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[edit] New Category thought

Does anybody else see a need or reason (besides me) for anew category called something like "Korean War Military Units"? It would provide an easy way to quickly identify all of the military units that participated in the Korean War, regardless of country. With all of the countries that had units participate in the Korean War, trying to track them down is a bit of a chore. Any body have any ideas or opinions on the subject? wbfergus 15:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems standard enough; it should be Category:Military units and formations of the Korean War under Category:Military units and formations by war (see WP:MILHIST#Units and formations). Kirill Lokshin 16:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category problems

I was just browsing the categories, wanting to see if any North Korean miltary units had pages yet, and if so, how they were categorized, and discovered a problem I'm not sure how to fix other than by sheer brute force (manual labor). Hopefully somebody knows an easy way to correct it and can accomplish it. Under the category "Military of Korea", there is "Military of North Korea", which in turn contains "Military History of North Korea". Both of the last two also contain the category "Korean War", so that it is double-categorized. Also, another duplicate is with "Military of North Korea", which has "Korean People's Army" with a sub-category of "Korean People's Army guided missiles". There is also "Military equipment of North Korea" which has a sub-category of "Guided missiles of North Korea", which obviously is the same, but in a more logical place.

And actually, just comapring North Korea to South Korea's category's, South Korea has the same double-categorization with the Korean War as well, in the exact same manner.

I found all this since I need/want to have categories for South Korean, North Korean, and Chinese military units more or less ordered like the U.S. military units, so it will easier to begin developing military histories of the various units invloved in the Korean War. wbfergus 13:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is it only for Modern history?

Or it includes the war of ancient time. --Hairwizard91 17:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It certainly could include ancient history as well. I only added Korean War items because I've been working on them, and because Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/History seems to cover pre-1900 items. Since you've been working on older history, I think it's your decision whether to include ancient military history there, or to start adding them here. Either one will be fine with me. --Reuben 21:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Probably should write up a scope. From ancient to today.--D-Boy 07:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Task force?

Shouldn't this project be here under WP:MIL ?

Anyways, I'll help on any materials. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 04:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Mmm. The location of the subpage doesn't particularly matter, I suspect; but I'm wondering if it would be possible to set this group to function as both a workgroup of WP:KOREA and a task force of WP:MILHIST? Kirill Lokshin 04:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't see why not, personally. Not sure exactly what that would signify... -- Visviva 07:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In other words, it would be possible to add some features (a few templates, basically) to this page that would make it appear (to the rest of MILHIST) that it was a task force, while at the same time keeping it a workgroup here. I'm loath to do this without the consent of the membership here, of course. Kirill Lokshin 13:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I'm just the janitor, though; hopefully others will weigh in. -- Visviva 02:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
You really should merge this page into a task force.--D-Boy 20:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I created a Korean military history task force under WPMILHIST. Up to you guys if you want to merge it or not =) AQu01rius (User • Talk) 00:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Creating a duplicate page probably wasn't the best way to go about this, though. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 00:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, after a little back-and-forth juggling, the nascent task force has been merged here with all its structural features; the net effect is that this group is now functionally both a Korea working group and a MILHIST task force. I think this is actually the best way to proceed, at this point.

One thing we ought to figure out is a single category to have tagged articles put into; at the moment, the two project banners are generating different categories, which is rather redundant and quite confusing. I don't particularly care which one we use; but we should pick one. Kirill Lokshin 02:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

So, would anyone object to filing everything into Category:Korean military history task force articles? Kirill Lokshin 04:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
No objections here; I'll update {{Korean}} accordingly. -- Visviva 06:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Task force image

This is the current image for this task force. Anyone have better suggestions? AQu01rius (User • Talk) 00:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Are there any easily recognizable Korean symbols that aren't too politically charged? Kirill Lokshin 01:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe a turtle ship? Don't think we have a properly iconic icon for that at present, though... -- Visviva 03:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
How about using the the hanja 花郞 from Hwarang? Chinese use 武 and japanese use 侍.--D-Boy 12:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I can see Aqu01rius's points. I'll try to make an iconic version of the image. (Wikimachine 02:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Merging campaignboxes

There's a bunch of strangely overlapping campaignboxes for the Japanese invasions that should probably be merged into a single template; if anyone knows the chronology involved and can assist, it would be quite appreciated:

Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 02:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll fix them. (Wikimachine 22:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC))
I put request for deletion on templates that were not being used, and some that were definitely not necessary... But I can see that the templates are more useful when separate like those. Some of the templates are for number of articles each about a battle within a series of battles. Merging them would be impossible, and you wouldn't be able to use it. (Wikimachine 06:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Peer review request for Joint Security Area

There's a new peer review request for Joint Security Area that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 23:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for leading this part of the project! I'll peer review. (Wikimachine 06:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Requested articles

The requested articles departement gets reorganized. The requests get moved to the specific taskforce. In case of error move it to a concerning task force.

Wandalstouring 10:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Added to open task template. Kirill Lokshin 13:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North and South Korean Military pages

I've recently added a whole bunch of new categories and some stubs for various North and South Korean Military units of the Korean War. North Korean military units are at Category:Military units and formations of North Korea and South Korean are at Category:Military units and formations of South Korea. I will be adding similar entries for the Chinese People's Volunteers military units as I run across references to the units. I've made numerous mistakes and countless re-edits getting these pages put together, trying to ensure I got all the category logic correct, Talk Pages with appropriate templates, etc. done. These pages are merely stubs so far. There is no definitive information for any of the units. As I find a reference to any of the units, I'll add the information to the appropriate page, and my hope is that as I go through the Korean War articles, I eventually add enough information to the units so that there will be a semi-decent coverage of that units activities during the Korean War.

I would appreciate it if somebody more familar with WikiPedia than me (since I'm still fairly new), could look at a few of the pages and see if I'm missing something, or including something I shouldn't. All I'm doing at this point when I need to create another page, is copying the data from an existing page (and modifying as appropriate), so if there's a problem with what I've done so far, I'd just perpetuate it. Thanks. wbfergus 15:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Looks good so far. Thanks for your work on these; the topic is definitely one where we need all the help we can get! :-) Kirill Lokshin 17:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've finally started to get into the Chinese military aspect of the Korean War, and have now started populating Category:Military units and formations of the People's Volunteer Army as well. There's starting to be quite a few pages showing up now under Category:Korean military history task force articles. wbfergus 15:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions about Main Task Force page

I noticed on the Task Force's main page that there is a section called Categories that only has two redlinked categories in it, Category:Wars of Korea and Category:Battles of Korea. What is the purpose of these? Are they to be created and used accordingly, or are they old categories that got deleted? Either way, can someone also add the appropriate text on the main page to avoid further confusion? wbfergus 11:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? I don't see anything on the first page. (Wikimachine 23:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Imjin Waeran terminology and campaign classifications

Hello. I've begun a discussion here in an attempt to generate consensus & standards on the terminologies used for military divisions and campaigns of the Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598); currently there seems to be an unconsciously created discrepancy between which articles (e.g. Japanese Left Army) get referred to and linked to, and which campaignboxes (e.g. Template:Campaignbox Japanese Left Army (1597)) are or are not fully agreed to be deprecated.

Please comment at the above talk page link. Thank you. LordAmeth 11:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 9th century invasion of Japan

Hello. I am translating an article from the Japanese Wikipedia, and have come across reference to the Korean piracy of the Jōgan era (貞観の韓寇), i.e. the 869 Korean invasion of Kyushu. Is there an article on the en.wikipedia for this invasion? If not, what might it be called (i.e. how might I look it up)? Thank you. LordAmeth 20:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

There does not appear to be such an article; indeed, there seems to be very little in either Korean or English about this interesting episode. Since it appears to have been more in the nature of a large pirate raid, rather than an organized invasion, and since there seem to have been several pirate attacks on both Tsushima and Kyushu in this period, I would suggest something like Silla pirate raids on Japan or perhaps Hankō (if that is a commonly-used term). Cheers, -- Visviva 08:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calendar usage consistency

I've been looking at several articles related to the naval aspects of the Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598), and I've found a number of inconsistencies in the usage of lunar vs. solar calendars. An article may give one date for a battle that is another topic, and when that article's link is followed, a different month is used. For the Battle of Okpo, the infobox had the month of May, the text used October, and a referring article gave the month as June! Is there a standard way to capture such dates? Askari Mark (Talk) 03:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I should think we would want to use solar dates throughout (perhaps with a footnote about the lunar date, if confusion is likely). However, fixing this will be a non-trivial task. -- Visviva 08:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] article writing proposal

Goguryeo-Tang War (고-당 전쟁, 高-唐 戰爭) was important warfare. But to Wikipedia there is not that article, So I propose writing article. (Korea history 08:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

Seems like a good idea. You might want to begin with Goguryeo-China Wars#Goguryeo-Tang Wars, which is currently flagged as disputed. -- Visviva 08:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I think that like Goguryeo-Sui War, Goguryeo-Tang War separately is necessary. (Korea history 08:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Peer review request for Korean War

There's a new peer review request for Korean War that may be of interest to you; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks! Kirill 13:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)