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Project name

For consistency's sake, I would recommend that this project be moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject New York. See Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/State-level WikiProjects. — Jonathan Kovaciny (talk|contribs) 15:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I have no problems with that. My only concern is that if it's moved to WP:New York, then some editors might think this is the WikiProject for New York City, not for all of New York State. --TMF T - C 19:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
On second thought, if the intro is written well enough, it should be apparent that this is the statewide New York WP and not the project for New York City regardless of what the WikiProject is called. I'll make the move to WP:New York. --TMF T - C 20:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to new WikiProject

A new WikiProject has been started, and may be of interest to members here. It is WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. It covers all listings on the Register, in all states and territories. Should you be so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. -Ebyabe 19:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Geography of New York?

It occurs to me looking around the articles I've been tagging with the project banner that we could, and should, have a comprehensive Geography of New York article. Maybe this could be our first collaboration. Anyone interested? Daniel Case 12:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd definitely be interested in helping to work on an article like this, considering how much could be written about the geography in the state. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 13:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

If you want a good example of how this can be done, see Geography of Texas. Daniel Case 12:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

climate section

{{climate}}

The article New York lacks a section on climate. Jcam 21:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

This is exactly the sort of thing that should go in a geography of New York article. Daniel Case 07:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Upcoming NYC Meetup

You wanted to know when the next meetup was being organized in New York City. Plan for Saturday, 9 December 2006. While you're at it. Come help us decide on a restaurant. See: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC. Spread the word. Thanks. —ExplorerCDT 22:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Photo request

The corner of Columbus and West 66 St apparently now has a sign that says "Peter Jenning Way," illustrated here: Image:Pjw.jpg. However, as this is a fair use image, I was wondering if someone could go out there and take another shot. Hbdragon88 03:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Photo request #2

see Talk:Tompkins Square Park. It would be nice to have a photo of the monument for the General Slocum boating disaster. Thanks. --BLueFiSH ✉ 03:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Orphanages in NY State, er New York Botanical Garden

I added a WP:NY banner to the New York Botanical Garden article as requested by a user on the WP:Plants talk page. KP Botany 03:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Project pages?

Hey All - quick question here - is there some way, or some page, that lists all of the sites with the wikiproject:new york banner on them? I've been adding the project banner to a number of sites (mainly capital district ones, such as the NYSM) and have found many which should have the banner do not. I would like to become more active within this project, and find such lists to be useful. In the interim, I've been using the New York portal, which is great starting point. Peace -- Oaxaca dan 16:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Ratings

I started giving out ratings to pages I frequent. Obviously, if anyone thinks something should change, go ahead and do it. I'm kinda guessing at the moment, and until we have a broader sample of rated articles, it'll be difficult to assess importance. Anyway, Thanks TwinsMetsFan for enabling the rating system. -- Oaxaca dan 04:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


Binghamton project

I have a proposal out for a Binghamton project: WikiPedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Binghamton. So far not a lot of interest. Would it be better to have it as a Task Force of the NY project first and then become a separate project? Cheesebox 19:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I have withdrawn the Binghamton proposal due to lack of interest. Cheesebox 15:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Moe Berg FAR

Moe Berg has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

New York State Education Department

Hi, New York Wikipedians! The article New York State Education Department needs some cleanup work. The Office of Teaching Initiatives section may have been copied from another website, five subsections that don't seem to belong have been placed in the Mentoring Requirement section, and the latter half of the artcle is written in an unencyclopedic tone. Maybe a New York editor with knowledge about the department can improve the article. --Albany NY 00:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I made some changes. Hope that helps. Kafziel Talk 12:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

New articles

Dear Wikipedians, a list of possible New York-related articles found by bot is available at User:AlexNewArtBot/NewYorkSearchResult. Colchicum 14:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Maps?

I notice many other states have standardized maps of town and city locations. Towns in New York, however, seem to be mostly lacking maps. Perhaps this could be a project? Mycroft7 19:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Notability standards for small hamlets

In the wake of a contentious deletion debate over Michigan Corners, New York, I have been advised to bring up the issue here as to when a hamlet has enough notability to merit a separate article (We have many local toponyms in lists at the ends of town articles; some probably do merit.

Based on my unsuccessful arguments in that AfD, I propose the following as possible indicators of notability for small unincorporated communities in New York state that are not already census-designated places:

  • Eponymous ZIP Code, fire/fire protection district, local road, business or public school.
  • Official NYSDOT sign on road leading into area.
  • Historical status as more populous than present, or formerly formally incorporated (say that ten times fast!).

While I feel that one of these alone (particularly from the list in the first bullet point) will not be enough, two or more could probably establish that it's notable enough to be a separate article. Any discussion? Daniel Case 18:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Well Daniel, I had hoped that by listing this here you would have gotten some kind of feedback. Unfortunately, it seems that hope was in vain. Just to let you know what happens in WP:WPWI, basically any community is considered sufficiently noteworthy to warrant mention in WP, if not in its own article, then in an article that covers communities within some relevant grouping. For example, Unincorporated communities in Eau Claire County, Wisconsin is presently just a listing of all the unincorporated communities I know of off the top of my head in the county where I live. When I (or someone else) find)s( time, the "list" can be fleshed out to cover each of the communities in more depth than simply mentioning the communities' names in a list. If the section on some community becomes too large, it can be split off to its own article, or if the section say, for the Town of Brunswick gets huge while the others languish, that section could be broken out as Unincorporated communities in Brunswick, Wisconsin (for more about naming conventions for Wisconsin articles, you'll hafta through the talk archives at WP:WPWI...we really should spell them out somewhere...) It's this mindset that led to my strong opposition to the deletion of the Michigan Corners article, and to my opposition to the suggestion that it be merged with Scotchtown, New York (i.e., because it is not in Scotchtown, it is only nearby. It can be mentioned in Scotchtown, but not merged with it...at least not until Scotchtown decides to annex it.) Cheers, Tomertalk 15:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

FAR of Niagara Falls

Niagara Falls has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. V60 干什么？ · 喝掉的酒 · ER 4 00:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Large sections of the article not sourced. The extensive (and informative) Formation section has only three inline cites, even though it contains such statements as "Some controversy exists over which European first gave a written, eyewitness description of the Falls", and "There is credible evidence, however . . . .", with no supporting reference. The next section, Impact on industry and commerce, is similarly sparse in citations despite a huge amount of information. Much of the balance of the article suffers from the same problem. I have the impression that original contributors just felt the mention of Encyclopedia Britannica at the bottom was sufficient. As it stands now, readers can't be certain of the accuracy and verifiability of much of the article's content, and/or there should be concerns about WP:COPYVIO. I'm surprised it was rated FA.
It might be a good idea to initiate an intensive effort to take each section and source it with inline cites as quickly and as thoroughly as possible. Otherwise much of it should be deleted since it has been tagged for nearly seven months with little or no improvements.
—  Jim Dunning  talk  :  17:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hiding TOC

19-Aug-2007: I've noticed, this weekend, the Table-of-Contents (TOC) "[hide]" option has been fixed to allow shrinking/hiding the TOC detail lines. This change will require reformatting thousands of articles to auto-reformat image/text placement, but we knew this day would come, and so it has. I have begun editing articles, with explanation "Allow HIDDEN Table of Contents.." noting, for each article, the changes to allow Hide/Show TOC. An easy fix is to stack the earlier right-side images/tables (as a series of "Image:" and table definitions) near the top of the article, depending on top paragraphs to provide filler text. The text-clipping glitch might also have been fixed for small-then-large image stacking; otherwise, make images similar size or put smaller images after large. Images later in the article should auto-reformat fine, as is, without moving them. -Wikid77 21:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Who's stub is it?

How should an article such as Buffalo Airfield be tagged stub wise? As an Airport stub or New York stub? Gamer9678 01:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Both. Articles can be tagged with multiple relevant stubs, within reason. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Assessment and peer review request

Hello all! I have recently greatly expanded and cleaned up the article on the New York City Transit Police. I would appreciate comments. Thank You --- Rebel3986 03:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

History Buffs

I've been scanning postcards from 1906, 1907, many from New York state. See commons:User:Parkerdr/CHM I've added some of them to existing articles, e.g. Oneida Society, New York State Executive Mansion. Is there anyone who would like to help place them in relevant articles? Parkerdr 16:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Parkerdr, thanks for scanning those. I just placed your scanned postcard of the Oneida Community's main building into the recently created Oneida Community Mansion House article, which was lacking a picture. It's part of WikiProject National Register of Historic Places; i've been contributing to articles within NYS National Historic Landmks.doncram 18:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Excellent. It's been a history/geography lesson for me, trying to place these cards. Parkerdr 00:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for pictures

If someone near Canandaigua has pictures or can take pictures of New York State Route 245 for the article, that'd be great, as it would, IMO, put the article over the proverbial top. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 02:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I have an additional request for anyone in NYC - we're looking for a free photo of the Lester Patrick Trophy which resides at Madison Square Garden. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 04:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Photo request Tompkins Square Park

see Talk:Tompkins Square Park. It would be nice to have a photo of the monument for the General Slocum boating disaster. Thanks. --BLueFiSH ✉ 15:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Project Proposal: NYS Landmarks

The wikiproject page lists no projects in the section for projects. How about this one: Develop to "Start" quality standard an article for every National Historic Landmark and every State Historical Site in NYS. There currently is a stub article for each of the 256 or so NHLs, and for each of the 37 SHSs, which overlap. These are listed here. Many need photos (although New York County, Orange County and Poughkeepsie counties are pretty well covered). Many need writing done, drawing on sources already linked in the stubs, and drawing on new sources. doncram 01:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Governors of New York

At List of Governors of New York and some of the NY governor's bio articles, somebody has edited in the wrong dates. Example: George Pataki has January 1, 1995 to January 1, 2007; it should be January 1, 1995 to December 31, 2006. Can someone check into these articles? GoodDay 23:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Province of New York

The project description talks about the "State of New York". What about the Province of New York? (New York before it became a state in 1776). Does this project include New York before 1776? BradMajors 04:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Adirondack Park a State Park?

Please see this discussion at Adirondack Park Mirboj (talk) 07:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

New contributor would benefit from interaction with others from NY State

Hi, New Yorkers. User:Dryamaka has contributed to several NYS articles. He and I have been going round and round concerning an entry on the list of notable residents in Amsterdam (city), New York. I think it would be useful for him to get some feedback from other NYS contributors. See User talk:Dryamaka. --Orlady (talk) 16:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Collapse of the World Trade Center GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles and just reviewed Collapse of the World Trade Center. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article if several issues are addressed. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues concerning sourcing and the lead that should be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I am leaving this message at this project page, along with the other relevant task forces/WikiProjects to the article, since the article falls under this topic and figured you might be interested in helping to improve the article further. The article needs just a few more inline citations and some minor cleanup, and if fixed, I'll pass the article. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page, and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Hudson Valley

The project was created, but there is very little interest and not much scope. I am wondering whether it would be more appropriate as a task force of this project. If you'd wish to comment, feedback would be appreciated here. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedian NYC Meetup

New York City Meetup


Next: Sunday March 16th, Columbia University area
Last: 1/13/2008
This box: view • talk • edit

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, and have salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.--Pharos (talk) 23:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Leonardsville, NY

I was surprised to see that the entry for Leonardsville, NY makes no mention of Ebenezer Talbot and the cattle-breeding farm(s?) he owned, which I recall from my childhood in Leonardsville (1943-1947) as having been at that time the major industry in the area. I hope someone with authoritative knowledge on the matter can add a bit to this entry.

74.71.98.4 (talk) 02:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Mark A. Brown

Massena - Town or City?

Is Massena a town or a city. Someone has replaced all references to "town" with "city". All references I can find show it to be a town. Has this changed? -- Tcncv (talk) 02:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The same IP who changed it to 'city' then began vandalizing the article and making test edits. This, along with the official website you gave in your edit summary on the page, which clearly says 'town', leads me to conclude that it is in fact still a town. (I've gone and changed the article back to the original). AlexiusHoratius (talk) 03:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Tcncv (talk) 01:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Article for inclusion?

I'm editing the article about Judith Kaye. On Talk:Judith Kaye there's no "WikiProject New York" box. I don't know enough about the WikiProject to know whether this is deliberate or just an oversight. JamesMLane t c 14:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Probably an oversight. I see no reason she wouldn't be included. Powers T 19:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The leading section of Geography of New York

I find it WAY too long, in fact I feel unconfortable reading it can somebody tag it proberly? Because I don't the proper tag. 82.148.70.2 (talk) 12:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

There actually is no intro to the article, what you're thinking of as the intro is actually the main body of the article. Some time today I'll try to cobble together some sort of introduction, and then maybe add section divisions, which should help the problem. AlexiusHoratius (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
The tag to use is {{intro-missing}}, FYI. Powers T 20:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Lewis E. Parsons, 19th governor of Alabama

His wikipage says he's born in Boone County, New York. But this county doesn't exist now. Has it ever been a county in New York? Can someone at this project clarify this? Thanks. --Tesscass (talk) 20:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)