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Missing topics
I have a list of missing topics related to media and journalism. I have tried to check if there are any similar articles, but I would appreciate if anyone could have a look at it. Thank you. - Skysmith 12:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject Userbox
Here's a userbox I created for this project ... was surprised there wasn't one yet. Use it in good health: {{User WikiProject Journalism}}
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``` W i k i W i s t a h W a s s a p 07:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Internet brigades
I'm not quite sure if this is within the scope of this project, but I thought I'd ask just in case.
Some help is needed in making a potential article over here - about the alleged flooding of the internet with information by secret police used by a few governments (currently the Russians and the Chinese have been alleged of doing this). Some notable sources are available in the references section.
The original article (which was very problematic and was deleted) was purely based on the FSB allegations, and an attempt is being made to make the future potential article more international. It is currently up for deletion review over here, where there is a tie of votes (9 to 9) between those who endorse its deletion and those who want it overturned and relisted.
This is a very controversial topic, but in my view there seem to be enough notable sources to make a decent article out of it, so I hope that someone here may be able to help.
I'm posting this message on several different wikiprojects, in the hope that enough people look at the article that it undergoes the thorough review which it needs. Esn 01:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Template
I have significantly upgrade the project template by adding the rating system and related categories. You will also notice that there is an article quality table on the project page, which is updated by a bot based on the article classifications. I have also assessed a great number of articles, although doing so is a somewhat tedious and monumental process. In doing so, I've nominated a few articles for GA status, although it remains to be seen what will be become of that. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 04:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Journalism expert(s) or reporters needed at LOGRTAC
I have tagged List of groups referred to as cults as being in need of expert(s) in Journalism.
Most of the article is reliable source newspaper references to opinions of specific groups as cults. References are included according to a set of long-debated and highly-consensed inclusion criteria at the top. The article's problem is that it refers to verifiable facts about opinions that interest, concern, and warn the majority, but annoy powerful minorities. But this isn't just about Wikipedia.
Groups referred to as cults always claim that their guru won't be the next one to engage in human rights abuses too similar to slavery, much less become the next insane suicide cult leader. Having enough of mass suicides and frequent reports of abuses, France decided in 1995 to engage in the practice of "cultwatching" (see Parliamentary Commission on Cults in France original in translation). Other Euro governments have done the same (see List of groups referred to as cults in government reports).
The article has been continuously improved in 2-1/2 years, and especially over the last year. One editor called it the best-referenced article in Wikipedia. The central problem is keeping all that reporting work intact.
I seem to be one of the few regular pro-reporting editor remaining there, among a group of editors, some of whom are members of currently or formerly listed groups. Not surprisingly they want the reporting to stop, though to acomplish this, they must invent a stream of seemingly unrelated other objections. These other objections are sometimes based on the tendentious abuse of dictionary definitions of words — by editorial declaration an apple becomes an orange. Occasionally there is railing against newspapers with supposedly biased journalists. It's an eye-roller that you know well, but young LOGRTAC editors who know nothing about news gathering seem ready to believe it after growing up hearing frequent lies about newsgathering as told on TV. Other editors are not necessarily group members, but are philosopically opposed to reporting negative opinions in Wikipedia lists. However, that issue seems to have stood up to a long debate challenge penultimately completed at Wikipedia talk:List guideline.
With the gradual departure of pro-reporting editors, a combination of ignorance and intention could fill the article with POV to balance the imagined reporting bias, which could then lead to the ultimate prize: a successful AfD due to induced POV-magneting. So far the article has had no less than five AfD's, most of which defaulted to keep due to lack of consensus. IIRC, AfD #5 was about 52% keep and 48% delete. Those interested can read a description of the semipermanent LOGRTAC dispute issues at Wikipedia talk:List guideline#To what extent does NPOV apply? (find down to "consensed", beginning with "Let's vet").
I'm not biased against NRM groups or even "cults". According to my calculation from the prevalence at Cult and the number of groups reported in the referred-to lists, perhaps 96-98% of cults don't annoy or frighten their neighbors, and are good enough to stay out of newspapers. Aside from maintaining the reporting as a list and not a POV article (by dropping "List of" from the title), the current task as I see it, is to introduce a criteria inclusion rule to allow linking to statements on groups' own websites, that allows them to refute that they are a cult, as well as any other such statement in reliable source media.
LOGRTAC is a bellwether list article with one piece of a larger problem. I think there is growing general threat to reporting at Wikipedia, from powerful minorities who have discovered that they can stop reporting with persistently tendentious editing activities. Only larger numbers of the ethical journalist and pro-reporting editor majority can stop them.
If most editors here are interested only in articles about journalism, then please tell your pro-reporting editor friends about the problems at LOGRTAC. Milo 04:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Newspaper article guidelines: 2nd draft
Incorporating other users' comments, I've made a few changes to my proposal on writing newspaper articles, which I hope someday to get accepted as an official guideline of this project. The proposal is meant to help new editors write Wikipedia articles about newspapers, and help veteran editors produce standards-based edits.
Thanks a ton to project members Tobogganoggin, IvoShandor and jtowns for commenting on my first draft. I hope to see even more participation in this one. I'm not the only one with experience editing in this project, and I'm depending on my fellow WP Journos to make this guideline truly a consensus-based one. That guideline again is at User:Wiki Wistah/Newspaper articles, or WP:NART.
Thanks again! ``` W i k i W i s t a h W a s s a p ``` 18:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Category:Partisan Newspapers up for possible deletion
The Category:Partisan Newspapers has been nominated for deletion and is currently under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_July_23#Category:Partisan_Newspapers. I've just posted my comments; anybody else who cares to put their two cents in should do so ASAP, as the discussion will probably be closed tomorrow. Cgingold 13:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
News bureau
I was writing something about a bureau chief, and couldn't find anything on WP about news bureaus. Did I miss it? Perhaps they're less important now than in the past but they still seem like an important part of how news agencies are organized. If so, and if any sources are available, I think the topic would be worth a stub or perhaps a section of another article, such as News service. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 09:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Category:Journalists accused of fabrication or plagiarism
Category:Journalists accused of fabrication or plagiarism is currently under discussion:
Input from members of this Project would be very useful. The discussion is in its fourth day, so there are 2 or 3 days left to add your comments. Cgingold 12:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Are all dailies notable?
Somehow, without anyone seeming to take notice of it hereabouts, a few editors recently had a highly WP:JOURN-relevant AfD debate regarding the page Caledonian-Record.
The underlying question of the AfD, found here, was whether a 11,000-circ. daily in rural Vermont could be considered "notable" enough to have a Wikipedia article (to break the suspense: the vote was "keep", but only after a few editors expanded a stub to a start and added more than a half-dozen footnotes). I've always taken it as a matter of received truth that all dailies are notable (and have included that, with no opposition, in my suggested guidelines for newspaper articles).
What do you all think? ``` W i k i W i s t a h ``` 04:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Agree. I'm glad it survived, but FWIW, I think it should have been kept whether improved immediately or not. Daily publication seems like a fine threshold of notability, and a stub tag is sufficient to alert editors and readers that the article should be significantly improved. - Tobogganoggin talk 03:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Asia Insurance Review & MiddleEast Insurance Review
Hi. I got a note in the press queue of OTRS asking for help in getting an article on the above publication into Wikipedia. I explained that we would rather they didn't do it themselves in order to avoid a conflict of interests etc. and that I would let the appropriate WikiProject know that they would like an article writing. So, here you are! Have fun. —Sean Whitton / 13:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- Links to the magazine sites: [1] and [2]. —Sean Whitton / 14:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Corporate edits to The Banker, Investors Chronicle, Pearson PLC
Hi, this is just a heads up that IP addresses associated with various Pearson subsidiaries are editing Pearson/Financial Times publications. I'm trying to work with these editors to get them to tone down their advertising and marketing speak somewhat, but its a big job and I'd appreciate any help and oversight the WP Journalism team can provide. I've already noticed one item of censorship (reverted) on the Pearson plc page [3]. I haven't had time to check whether other Pearson/FT publications are also affected. Cheers Saganaki- 03:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Also found corporate edits to the following FT titles:
- Nrpn (Nordic Region Pensions & Investment News)
- FDi magazine
- Professional wealth management (a recreated version of Professional Wealth Management which was deleted as a copyvio)
- Pensions management
- FT Mandate
- European Pensions and Investment News
- Pensions week
Saganaki- 03:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Proposed deletion: List of journalism books
List of journalism books (via WP:PROD on 2007-09-04) Deleted (PROD by User:Kappa)
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ISSN
hi, I am currently trying to expand Prothom Alo. how can I find it's ISSN. --Tarif from Bangladesh 00:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Popular Mechanics
The article on Popular Mechanics should be expanded. It is a large-circulation science and technology magazine and has been in the field for over 100 years. It is currently at stub status, and I believe it merits at least a few solid paragraphs. It has also been covered in other media lately due to its debunking of 9/11 conspiracy theories. -Bonus Onus 23:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
{{Journalism}} template overhaul proposal
I've created a reorganization of the {{Journalism}} template here in my user namespace, mostly to distinguish fields (like fashion and business) from genres (like investigative and watchdog journalism), but also to avoid various redirects, redundancies, and one red link. I've tried to include links to the most general, well-developed articles, because those then tend to include links to articles on various more specific topics. I've also tried to tidy up the visual aspect of the text layout a bit. I realize an organizational overhaul of an article namespace template may be a bit too bold, so please comment here on this talk page or over on the temporary talk page if you have any suggestions or ideas so that I can evaluate whether or not my version is compatible with consensus. Thanks! - Tobogganoggin talk 14:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well folks, it's been several weeks and I've only received one (positive) response on the template talk page, so I'm implementing my changes. Feel free to contact me for any further discussion.
- - Tobogganoggin talk 01:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of unsafe article
With reference to the entry DJ Magazine, advice is sought on that entry. In the state that the article has been retrieved and recently expanded, this article is no longer fit for purpose. It is so subjective and so poorly referenced, it is now unusable and (it should be noted) it is factually unsafe. In no way can the entry be considered written from NPOV - I propose deletion pending an authoritative contribution.--Buch 12:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Articles for deletion: Firma
Firma at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Firma (2007-10-05 – 2007-10-11) Merge→Globes
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Proposed deletion: Banner (publishing)
Banner (publishing) (via WP:PROD on 2007-10-22) Deleted
- has been transwiki'd to Wiktionary
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Articles for Deletion: American Road
American Road at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Road (2007-10-16 – 2007-10-23) Delete
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WP:PR, The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power
I have put this article up for a Peer Review, at Wikipedia:Peer review/The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power/archive1. Any suggestions that you might have to help get this article eventually up to WP:FA status would be most appreciated. Thank you. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 16:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC).
Cat for fictional columnists
Do we have any sort of cat for fictional columnists such as Cooper Brown. --Fredrick day (talk) 16:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Lord of the Universe (documentary) on Peer Review
Recently passed as a Good Article, Lord of the Universe (documentary) is now on Peer Review. Your feedback would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/Lord of the Universe (documentary)/archive1. Thanks, Cirt 19:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC).
Template:Newspaper rationale
Hello everyone, I have just created Template:Newspaper rationale which is a template that will ease in writing fair use rationales on images related to newspapers. It will need to be added to all images in the Category:Fair use newspaper covers. Cheers Ianblair23 (talk) 11:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- Many thanks for this timesaver! - Tobogganoggin talk 00:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Proposed deletion: Al Stevens
Al Stevens (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-19) Deleted
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Proposed deletion: Barouyr Aghbashian
Barouyr Aghbashian (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-19) Deleted
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Notability guideline essay under construction
Input from this project would be useful. Wikipedia:Notability (media) SilkTork *SilkyTalk 14:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
literary reviews
Should they be tagged under this project?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Proposed deletion: Carolyn Washburn
Carolyn Washburn (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-27) Deleted
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Proposed deletion: Mika Edwards
Mika Edwards (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-25) Kept
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Proposed deletion: Robert Littal
Robert Littal (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-27) Deleted
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Proposed deletion: The Voice, student newspaper published in Rexburg, ID
The Voice, student newspaper published in Rexburg, ID (via WP:PROD on 2007-12-26) Deleted
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Proposed deletion: Machinery Outlook
Machinery Outlook (via WP:PROD on 2008-01-02) Kept
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Proposed deletion: The Marlin Company
The Marlin Company (via WP:PROD on 2008-01-05) Deleted
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Proposed deletion: Nexus News
Nexus News (via WP:PROD on 2008-01-05) Kept
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Proposed deletion: The Richmond State
The Richmond State (via WP:PROD on 2008-01-10) Deleted
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Article for deletion: Greg Felton
Greg Felton at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Felton (2007-12-31 – 2008-01-08) Deleted
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ESPN magazine representative wishes to work with interested Wikipedans to expand article
(Cross-posted to several relavant wikiprojects)
A representative of ESPN magazine wishes to work with interested Wikipedians to expand the ESPN The Magazine article. If any Wikipedians are interested in this, please leave a note at Talk:ESPN_The_Magazine#ESPN_magazine. Raul654 (talk) 05:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Article for deletion: The Original Magazine
The Original Magazine at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Original Magazine (2008-01-03 –)
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Category:Newspapers by city
I've just learned that there is a discussion under way at CFD aimed at coming up with a naming convention for the subcategories of Category:Newspapers by city. It started nearly a week ago, and is nowhere near reaching concensus, so I am going to request relisting for further discussion. It would certainly be good to have input from other folks who are part of this WikiProject. Cgingold (talk) 10:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Typecasting in printing
Not sure if you guys cover "printing"-related topics, but you're listed as the only relevant WikiProject at the article Printing. So --
The article Stereotypy has a disambiguation line "Printers use the term stereotypy to refer to a typecasting process." Typecasting is a disamb page, but has no reference to typecasting in printing. Anybody want to create a stub or redirect for typecasting in printing? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 11:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Style Guides
The page Style guide should be Style Guides ThisMunkey (talk) 04:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Arranging the data about journalists so it can be scraped
I know someone who is working on an interesting website which is attempting to collate articles by journalists together called http://www.journa-list.com/
This has a page for each journalist, and they want to make links to the journalist's personal page. Rather than maintaining a database of such, I've noticed there is often a link to the journalist's home page at the bottom of the wikipedia page (eg Rajiv Chandrasekaran)
This is quite common for living people with a public persona. Is there a plan for a computer readable template object that makes the official webpage stick out? Even better, any thoughts about establishing a journalist info-box, as there is for UK MPs (eg Henry Bellingham)? Goatchurch (talk) 15:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Historical Newspapers
Is there an infobox thang for papers which are no longer in circulation? (but are still notable, of course). If anyone has an answer, I would really appreciate it!--DerRichter (talk) 20:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- I've always simply used the plain-vanilla {{Infobox Newspaper}} for that. There's a category, "ceased publication", that seems to indicate that this infobox is intended both for active and inactive publications. DerRichter, is there a particular article you're working on for which this infobox wouldn't suffice? ``` W i k i W i s t a h ``` 03:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Journalistic Novels
There should be included in this discussion, a section for novels of great importance to literature, and indeed to the English language in general. I am refering to Hunter S. Thompson, the author of Fear and loathing in Las Vegas: A savage journey to the heart of the American dream. He is also the creator of the Gonzo style of journalism, he should have his own specific thread dedicated to him. Also, WIlfred Burchett, the first Western Journalist to go to Hiroshima after the Nuclear bomb exploded, he was there three weeks after it happened. He should also have his own thread. --User:MBisanz reinserting comment of User:Tom.mevlie that broke formatting. —Preceding comment was added at 16:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Fear and loathing
I am about to change the wiki article for fear and loathing from a novel to a journalism site, if anyone thinks this is a bad idea for what ever reason, tell me. Tom.mevlie (talk) 08:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Upcoming journalism article at WP:TFA
- Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 4, 2008. Check it out, nice feature for the project. Course it would be helpful for people to put the article itself on your watchlists and watch out for vandalism throughout that day. Cirt (talk) 04:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Old Magazines
Greetings, WikiProject Journalism! I am Cryptic C62 from Wikiproject Chemistry. I went to a massive low-price book sale today and found two old magazines:
- November-December 1978 issue of American Art & Antiques, which includes articles on:
- American Magazine, Newspaper, and Book Posters of the 1890s
- Posters of the Nineties
- January 1999 issue of The Magazine - Antiques
Neither of the two magazines appear to currently have articles about them. If any of you are interested in using these magazines as sources, or if you're simply curious, I am offering to ship them at no cost other than the shipping charge. I have a complete list of the articles in each magazine, and will gladly provide any additional information needed. Anyone who is interested should respond on my Talk Page. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Update on The Journalism Portal
-- Update: Portal:Journalism has recently become a Featured Portal. All of the articles at Portal:Journalism in the "Selected article" and "Selected biography" sections are of Good Article or Featured Quality Status. Thanks to the efforts of folks from this project, for churning out such great high-quality material! Keep up the great work getting articles to Good Article and Featured Quality Status ! Cirt (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
