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translator template

I remember seeing some sort of a template for listing translators for a station but it's not in Category:Radio templates. Anyone know the template I'm talking about?--Rtphokie (talk) 18:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

{{RadioTranslators}}? JPG-GR (talk) 19:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! That's the one. I see you categorized it too, thanks.--Rtphokie (talk) 13:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Could I ask for somebody who knows how to code templates (I don't) to pass me a revised copy of this template with the FCC column stripped out, so that it can also be used on Canadian radio stations? For Canadian use, {{RadioRebroadcasters}} would be the most appropriate title. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 09:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Done. JPG-GR (talk) 00:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks much. Bearcat (talk) 04:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

US stations with 'D' prepended to callsign

I've noticed a couple of stations in the FCC database who's callsign history includes a prepending of 'D' to the callsign. What does this mean? Example: KAGB --Rtphokie (talk) 17:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

It means at one time the license was Deleted but the owner was able to do whatever that had to do to get it back. There are a few like that. - NeutralHomer T:C 17:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. Is this just a paperwork thing or is this an indication that the station went off the air for that period of time?--Rtphokie (talk) 18:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes it is a little of both. WTHU in Thurmont, Maryland lost their license for 3 days and while it was technically deleted, they were allowed to continue broadcasting. WZFM in Narrows, Virginia, on the other hand, had their license deleted and were silent for that time (around 2 months). Both stations are back on the air. - NeutralHomer T:C 18:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Good to know thanks.--Rtphokie (talk) 18:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Not a problem :) - NeutralHomer T:C 18:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The FCC lines to keep data about old stations around, particularly those which might be subject to legal action (if the commission actually revokes a license, legal action nearly always follows), but also for international coordination reasons. (Stations which cease to exist domestically are not necessarily denotified internationally.) And like other independent agencies, non-emergency decisions of the FCC not final until some time after they are published, to give interested parties time to prepare an appeal. 121a0012 (talk) 05:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

UK Local Radio Stations under danger from WP:CSD#A7

I have noticed that a number of local radio stations were removed from the list of UK radio stations after they were deleted. I checked one (a nearby local station) called Rother FM and I noticed that the article was deleted under speedy deletion criteria A7, whereas other stations with simliar notability and coverage (ie. Trax FM, Lincs FM, Dearne FM and even greater coverage stations such as Hallam FM and BBC Radio Sheffield are untouched. I fear that now all the local radio articles could be under threat of being speedily deleted under A7, after all, if a number of stations similar to the ones which still exist are being deleted, surely the rest are now under threat (Wikipedia being neutral and all that)? ----tgheretford (talk) 13:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

If they are licensed and meet the guidelines of this project, they should not be speedy deleted. I suspect that most of the administrators in this project would be willing to undelete those stations. I don't believe that a speedy needs a full deletion review to be undeleted. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Vegaswikian is correct that a licensed radio station which meets the criteria set out by this project should not be speedied. I've reverted this one. I also did a quick random scan of a few of the other deleted UK radio articles, and would note that many of them were actually speedied months ago and just weren't actually removed from List of radio stations in the United Kingdom until today. I suspect there's going to need to be a coordinated administrator project to review these deletions — I'm willing to help out with it, but I'm not going to revert all of them by myself. Bearcat (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Image callout

So as you all know, we only have a couple weeks left to be image compliant. At User:East718/DFUI/Logos we've created a list of all logos lacking full fair-use rationales (read article backlinks). I see a lot of them are radio station logos. Could this project pitch in and help with the backlog? MBisanz talk 03:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Auto archiving

Unless someone expresses a problem, I'll be setting this talk page u[ for auto archiving. I'll probably do it for discussions over 60 days old and have yearly archives. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

That would be appreciated--Rtphokie (talk) 22:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Much appreciated. JPG-GR (talk) 22:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
OK the bot ran and created a batch in the 2007 archive. I repackaged /archives, /Archive 2, /Archive 3 and /Archive 4 into /Archive 2005, /Archive 2006 and /Archive 2007. I'll delete the old ones in a few days. I updated the archive box to point to the new archives. Vegaswikian (talk) 08:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

FM station data template

Anyone know anything about {{FM station data}}? It doesn't seem necessary to me and it's coloring and overall design doesn't fit very well.--Rtphokie (talk) 17:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

No, but there's a similar {{AM station data}} that I've quietly removed from the one article in which I encountered it. It's a nice idea in need of much better execution. - Dravecky (talk) 07:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Ugh, there are over 200 articles that use these templates. I started reverting them to use the existing FCC, Radio Locater, and Arbitron templates instead but even with AWB it's a fairly manual process (I'm no C# coder). I gave up and instead updated {{FM station data}} and {{AM station data}} to appear as bulleted lists instead of the brown box Also added a note on these teamplate's talk pages with an invitation to discuss any changes here. Upon further reflection I agree it's a nice idea that could save some keystrokes but it needs more work before rolling it out on hundreds of pages.--Rtphokie (talk) 15:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
For CDBS, at least, you really want to do the search by FIN rather than by callsign. 121a0012 (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Radio Market templates with links to disambiguation pages

Hi. While cleaning up items on Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/from templates, I noticed that several of the templates listed there (Template:Houston Radio for example) fall under the range of WikiProject Radio Stations and thought that handling of the disambig of these might be done more efficiently (and more accurately) by members of this project. Just thought I would bring it to your attention and see if this task was of interest for the project's to-do list. Best wishes. -Gwguffey (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's certainly something we could be tackling. I just finished cleaning up the Houston template and I'll put the others on my to-do list. Of course, the more folks that care to jump in and fix these, the merrier. - Dravecky (talk) 20:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I've made a note on the list's talk page they you guys are going to swing by. I'll move on to other topics. Happy Editing. -Gwguffey (talk) 02:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I've just spent all evening fixing about 100 of these templates and my eyes are starting to cross. I made it about halfway through that list and by my count there are only about 70 left to do. (Start at #631 (Template:Trenton Radio) if you jump in.) Oh, and {{Bridgeport Radio}} got skipped by mistake. So make that 71 to do. It's 4am here and I'm headed to sleep. - Dravecky (talk) 10:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's the list, please mark out what has been completed:

  1. Template:Alaska Panhandle Radio
  2. Template:Ann Arbor Radio
  3. Template:Appleton-Oshkosh Radio
  4. Template:BBC Radio 1
  5. Template:Bloomington IL Radio
  6. Template:Bowling Green Radio
  7. Template:Bridgeport Radio
  8. Template:Brunswick Radio
  9. Template:Calexico Radio
  10. Template:Cedar Rapids Radio}
  11. Template:Classic Rock Radio Stations in Minnesota
  12. Template:Columbus-Starkville-West Point Radio
  13. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Arkansas
  14. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Florida
  15. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Idaho
  16. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Mississippi
  17. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Montana
  18. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Oklahoma
  19. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in South Carolina
  20. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Tennessee
  21. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Utah
  22. Template:Contemporary Hit Radio Stations in Washington
  23. Template:Dance Radio stations
  24. Template:Decatur Radio
  25. Template:Dubuque Radio
  26. Template:Eau Claire Radio
  27. Template:Elmira-Corning Radio
  28. Template:Florida Keys Radio
  29. Template:Ft. Walton Beach Radio
  30. Template:Hastings Radio
  31. Template:Jackson TN Radio
  32. Template:Joplin Radio
  33. Template:Juneau Radio
  34. Template:Kingston Radio
  35. Template:Knoxville Radio
  36. Template:LaSalle-Peru Radio
  37. Template:La Crosse Radio
  38. Template:Lake Ponchartrain Radio
  39. Template:Las Cruces Radio
  40. Template:Laughlin Radio
  41. Template:Lebanon-Rutland-White River Junction Radio
  42. Template:Marion-Carbondale (Southern IL) Radio
  43. Template:Maui Radio
  44. Template:Meridian Radio
  45. Template:New Haven Radio
  46. Template:North Platte Radio
  47. Template:Northern Washington Radio
  48. Template:Odessa-Midland Radio
  49. Template:Ohio college radio
  50. Template:Olean Radio
  51. Template:Owensboro Radio
  52. Template:Panama City Radio
  53. Template:Portsmouth Radio
  54. Template:Public Radio International
  55. Template:Quad Cities Radio
  56. Template:Rapid City Radio
  57. Template:Rockford Radio
  58. Template:Salina-Manhattan Radio
  59. Template:Shreveport Radio
  60. Template:Sioux City Radio
  61. Template:South Central Alaska Radio
  62. Template:Southside VA Radio
  63. Template:Sunbury-Selinsgrove-Lewisburg Radio
  64. Template:Terre Haute Radio
  65. Template:Topeka Radio
  66. Template:Trenton Radio
  67. Template:Waterloo-Cedar Falls Radio
  68. Template:Watertown SD Radio
  69. Template:Yakima Radio

--Rtphokie (talk) 16:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the work that you guys did on this. -Gwguffey (talk) 03:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

-FM1 ?

Time for another question for one of the experts here. What does the -FM1 extension to a callsign mean? The only one I've come across is: WMEX-FM1. Is it a typo or does this mean something special? I was surprised to see a 16 watt station designated class D (wouldn't that be LP)?--Rtphokie (talk) 01:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I first encountered this at WGZB-FM and learned that it's how the FCC designates a station's on-channel broadcast translator. - Dravecky (talk) 01:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I just moved the page back to WMEX, the actual call sign of the station. The -FM1 and -FM2 extensions mean that it is a booster station, which broadcasts the same signal on the same frequency - usually to extend the coverage area. That's why the ERP was so low. What I find strange about this station is that both booster transmitters are located within the range of the parent transmitter, and do not seem to provide any additional coverage. --Scott Alter 02:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Booster stations are like translator stations, just on the same frequency as their parent. The purpose of them is to fill in the dead area, I don't know how fashionable they are these days, usually it's too difficult to run them (they can't interfer with the parent signal, so most owners go the translator route, they can't send the signal via internet or anything but a highly direction antenna with a radio tuned to the frequency). I don't even think the WMEX boosters are on the air. Mr mark taylor (talk) 03:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Boosters must be within the station's theoretical protected contour, by law. Sometimes, particularly in mountainous terrain, the theoretical contour encompasses populated areas which are well outside of the actual contour. In this case, a booster may be used. For example, KHYZ in Mountain Pass, California, was built where it was specifically to allow for a 2.5-kW booster on Black Mountain in Henderson, Nevada, from which it will serve as a Las Vegas station. If you'd prefer an example of something that already exists, KOAS in Dolan Springs, Arizona exists only to serve a booster, KOAS-FM1, on the Stratosphere. Similarly, numerous stations in the Salt Lake City market have full class-C facilities on Humpy Peak, which in actuality serves no populated places whatsoever, but which allows the stations to operate high-power boosters up and down the Salt Lake valley. WRKI in Brookfield, Connecticut has boosters on the fringes of its service area—no terrain blockage required—in Bridgeport and Norwalk. 121a0012 (talk) 04:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
As far as the WMEX boosters go, I know both of them have been on the air in the past (I know the station's owner, Dennis Jackson). The Rochester booster is located on the roof of the building in downtown Rochester where the studios are located, and was off the air for a while so that interference issues could be resolved. 121a0012 (talk) 04:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and note also that boosters are entirely distinct from translators, at least in a regulatory sense. 121a0012 (talk) 04:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Interesting stuff, thanks for the information.--Rtphokie (talk) 14:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Simulcast stations

There are a number of large networks, many of which are religious formatted from what I've seen, we should consider collapsing into a single article. I'm talking about instances where there are a bunch (several dozen in some cases) of fully licensed stations that do not appear to produce any of local content. Localized sounders or station ids don't count either. If 100% of the content is produced at some flagship station, I'm thinking that the network stations articles should be merged into either the flagship station's page or the network's page (if one exists). An less than complete list:

  • Radio Lazer
  • Entravision Super Estrella
  • NPR News and Classical Music
  • NPR Ideas Network
  • VCY America
  • Air1 (EMF)
  • American Family
  • BBN (Bible Broadcasting Network)
  • Jack FM
  • Good News Network
  • High Plains Public Radio
  • Jimmy Swaggart Ministries
  • Northwestern College
  • Radio Campesina
  • Relevant Radio

Don't get me wrong. If there is local news or some other locally produced content (heck I'll even count "radio swap shop" in a pinch), then that station is contributing to the local community enough to be notable. But if it's all produced elsewhere and the only purpose the station serves is to extend the reach of the network, then it needs to be merged into the parent article. It's often difficult to tell which of these stations actually have local content and which don't, just based on their websites or even listening to them as these often tiny stations often go to great lengths to appear more notable than they really are. Anyone have some experience with this kind of radio (either religious radio or network radio in general), interested in helping tackle this? Any tips on determining the flagship station would be appreciated as well. Networks which have had merge proposal tags added to all station pages are striked out above. --Rtphokie (talk) 16:22, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Unless a station provides a reasonable amount of local programming or has an important history before being acquired by the greater network, I agree. However, before you merge any of these outright, be sure to use the appropriate {{merge}} tag, as there may be more to some stations than the articles show at the moment, and we should be sure no one watching them has anything to add first. JPG-GR (talk) 18:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Most of the station/networks (Mainly the religious ones) utilize FM translators (which cannot broadcast their own programming) so those should be redirects anyway. Stations that carry programming like ESPN Radio and Fox Sports are on full powered FM & AM stations and many carry local programming/commercials. If it's a regional network of stations that simulcast (religious or otherwise), the outlying stations should just redirect to the main station. Mr mark taylor (talk) 22:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Add K-LOVE and Bible Broadcasting Network to the list. JPG-GR (talk) 20:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Rare is the sports/talk station that carries a pure ESPN Radio or FOX Sports Radio program schedule. Most originate some programming, offer a mix of other programming (even if it's not always unique), and carry local or regional sports programming. This makes a simple re-direct problematic or inappropriate for these stations. - Dravecky (talk) 23:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Again, I'm only talking about stations that carry 100% content provided by a single network source with no locally produced content at all. Those that carry 100% content provided by some other stations is another topic because, as you mention, it's difficult to redirect them somewhere else appropriate.--Rtphokie (talk) 23:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The analogy that comes to my mind as I look at it is similar to a television station that has an extensive network of repeaters (KUSA-TV is an excellent example). The central station (or in this case, the "network" or programmer) would be the core article, but not only would the individual stations be listed in those core articles, but the individual station entries would redirect to that network article (for completion-sake more than anything else). --Mhking (talk) 13:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, this is very similar to what's already done for television services (e.g. TVOntario or Vermont Public Television) which broadcast the same content over a large network of transmitters with no local variance in programming. In the television context, it most commonly applies to educational (e.g. Canadian provincial broadcasters, statewide American PBS affiliates) or religious networks. Bearcat (talk) 06:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
If I am not mistaken (and since I don't listen, I probably am) I think WYFT does some form of local programming. I think it is your run-of-the-mill local religious program, but it is local. I would have to check on Wednesday when they come back from Christmas (nothing happens here on the 24th or 25th), but on the 26th, I will check to make sure. - NeutralHomer T:C 03:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Radio Disney is another one. Just my two cents before I go back to work. Happy holidays. --EnronsBack (talk) 01:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Radio Disney is really a different case. Nearly every station that runs Radio Disney programming has a distinct history as a commercial station (in some cases, like WMKI in Boston, as a fairly important station in the market's history). It's important not to lose this history in the rush to make everything a redirect to Radio Disney. I would note that only a very small number of Radio Disney affiliates (and no O&Os at all) run local programming; the only one I know of at the moment is WOLF et al. in Syracuse, and that's only a few hours a week. The typical Radio Disney "studio" consists of two rackmount servers and a satellite receiver, but the typical Radio Disney station is a heritage AM that fell on hard times (viz., WMKI, WOLF, WQEW, WDDZ, WRDZ, etc.). 121a0012 (talk) 05:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Also some Radio Disney stations air programming outside of the Radio Disney Network. For the longest time WHKT in Portsmouth, Virginia aired Norfolk Admirals hockey and Norfolk Tides baseball. It is probably true of other stations too, that they (currently) air sports or other programming.
But the long histories of some of the stations, like 121a0012 said, puts the Radio Disney stations in a different category and shouldn't be merged. - NeutralHomer T:C 17:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Salem Radio operates 3 different networks - a News/Talk, Contemporary Christian Music, and Religious Talk. The News/talk stations definitely do not meet this proposed criteria. While the bulk of the weekday programming is the same on many of their Owned and Operated stations (Bennett/Gallagher/Medved/Hewitt/Prager), the weekend programming is primarily brokered programming, most of which is locally produced (doctors, lawyers, car repair shops, health food stores, etc...).StreamingRadioGuide (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Air America? Most AAR stations carry only a handful of programs from the network and of the ones that do carry heavy AAR schedules almost all of them that I've encountered air at least some locally-originated programming. - Dravecky (talk) 00:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

"Jack" is a licensed brand name (owned in the U.S. by Bob "Cadillac Jack" Perry) and format concept, not a programming service. 121a0012 (talk) 04:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Radio lists

Could I potentially ask for some help converting the various lists of Canadian radio stations to the same table format that's now in use on the American radio lists? I'm finding it an exceedingly tedious job to do all by myself, to the point where I simply can't stand to convert more than five or six stations per day anymore (at which rate it'll take about three weeks just to finish List of radio stations in Ontario alone). For what it's worth, Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia are the really horrible, time-and-soul-sucking "I'M AT N AND STILL HAVE 90 COMMUNITIES OF LICENSE TO GO?!?!?" ones that are most daunting my will to live — Prince Edward Island is already done, and the other nine lists could all be done start-to-finish in 20 minutes to an hour each if I had any patience left. Bearcat (talk) 09:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

When I did the state lists, I was using the FCC database and dumping all the info into the tables. If Canada has a similar database, I could probably adapt it. JPG-GR (talk) 00:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The primary broadcast database for Canadian stations, Industry Canada's Spectrum Direct, isn't structured the same way as the FCC's (for example, you can't do a geographic search by city of license, but only by the latitude and longitude coordinates of the transmitter, and searches don't produce a linkable URL that can be used for anything comparable to the {{FMQ}} template), so I don't know if it lends itself to the same approach. We compiled the lists primarily by doing a dump from RadioStationWorld and then adjusting for any known changes or inaccuracies. So, in practice, reformatting the lists primarily involves cutting and pasting the existing list line by line, which is why it's such a tedious job for one person. Bearcat (talk) 04:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Back when I looked into incorporating Canada into my own database, I discovered that the CRTC does not maintain a publicly available list of stations which they license, which is quite an amazing situation for such a progressive nation. To get a complete list, you have to purchase it from a third party supplier, so I dropped Canada from my directory.StreamingRadioGuide (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Part of the problem is that the CRTC doesn't actually regulate the technical aspects of Canadian broadcasting; it's only responsible for ownership and content regulations. Industry Canada is actually responsible for things like assigning call signs, determining which frequencies can be used in which locations, determining where transmitters can and can't be located, etc., so a database anything like the FCC's would require coordination across multiple bodies. Bearcat (talk) 06:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm still looking for help getting these converted. Ontario, Prince Edward Island, Northwest Territories and Nunavut are done, which leaves British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador and Yukon. Bearcat (talk) 06:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

WNTK

Can an admin thats part of this project swap WNTK and WNTK-FM? WNTK should redirect to WNTK-FM (not the other way around), that's the official call letters and I (stupidly) redirected WNTK-FM to WNTK before I researched and discovered the actual call letters (It's an -FM because the current WCNL was WNTK until last year). Mr mark taylor (talk) 14:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

List it at WP:RM in the Uncontroversial section. I'm not aware of any (active) admins who are part of WP:WPRS. JPG-GR (talk) 18:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Moved. Can someone cleanup the double redirects? Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that's got it. - Dravecky (talk) 03:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm an active admin. Maybe the members list on the front page should include some kind of notation so that project members know who they can approach if they need admin help. Bearcat (talk) 21:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Air Force Academy radio station

I'm not finding an FCC record for KAFA-FM though the article claims they broadcast on 97.7. Is this station still broadcasting or is it a case of some unlicensed, low power, campus only broadcast. Are the rules different because it's technically a military station?--Rtphokie (talk) 13:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like another low power, campus only operation...I have no idea if it's on but radio-locator, fccinfo.com and the FCC database have no idea it exists, however if you go here and click on query and enter the call letters, KAFA are calls assigned to the US Government, what this exactly means, I have no idea. Mr mark taylor (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps it's like KPSU (Portland) which is a branding for leased time on another station unlike the licensed college station KPSU (FM). - Dravecky (talk) 02:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:WJDV2007.jpg

Image Copyright problem

Thanks for uploading Image:WJDV2007.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 04:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

The uploader has retired from Wikipedia.--Rockfang (talk) 04:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the tag as the image description clearly states that the image was taken from the station's website. I added a link to that website[2] to the description. - Dravecky (talk) 05:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The tag was put back on because the FUR didn't list the article I guess. I used the FUR template and included the disputed info. The image shouldn't be retagged again, I did all my uploads the same way and that usually takes care of it. RobDe68 (talk) 03:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Premiere Radio vs. Premier Radio

When referring to Premiere Radio Networks (syndicator of Rush Limbaugh, Jim Rome, Bob and Tom, and other shows) in station articles, be careful to link to Premiere Radio Networks (the U.S. based, Clear Channel subsidiary) not Premier Radio, the UK based Christian radio network.--Rtphokie (talk) 13:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, Premier Radio is a dab so this is not an issue. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I just created those DABs and fixed the 111 articles that were referring to the UK based network that were intended to point to the US based one. It's always better to link to the correct article rather than a DAB. Just a heads up. --Rtphokie (talk) 20:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

renaming Tri-Cities Radio Template

I'd like to get some thoughts on renameing {{Tri-Cities Radio}} If you have opinions, please add them here: Template talk:Tri-Cities Radio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtphokie (talk • contribs) 12:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Bad article naming

Oh my. Some editor has moved WTHK (FM) to WTHK (FM) (Formerly known as WVAY FM) which, while factual, is one terrible name for an article. - Dravecky (talk) 07:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yikes, this screams move and merge or something else, WTHK is itself a simulcast of WEXP so maybe the two should be merged together. Theres also a translator that should be merged into WTHK.Mr mark taylor (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Yuck! WTHK (FM) has been CSD tagged so that this can be moved back (the article should be named WTHK (FM)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtphokie (talk • contribs) 15:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll try and fix this somewhat, but if you follow the links you find several stations that changed frequencies and they didn't keep the history with the frequency. Can't really undo that now as there has been a ton of edits since. But I see no reason why that article shouldn't be called just WTHK. I'll add a "see also" to the top of the current page pointing to the defunct New Jersey station and drop the DAB page. Then we can move it to the proper name. RobDe68 (talk) 16:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Done. RobDe68 (talk) 23:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

U.S. radio market info

Where (if anywhere) is the market info on the various market templates and pages like List of radio stations in California by market area based on? Arbitron's website has information about how a particular market area is defined (looks like it's expressed by county) but I cant find a listing of the stations included in a particular market on Arbitron's website.

The closest thing I've found to that information is on Radio and Record website. For example a listing of market #120. Is that a complete listing of stations in the market? Is there a better source of information?

Ultimately I'd like to cleanup the market templates as there are probably some stations in these templates that aren't really part of the market (distant or fringe stations).

Proposal: once we have some consensus on what the best source of market data is, add a market column with that information to all the List of radio stations in state pages and treat these lists as canon (i.e. the place that gets updated first when the basics like formats, callsigns, frequency, market, etc. changes occur). Probably should also consider merging pages like List of radio stations in California by market area and List of radio stations in the Victor Valley into the a page like List of radio stations in California.

Thoughts?--Rtphokie (talk) 13:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The majority of the List of radio stations in STATE by market have been removed (in fact, at last check, California is the last one left, as an editor expressed some interest in working on it).
Long story short - it is impossible to place every station in one market and one market only, as many don't belong to any of the magic 302 and many reach many markets. In other words, there is no reasonable way to add a market column to List of radio stations in STATE, hence why it was excluded in the redesign.
As for the individual market templates... yeah, that's another battle entirely. JPG-GR (talk) 17:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I think there was a debate some time ago about splitting the template into in market stations heard and out of market stations heard. I can think of several stations you could put in 6 or 7 market templates, and on the flipside I can think of several stations that lie far enough outside the primary market area that don't make it in to the "metro" as they say (the primary county/counties of the market) Mr mark taylor (talk) 19:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
RadioStationWorld is a good source for radio stations sorted by market areas and regions, for example, this page has links to various lists of radio stations in each market area and region. Another source would be The Radio Book from Inside Radio/M Street Publications: the description of that book says it features "Stations Referenced by Market", but you can search their database, which shows the primary market associated with each radio station.
The Radio and Records website shows ratings information for each market, but those will often include stations which primarily serve a different market. This is especially true in smaller markets which are near larger markets. For example KGGI's primary market is Riverside/San Bernardino, but it is the highest rated station in the Victor Valley.
I was the editor who expressed interest in working on the market area lists, but I haven't been following up on it much due to work and life priorities which forced me to recently take an unplanned wikibreak for about a couple months. My idea was to have the market area lists be transcluded by the statewide lists, so that the market area lists would be the primary place for updates and the statewide lists would automatically reflect those lists. This would reflect the fact that editors typically will know about stations in their own particular market (but necessarily about stations in their state but outside their listening area). I think such lists would be more likely to get updated than a huge statewide list.
Unfortunately, most of these lists have been recently {{prod}}-ded, so I have asked that they be restored. I have just done a major update to List of radio stations in Stockton, a list which somehow avoided the PROD; you can see what the list would look like transcluded in a statewide list at User:DHowell/List of radio stations in California.
I would guesstimate that at least 90% of radio stations in the United States do belong to one primary market, even though they may be audible, and even get ratings, in multiple markets. The other 10% or less can be dealt with appropriately. For example, KKIQ serves the San Francisco market, but has a booster, KKIQ-FM2 in Tracy, part of the Stockton market. I've put the translator in the Stockton list, but in <noinclude> tags to prevent it from showing up in a statewide list transcluding this list.
For the case of stations which do not appear to belong to any rated market, they could be kept directly in the statewide lists, or lists could cover well-defined geographic regions which do not correspond to Arbitron markets. DHowell (talk) 13:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Closed circuit station notability?

Hey. WDVL was recently created, and although I cleaned it up a bit, I couldn't find much on the station. The station's sister station, WCVF-FM, mentions WDVL and says that it's closed circuit. Do closed circuit stations with a lack of secondary sourcing meet notability standards, or should the article be deleted? Or should we redirect the page to the sister page? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 22:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Unlicensed and no secondary sources? Delete - especially since there there's a WDVL which is currently undergoing construction in Danville, Indiana. JPG-GR (talk) 23:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
  • WTF is a Closed Circuit station anyway? This sounds like an unlicensed campus only radio station. WDVL probably wasn't assigned by the FCC as it's probably based on the university's Blue Devil mascot. It should be merged into WCVF-FM.--Rtphokie (talk) 23:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Closed Circut is usually done by transmitting via the electrical system in a college or campus area, so it's only receivable if you plug into the wall. Mr mark taylor (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Does it plug into a regular wall socket, or is it some kind of adapter? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Carrier current uses the building's electrical wiring to broadcast an AM signal. If the wiring isn't shielded, it will act as an antenna of sorts and you won't need to be plugged into the wall. Squidfryerchef (talk) 04:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Is this Carrier current, which I understood to be only available with AM, or some other technology? - Dravecky (talk) 00:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
      • It could be that, or a station thats carried over the campus cable tv network.Mr mark taylor (talk) 01:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  • While strictly speaking you couldn't have a carrier-current FM station, you could have a "leaky coax" system broadcasting an FM signal around campus and still meet the Part 15 rules. From Googling "WDVL AND 88.5" it sounds like they're doing something like that plus broadcating audio on one of the campus cable TV channels plus webcasting. Also it sounds like before that it used to be a carrier current AM station. I'm recommending a merge to WCVF-FM. Squidfryerchef (talk) 04:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

WLIR-FM

Over at WLIR-FM are 4 lists that (to me) scream WP:NOT#DIR. I don't want to outright delete them, but maybe someone can somehow incorperate them into the main article, or maybe they should just be deleted. I figured i'd get feedback here before deleting or rewriting. Mr mark taylor (talk) 01:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

These lists have been tagged since Sep 07. Apparently they aren't that important since noone has bothered to wikify them. They should be removed.--Rtphokie (talk) 16:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I've cleaned the article for a second time after an anonymous editor restored the lists JPG-GR had already removed. Some fraction of this info should be in the article but now as sprawling lists without context or assertions of notability. This may be one to keep a weather eye on. - Dravecky (talk) 16:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Market area list AfDs

Three California market area lists are up for deletion and I'd appreciate some more input in order to come to a consensus.

These AfDs may also decide the fate of several other lists, including lists for Los Angeles, San Francisco, and San Diego, which were recently PROD-ded and deleted due to my not managing to discover the PRODs before an admin deleted them. DHowell (talk) 03:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

KESR

This currently leads to KESR-FM, which is a radio station. KESR should be a disambiguation page, as the initials KESR were used for the Kent and East Sussex Railway, a railway in England in operation from 1901-1948, when it was nationalised, ans is now a heritage railway. Does anyone mind if I move KESR to KESR-FM and create KESR as a disambig page? Mjroots (talk) 15:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The official call sign of the station is "KESR," without the -FM - so it would be inappropriate to name the article "KESR-FM." If anything, it could be named "KESR (FM)," but I do not think this is necessary. I just edited the article to include a hatnote for Kent and East Sussex Railway. I do not think a disambig page is necessary for 2 reasons. First, from Wikipedia:Hatnote, "When two articles share the same title, the unambiguated article should include a hatnote with a link to the other article. It is not necessary to create a separate disambiguation page. {{otheruses4}} may be used for this." Since there are only 2 articles, a disambig page is not necessary. Second, KESR is the actual name of the station, whereas it is only the abbreviation of the railway. For this reason, I would keep the radio station at KESR. The hatnote should be sufficient for disambiguation. --Scott Alter 17:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I strongly concur with Scott Alter. I've also done some overdue cleanup to that article and its Results Radio of Redding sister stations. - Dravecky (talk) 22:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
The hatnote will work fine. Radio stations are outside my area of knowledge, which is why I asked first! Mjroots (talk) 07:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Bay City-Freeport Radio

Did I miss a discussion for the deletion of the {{Bay City-Freeport Radio}} template? I've looked back through two months of archived debates and find no trace. Unexpected deletions like this are sometimes the canary in the coalmine before a wave of attacks on the project's infrastructure. What's the procedure for getting this un-deleted, if there was no TfD discussion? - Dravecky (talk) 04:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Update: I see it was speedily deleted citing CSD T3. I can't imagine how this criteria fits the template in question. - Dravecky (talk) 04:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

You'll probably want to check out WP:DELREV - not an area I frequent much, so I don't have much to tell you about it. JPG-GR (talk) 04:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Deleting admin also missed the talk page. JPG-GR (talk) 04:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
After a brief communication, the deleting admin has restored the template without comment. - Dravecky (talk) 14:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:AMRL

It's been made redundant by {{AML}} and is now no longer in use so Template:AMRL has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Dravecky (talk) 15:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

RadioStationsProject: Articles of unclear notability

Hello, there are currently 12 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I've knocked down a bunch of these but KEOS (Flagstaff, Arizona), KDSU (internet radio), CHES-FM, and Link FM still need some attention and wikilove. - Dravecky (talk) 23:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
For KEOS, see the archives for this page; it was previously identified as belong in another article. 121a0012 (talk) 04:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

AFDs

There are a number of Afds involving radio stations that could use some feedback from WPRS members. There are a couple involving some local radio shows in the Washington DC area that could use some input (and/or article improvement) from folks familiar with that market

The easiest way to access these AFDs is: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Radio

--Rtphokie (talk) 19:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Need some assistance

All of the Canadian radio-stations-by-province lists have now been fully converted to the sortable table format (although some improvement still needs to happen). The problem at this point is that the list for Quebec won't actually sort on the "format" column — but I'm having trouble figuring out what's causing the problem. Any chance somebody could help me track this down? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 09:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look later this afternoon. You're probably missing some column bars in one line - which will affect everything, unfortunately. JPG-GR (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I figured that's likely the case — my original request also included the Alberta and British Columbia lists, both of which I fixed by finding exactly that error. But I've gone through the Quebec list with a fine-toothed comb a few times now and still can't seem to find the offending line or lines. Probably one of those cases where I'm trying so hard that I completely miss what I'm actually looking for, or something. Bearcat (talk) 19:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Y Done. JPG-GR (talk) 21:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Much obliged. Bearcat (talk) 21:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

European Radio Network

We've ended up with two separate articles about this new radio network, one at European Radio Network and one at Euranet. I've proposed merging the two, and the creator of the second one has agreed with the explanation that they simply didn't know that we had an article at the other title — but neither of us is 100 per cent sure which title should be kept and which title should be redirected. Could somebody come help us sort it out at Talk:European Radio Network? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 03:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Spelling on radio station articles

Someone (or multiple someones) on this project are adding a lot of "it's" where "its" is meant to radio station articles. I'm only bringing this up here because it's hard to tell who is doing it, but it's clear that there is either one very prolific editor on this project who doesn't know that "it's" means "it is" or "it has", or there are multiple editors here who don't know.

This is an encyclopedia, and new entries should be spelled correctly when possible. These errors are old enough that they've been indexed by Google. A quick Google search today showed that roughly 12% of all "it's"/"its" confusion on Wikipedia comes from this WikiProject. Because radio station articles do not represent 12% of all Wikipedia articles, the amount of misspelling/mis-punctuation is disproportionate. The Pokemon WikiProject used to have the worst record for spelling (and this project was about third-worst), but with the deletion of most of the Pokemon articles, the Radio Station WikiProject has now taken the lead in misspelling.

The radio station articles are improving, but please... if you see someone adding poor spelling to an article, please fix it and tell the editor who is doing it, too. Firsfron of Ronchester 20:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Care to be a little more specific? Like provide any single example so we can figure out who the culprit is? JPG-GR (talk) 21:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
After looking at the contribs of Firsfron re: it's/its (several of the pages are on my watchlist) it's been several editors (including me, I'll admit to being sloppy at times) but this is only based on a handful of edits to radio station articles. Mr mark taylor (talk) 22:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I started noticing the it's/its confusion on radio station articles in 2006, and corrected several hundred of them. The same thing happened throughout 2007.
I was reluctant to say anything until I realized I would be correcting these indefinitely unless editors here knew of the problem. Although I only corrected a few today, Google pulls up hundreds. Nearly always, a preposition followed by "it's" is incorrect (there are a few exceptions). A google search for "from it's" or "to it's" pulls up CHUB-FM, KTEP, KTWV, WEGP, WHSN, WKSS, WTOX, WZRT, Woxy.com. "With it's", "without it's", "near it's", "by it's", "around it's", "under it's", "over it's" and dozens of other prepositions will also pull up these mistakes.
Obviously, we all get sloppy at times, and no one should be made to feel bad for silly typos, but these results show up on Google, and the project which the greatest portion of it's/its confusion is coming from is this one, now that the Pokemon pages have been deleted. It's just something to watch out for. Firsfron of Ronchester 23:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)