — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 16:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] English places/Welsh names

Contributors to this board may find this debate of interest - [4] --MJB (talk) 19:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox UK place maps

Hello WikiProject Wales participants,

I produce maps for use on UK settlement articles, within the Template:Infobox UK place and have just completed mapping for the whole of England. I am considering producing something similar for Wales, dividing maps locally according to the subdivisions of Wales, or else a national map, akin to that used at Belfast. I'd like to obtain some feedback as to what the community would like. For example, how would the map(s) be divided? Would it be according to:

  1. Principal areas of Wales
  2. Preserved counties of Wales
  3. Some other Administrative divisions of Wales

If no feedback is given I assume a UK wide map is the accepted way forwards. Feedback welcome, -- Jza84 · (talk) 00:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your offer. I'd personally go for Principal Areas but I'm sure there are those with strong feelings towards having the Preserved counties.--Rhyswynne (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd go with the Principal Areas as well as they represent current divisions. Agathoclea (talk) 14:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Me too. BencherliteTalk 20:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The principal areas, despite the silly name, are the only logical choice. Thanks for the work on this, by the way, Jza84, - anything (except the so-called historic counties) must be an improvement on the present vague red blob on a huge map of the UK that doesn't even show Wales! Enaidmawr (talk) 23:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This is excellent feedback thanks. I had an inclin that it would be the Principal areas yes. So that's 5 for and 0 against. So, would you guys ideally want seperate maps for the seperate areas (i.e. like each county of England has a county map), or, a national map like used for Northern Ireland? It may be that I have to do a national map first (due to restrictions in time - England took me a year!) with the view of getting round to each locality. Also, is there anything else I need to be aware of? -- are you happy with the format with the English county maps to be adopted here for example? --Jza84 |  Talk  03:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

A national map for speed to start with, perhaps, just so that we don't have to have the UK map! Thereafter, any lower-level maps you can manage would be great. I haven't seen any English county maps that have made me go "ouch" - picking a county at random, I chose Somerset and Taunton and like the look of both. BencherliteTalk 08:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed...the Preserved and historic counties of Wales are where they should be "in history"...The Principal areas are the only logical way forward. I think that is now 7 for and 0 against. Seth Whales (talk) 10:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody know of a high quality online source I could be "inspired" by to help me produce a national map? I need something with urban and the principal areas marked out really. --Jza84 |  Talk  23:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm still struggling for source material to work from, does anybody know of a source? --Jza84 |  Talk  12:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Does this (http://www.pickatrail.com/jupiter/location/europe/england/england.html) website help? Is this what you were looking for? Seth Whales (talk) 17:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, for England I used something along the lines of (because of Crown Copyright) The Boundary Commission's publications on local government areas. I'm struggling to find an equivalent for Wales, which as stalled my intentions to get this done! --Jza84 |  Talk  17:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Monkton, Pembroke

The Monkton, Pembrokeshire stub is extremely biased and misleading. There is no such cheese rolling competition, no pub, it's hardly a 'romantic older village', there are old cottages on the way into the town, but they count as Pembroke, and not Monkton. Monkton itself is made up of 60's prefab flats. It is Pembrokeshire's very own attempt at 'ethnic cleansing', and it's where they put the drug addicts the gypsies and the homeless (I know because I was homeless myself). Everyone I have shown the Monkton wiki page finds it hilarious and it is now somewhat of an in joke among the people in Pembroke, as well as those in Monkton with access to a computer. The page was clearly created by 'Monkton communities first' (they are even kind enough to provide a link to their homepage at the bottom.

Thanks Alex Holding Formerly Monkton, Pembrokeshire. Now Sunderland, Tyne & Wear —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexholding (talk • contribs) 10:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I have done some tidying up of the article, removing some unencyclopaedic comments and POV. If anyone can find some sources to improve it further, that'd be good. BencherliteTalk 10:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maps for the constituent countries in the UK

I have created the above maps. I hope you all don't mind that I was WP:BOLD and added them to the relative articles myself. I really don't want to create any edit wars I just want to see what others think and hopefully bring this to a nice consensus on what to use. I hate the idea that other countries seam to be more organized then us with these things, so I hope you think the new one looks professional... I'm actually kinda pleased :-) Please voice your opinion over at Talk:Scotland#Straw_Poll I know I'd personally love to hear your opinions! Thanks -- UKPhoenix79 (talk) 05:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Museums in Wales

Could I ask for some help accessing local knowledge, from members of this wikiproject, on the behalf of the new WikiProject Museums? We are currently trying to identify articles within the Museum projects scope (& develop guidelines to help improve them etc). There is a List of museums in Wales. Could you take a look at the list for your local area and see if any are missing or create articles for any red links. Could you also add the new project banner "{{WikiProject Museums}}" to the Talk pages of the articles, so that we can identify those in need of work etc. Any help appreciated &, if anyone is interested you are welcome to join the project or discuss Museum related articles on the Project Talk Page.— Rod talk 13:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wales infobox

Just wondered what others thought of the new coloured infoboxes proposed at Talk:Wales. It's not for me (I might as well say here, as you'll find out there!), but I would welcome wider input at that talk page. --Jza84 |  Talk  02:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flat Holm Project

A group of us at the Flat Holm Project are developing the Flat Holm article with the ambition to get the it to meet the criteria for Featured Article status of FA status - if you have any referenced information about the island please contribute. Thanks Tony (talk) 07:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Requests for Mediation

Your Voice Counts!

Cymru
WalesWales
Flag of Wales Coat of arms of Wales
Flag Coat of arms

Greetings Wales community! We need your Voice! We need mediation and impute from the wider community who regularily contribute to articals of Wales interest. At issue is the use of a distinctive border around the country info box, as well title bar. The issue seems to have become a crusade against Wales by certin editors, who have almost never contributed to and practically never visit (by their own admission) the Wales page. I do not tust the motives of the editor, who seems to be stalking my edits and reverting them purposefully. This editor even dismisses the colors of Wales red and green saying that Wales does not have any official colors! (quote: "I imagine that this use of "national colours" (of which Wales has none by custom or tradition)...", Unfortunatly, I must deal with these cyber bullying tactics if I am to contribute here. However, I implore the Wales commmunity to weigh in on the topic of allowing info box borders and title headers. Please submit views on Template talk:Infobox Country and talk:Wales. If the wider Wales community decides not to support a border and title header color in the colors of Wales then I will withdrawal from this position. However, I and other editors do feel it makes the Wales page far more distinctive. Sincerly, David Llewellyn♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 02:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

NEW DEVELOPMENTS: JZA84 Has nominated the use of the styalized borders and title headers for deletion!!!! Please have your say here! Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 April 14
Yes, Wikipedia is not MySpace afterall! If you want "styalized borders" or a "funky look" use the Wikipedia:Skin please, not invent non-statutory national colours without discussion. --Jza84 |  Talk  09:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The history behind the info box borders can be found on Template talk:Infobox Country#Stop attacking Wikid77 for the Wales border changes

[edit] Mistaken articles

Epbr123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) has created a large number of articles based on various lists of places last year. As it became apparent that some of them were created wrongly i.e. not settlements, but other landmarks he went to ask for all of them to be deleted. Equally troublesome as a good number are real settlements. I suggest that with the help of the editor we take another look at those creations and separate the good from the bad. Agathoclea (talk) 11:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

These are the articles I suspect as being false, as they don't appear on any maps I've looked at: Bont Fawr, Alaw, Anglesey, Bachau, Cader, Caemorgan, Backe, Carmarthenshire, Braichmelyn. Thanks for any help. Epbr123 (talk) 11:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Backe, Carmarthenshire seems to exist as I regularly drive past the sign for it. (And always have to think about the German meaning of the word), I'll check my offline map when I got a chance. Agathoclea (talk) 11:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
May I suggest looking on this website based on the Ordnance Survey maps of the UK. Most of these places appear to be genuine settlements, and if so they are worthy of articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:56, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Alaw, Anglesey could well be Llyn Alaw - nothing on the OS website for a separate village by that name. From that website, Bachau is near Llanerchymedd. BencherliteTalk 12:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Amongst the ones I've found so far are: Braichyfedw (a farmhouse - tagged delete), Braichmelyn (part of Bethesda - merged), 'Bacheldre' (mill/caravan site - deleted), Abercoed (farmhouse - tagged notability, suggest delete), and Coed y Pantwn (=? tagged notability: see its Talk page). I'm sure there are others I've missed. Some of the ones I looked at and checked were genuine settlements, however the question arises "where do you draw the line?" If the hamlet of Foo (population 6) on the edge of Foo village (pop. 50) is to be included - perhaps rightly so in some cases, e.g. historical interest - I could add about a hundred one-line stubs to each county with the aid of my OS maps. This needs keeping an eye on. In particular I think if we are going to include these micro-settlements a new cat needs to be created: it is just ridiculous to call them "villages". Enaidmawr (talk) 22:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
There was also 'Caebitra' (a small stream - deleted) and Brilley (genuine small village, but in England, not Wales!). I've concentrated on the north and west as I don't have OS maps for southern Powys and south Wales - maybe someone could have a look at the village cats there too? Enaidmawr (talk) 22:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help me! In need of a pic expert!/Llywelyn the Last pic needed!

Today I added an infobox the articles Llywelyn the Last and Dafydd ap Llywelyn. The infoboxes are fine but they both lack pictures. I am a real image-phobic on wikipedia and daren't upload anything in case it has some kind of copyright on it. A quick google search shows [This], [this] and [this] website to contain a picture of L. the last. Would anyone be so kind as to tell me if any of these pics would be OK to upload and if so under which lisence? Does anyone have any pics for Dafydd? I would be soo grateful for any helpful replies! Thanks in advance! --Cameron (t|p|c) 19:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I am no image expert, but you have probably already seen this pic: Image:Medieval parliament edward.Jpg on WikiMedia Commons for Llywelyn the Last. Any good? The description says "depicts Edward I presiding over parliament in c.1278. Edward is flanked by Alexander III of Scotland and Llywelyn the Last of Wales, although they probably did not attend any of Edward's parliaments". You could always contact Culturenet Cymru for the copyright status of say this image. It could well be over 70 years since the artists death, therefore Public Domain. Have a look at Wikipedia:Public domain image resources, this may help. Also have a look at avoiding copyright paranoia. Best wishes. Seth Whales (talk) 10:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you such much for your helpful answer! --Cameron (t|p|c) 19:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anglo-Saxon takeover of Wales

Did you know that the Anglo-Saxons took over Wales? I wasn't aware of the fact either until I saw the title of this article. I'm suggesting it be renamed. Comments/suggestions welcome on its talk page. Diolch, Enaidmawr (talk) 23:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh Labour -or Wales Labour Party?

I created a new category, and decided on conventions of the organisation's name to call it Category:Welsh Labour. Someone who clearly thinks from English lines over wiki convention wants to name the category Wales Labour Party is debating the issue in the catgories name discussion. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 08:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for unbiased mediation

Hello! I am an editor contributing to Wikipedia, however I seem to have entered into an edit conflict with another editor who hawks over my edits and reverts them. He orchastrated a campaign against styalized country info boxes, and now has followed me to the Kingdom of Gwynedd page and is editing-out an into image there. I seek others opinions because I feel that these are targeted against any edits that I do. Thank you very much! I really do not want to leave Wikipedia, but fear this harrassment may lead me to!♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 10:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Addressed. --Jza84 |  Talk  11:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Nothing is addressed without mediation.♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 11:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Well I'm sorry you feel that way. --Jza84 |  Talk  11:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh Wikipedia article AfD

There's currently an AfD discussion about the Welsh Wikipedia article (that is, the article here on the English wikipedia about the Welsh-language wikipedia). It doesn't look like there are English-language sources to demonstrate notability, but based on Googling "Cymraeg wikipedia", I thought there might be Welsh-language sources. But since I don't speak Welsh, I can't evaluate that. If anyone here on WikiProject Wales can have a look to see if there are Welsh-language (or any other language, for that matter) sources that demonstrate notability, that'd be useful. Thanks. Klausness (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Result was "keep" (by default), but with reservations. I've expanded it a bit but it needs more work, especially references. Enaidmawr (talk) 23:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pointless list?

Any suggestions what to do with this stub: List of Welsh Christians? I've left my comment and suggestions on the Talk page. Enaidmawr (talk) 23:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Within historic Monmouthshire"

Hi team,

Can I make you aware of a few (un-summarised) changes made by Owain (talk · contribs) which, for example, have introduced the wording "within the historic boundaries of Monmouthshire" before modern counties are used as locators. Long-term issue that I thought this team might want to resolve. There is guidance at WP:PLACE and WP:UKCITIES. --Jza84 |  Talk  00:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Surprised he didn't write "within the sacrosanct boundaries...". Thanks for bringing this to our attention. IMHO it's completely unacceptable, of course, and should be reverted. This issue of edits that give priority to the "historical" counties and give the impression that they still exist today is becoming a tedious waste of time and resources and needs settling once and for all. Enaidmawr (talk) 17:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flat Holm at GAC

Just to let you know Flat Holm is currently a candidate for GA. On this project page it says "recognized as good articles or are currently under review for good article status" but it didn't feel right to add it there & most projects have a separate section for GAC as with candidates for FA. — Rod talk 19:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The nomination still showed as redlink. Agathoclea (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)