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Archive 1: December 2005 – June 2006

Archive 2: July 2006 – August 2006

Archive 3: September 2006 – January 2008


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[edit] Roman Catholic Church

The article Roman Catholic Church is WP:Featured article candidates/Roman Catholic Church is currently up for Featured Article status. Several editors on that page have expressed concerns about potential POV violations, the reliability of certain sources, and the inclusion/exclusion of certain information. Discussion are ongoing on the talk page of the article about potential improvements to the text. It would be nice to get more eyes to look at the article so as to reach broader community consensus. Karanacs (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Denver Register

References to the Denver Register keep coming up with regards to a claim that George Washington had some sort of deathbed conversion to Roman Catholicism. A Google search turns up very little about it except for some indication that it is/was some sort of Catholic journal. If someone could please reply on my talk page concerning the nature of this publication I'd appreciate it, because at the moment my inclination is doubt its reliability. Mangoe (talk) 01:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I have posted a message at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Colorado page as well, hoping that somewhere there might have some idea of the publication. It was published in Denver, right? I hope? :) John Carter (talk) 02:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know. I have had great difficulty finding anything out about this. The Archdiocese of Denver publishes the Denver Catholic Register now; I'm given to assume that the older reference is to the same journal. I've looked at the archdiocesan website, but IIRC there was no email link that seemed to lead back to the DCR offices. Mangoe (talk) 15:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Expert

They still want an expert to take a look at Order of Saint Benedict. -- SECisek (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 5 Cardinal-Deacons elevated to Cardinal-Priests

Following today's announcement of the elevations, I made a first pass at fixing the various Wiki articles. The changes are: Cardinals Antonetti, Castrillón Hoyos, Cheli, and Medina Estévez were elevated to Cardinal-Priest while retaining their current titles. Cardinal Stafford was also elevated but given the title S. Pietro in Montorio. Because of these elevations, the most senior Cardinal-Deacon (aka, the proto-deacon) is now Cardinal Cacciavillan.--Dcheney (talk) 16:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prophecy of the Popes

What is the Vatican's standpoint on the prophecy? Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Black Madonna of Częstochowa

I nominated the image to the right at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates please vote. Bewareofdog 19:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Abp. David Mathew

I've just created a page for him, at David Mathew (bishop). I'm sure that the project workers here will want to take a look at it and add any necessary templates. There's already a reality show contestant at David Mathew; I intend to request a move of that one so that we can make a dab page. You get to look it over first, though... -- BPMullins | Talk 04:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinators for the Christianity projects

I have recently started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity#Coordinators? regarding the possibility of the various Christianity projects somewhat integrating, in the style of the Military history project, for the purposes of providing better coordination of project activities. Any parties interested in the idea, or perhaps willing to offer their services as one of the potential coordinators, is more than welcome to make any comments there. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 21:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roman Catholic Diocese of Knoxville

I'm pretty sure this article has been vandalised. (I reverted a definite vandal edit elsewhere by the most recent editor.) I'm not sure whether I've reverted too much or not enough. Please could someone who knows more look at the article.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC) (also contacted the Tennessee project.)

[edit] Free high-quality images for Catholicism

I know where to get free high-quality images on things Catholic, mostly taken from the City of Rome. Please see HERE, where the owner declared: I, JPSonnen, took all these photos myself and I give permission for them to be used in any way on the internet.

If you are looking for an image, just use the search button.

Is there a way to publicize this better in the WikiProject Catholicism? Thanks. Marax (talk) 08:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Digital Patrologia Latina

May be of interest: there is a digital edition of Migne's Patrologia Latina available, along with a whole lot more material at www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/_index.html which may be of interest. In Latin of course. Someone (probably) associated with that project has been adding links to the relevant articles. Seems unobjectionable to me, but this has caught the eye of the ever-vigilant spam monitors, and here we are with a minor drama. This resource could be valuable for inline cites, for further reading sections, to create bibliographies for Medieval Latin religious writers, etc. Hope this is useful, Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Turkson

Just want to say that my meeting with Peter Turkson resulted in an image along with the exterior of his office. Please export to more languages. --Boongoman (talk) 17:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Islam now bigger proposed for Main Page

I place a heads-up here about the current proposal to feature this in the "In The News" section of the Main Page. The discussion can be found here: Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. __meco (talk) 14:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinator?

It has probably been noticed by most of the editors who frequent this page that there is often a pronounced degree of overlap between the various projects relating to Christianity. Given that overlap, and the rather large amount of content we have related to the subject of Christianity, it has been proposed that the various Christianity projects select a group of coordinators who would help ensure the cooperation of the various projects as well as help manage some project related activities, such as review, assessment, portal management, and the like. Preferably, we would like to consider the possibility of having one party from each of the major Christianity projects included, given the degree of specialization which some of the articles contain. We now are accepting nominations for the coordinators positions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 1. Any parties interested in helping performing some of the management duties of the various Christianity projects is encouraged to nominate themselves there. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Much to my surprise, the period for the factual elections of the new coordinators has started a bit earlier than I expected. For what it's worth, as the "instigator" of the proposed coordinators, the purpose of having them is not to try to impose any sort of "discipline" on the various projects relating to Christianity, but just to ensure that things like assessment, peer review, portal maintainance, and other similar directly project-related functions get peformed for all the various projects relating to Christianity. If there are any individuals with this project who are already doing such activities for the project, and who want to take on the role more formally, I think nominations are being held open until the end of the elections themselves. And, for the purposes of this election, any member in good standing of any of the Christianity projects can either be nominated or express their votes at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 1. Thank you for your attention. John Carter (talk) 00:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roman Catholic Church Peer Review

Roman Catholic Church has been listed at Peer Review. Editors are anxious to get this to FA status, so please help review the article and leave comments. Karanacs (talk) 21:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bernard of Clairvaux

Bernard of Clairvaux needs a review before a GA nomination. Take a look, please. -- Secisek (talk) 20:17, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Incarnation Catholic Church and School (Glendale, California)

There is currently a discusion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Incarnation_Catholic_Church_and_School_%28Glendale%2C_California%29#Incarnation_Catholic_Church_and_School_.28Glendale.2C_California.29 concerning the proposed deletion of a new article on Incarnation Catholic Church and School (Glendale, California). This is a parish in the Los Angeles area that is 80 years old and has thousands of member families. Yet, some are taking the position that articles about individual parishes are not notable. I am not sure if this issue has been raised here, but it seems to me that articles about large, important Catholic parishes are a valuable contribution to Wikipedia's encyclopedic content and to this project. Cbl62 (talk) 00:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It has been suggested by the individual proposing deletion that my comment somehow constitutes "canvasing." All I'm asking is that people take a look and make up their own mind.Cbl62 (talk) 06:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blessed Virgin Mary

I'm extremely dubious about recent attempts to broaden the scope of this article to include Anglicans/Anglo-catholics and the Othodox. For example the present first sentence "The Blessed Virgin Mary, sometimes shortened to The Blessed Virgin or The Virgin Mary, is a traditional title specifically used by Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholics, and some others to describe Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ..." is certainly not true as far as the Orthodox are concerned. Again, to say that "The Assumption of Mary -- meaning that, at the end of her earthly life, Mary was taken directly into Heaven -- is held infallibly by both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches." is pretty misleading, especially with no link to Dormition of the Theotokos. Nor am I sure what "infallibly" means in an Orthodox context. These changes have been defended agressively by reverting, and for example links to the Dormition article have been removed.

The article is equally misleading as to "Anglican", or at least average Anglican, beliefs at various points - again in the first sentence for example. There is a pretty full article on the Theotokos which covers the Orthodox view. The old versions, with an Anglican section which could be expanded, were much more satisfactory.

People may care to comment at Talk:Blessed_Virgin_Mary#Widening_the_scope. Johnbod (talk) 12:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Dimond

Could somebody take a look at the Michael Dimond article? Is he notable? Michael Dimond seems to be creating and editing the article himself. Corvus cornixtalk 03:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It's now gone, he's a persistent little sod, Bro. Michael Dimond was deleted last year.FlagSteward (talk) 19:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Christian debate on persecution and toleration and related topics

Note: This is a cross-posting from ´Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lutheranism

Two days ago I had added a short paragraph to the article Christianity giving an overview about the Christian debate on persecution and toleration, the article on which I am currently working. This was removed by another editor, who was of the opinion that one should describe the actions of the Inquisition as "Prosecution" instead of "Persecution" and that I would need a source for a new paragraph. Well, I really hope that we don't need to resort to heated debates about wp:NPOV and wp:verifiability here; It is only fair to debate the topic and it doesn't really hurt: If happened some hundred years ago and is nowadays totally rejected by all Christians (according to the historian Coffey, whom I have quoted in the article). And if no one works on the topic from an enlightened Christian perspective, the Neopagans will just continue working on it from their perspective; since the details here are really difficult, this might result in somehow biased articles, even with good-faith-editing. So, if you have the time check out articles like Persecution of religion in ancient Rome and see if you can help there. Regards, Zara1709 (talk) 22:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

As the editor in question, I thought I would provide a response to this comment. I admit that I didn't take a close look at the edits that were made, and I thus apologize for my reaction. The paragraph in question seems sound, though I find that the last sentence makes too far a leap into the future to be totally congruous with that section of the article. I would also note that even something that is considered "prominent" or "well-known" historically needs to be referenced, especially if there is any controversy concerning the subject-matter. Nautical Mongoose (talk) 00:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pope Stephen VII

Hi. I'd feel much happier if one of you chaps could check out this edit. And while you're at it, you can slap a WikiProject tag on the talk page! Cheers. --Dweller (talk) 15:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

LOL!
Though I suppose I'm not actually "one of [these] chaps," I did find that the text you refer to was lifted verbatim from here.
So I went ahead and block-quoted that text, and added that reference to the article.
Cheers, —Wikiscient— 03:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] St. Peter's Basilica to FA?

Hi guys. Assessing things for the Italy Project I came across St. Peter's Basilica which is looking pretty healthy, it's the sort of article that must be pretty close to FA if someone wants an "easy" FA, although it doesn't appear to have even gone through GA yet. Does anyone want to take it on? FlagSteward (talk) 16:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Milan Cathedral is also looking pretty healthy, it needs a lot more references but otherwise must be close to GA at least. FlagSteward (talk) 18:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category: Roman Catholicism in the United States --- Mistitled

Shouldn't the above named category be retitled 'Catholicism in the United States?

"Roman Catholicism" is a vernacular term originated by Anglicans to refer to Catholic's who followed the Roman pontiff. While many Catholics are proud to use the name "Roman Catholic" to proclaim their support of the pople, no where does the Catholic Church adopt or use the title "Roman Catholic Church" in any of its documents or titles. In part this is because the Roman Rite is just one of many other Catholic rites.

Also, if this category includes not just Roman Rite Catholicsim in the United States, but also other Catholic rites, it is a misnomer.

Can the category be retitled or redirected so it would change and be propagated throughout wikipedia?--GodBlessYou55 (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it is unfortunately impossible to change categories in that way. Also, I think the "Roman" might be added to differentiate from any of the other variant forms of Catholicism, like Old Catholicism, out there. Takiing that into account, the added "Roman" might be best kept. John Carter (talk) 17:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
John, I'm not so certain about that-when one hears somebody referring to a dissident sort, they inherently refer to a 'liberal catholic' or an 'Old catholic', in other words, with a qualifier. However, in the words of the Creed, there is only 'One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church'(all in capitals), and that is the Petrine Church. To use the moniker 'roman' seems to me to be a misnomer and discounts the other 20-some eastern rites that are also part of the 'One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church'. And the term, 'latin rite' also only refers to that part of the Church which is headed by the Bishop of Rome.
I think that the term 'Catholic'(in caps), without a leading qualifier, would perhaps be best to describe the Petrine Church in Rome.--Lyricmac (talk) 02:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
The term "Roman Catholic" is not part of the Vatican's lexicon. "Catholic Church" is the always preferred and is used to describe all Catholic rites in communion with the Church of Rome. I'd actually like to see the U.S. bishops engage in a mini-campaign to educate the press (and even the Yellow Pages) that the proper way to describe Catholics is as Catholics, not "Roman Catholics." If they are willing to be sensitive to the preferred self-description of other groups, why not also in regard to Catholics? (By the way, even the Old Catholics have taken care to give themselves a new adjective "Old" to distinguish themselves from just Catholics who acknowledge the papal authority of the current Bishop of Rome.--GodBlessYou55 (talk) 20:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

This argument has been rehashed over and over again in the RCC article talk. The thing is that the Church does use "Roman Catholic" sometimes, often in relation to other denominations. Heck, parishes in my own diocese are sometimes subtitled "A Roman Catholic Parish". I've called myself Roman Catholic since forever. I would recommend that we focus on somewhat bigger issues than a relatively minor squabble over semantics. Nautical Mongoose (talk) 20:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Queen of Heaven article

The Queen of Heaven article is tagged as being part of "WikiProject Catholicism."
There's been some dispute around POV issues there recently, and I was wondering if someone here might have time to look the article over (especially recent changes to it), and perhaps also help resolve some of the conflict and/or improve the quality of the article itself?
Please also see my note on the Talk page there...
Thanks! --—Wikiscient— 01:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] St Lawrence Church, Morden

As this is simply another church building that was absconded by the Protestants during the reformation, my opinion is that we not concern ourselves with it. If the Anglicans wish to edit it and take out the advertisements, thats their business, not ours. Or should we worry ourselves about every article written about every pre-reformation European church stolen by the Lutherans, Calvinists, Anglicans, ad nauseum? --Lyricmac (talk) 18:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Corpus Christi (feast) needs your help

I can't figure out from Corpus Christi (feast) just what Corpus Christi is. Can anybody help out the non-Christians here? (Obviously, please add info to that article, not just here.) Thanks. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music

There is a suggested article on the project page about "Liturgical Music." Also needed is something a bit broader maybe. For example, a book entitled "Why Catholics Can't Sing" resulted in a music revolution in the US and perhaps elsewhere in the 1990s with the result that RCs now sing as well an anyone in most places. Definitely need high level article to tie all music together - Contemporary, Liturgical, etc. Student7 (talk) 21:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roman Catholic Church

The Featured Article nomination for this article was restarted on June 1st, This is the top article for Wikiproject Catholicism and your comments of either support or oppose (with stated reasons) would be greatly appreciated on the nomination page here [1] NancyHeise (talk) 13:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Diocese titles

Malleus Haereticorum (talk · contribs) has moved dozens of articles about Roman Catholic dioceses from the format "Roman Catholic Diocese of Foo" to "Diocese of Foo" / "Bishop of Foo", apparently without discussing this beforehand. Olessi (talk) 23:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

To my eyes, it makes much more sense for all of these articles to be named "Roman Catholic Diocese of Foo" or "Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Foo" than to remove the RC from all the titles. Several other churches, including the Melkite, Marionite, Anglican, Old Catholic, and other churches will often have, between them, at least one similarly named diocese or archdiocese in their communities, and on that basis those would have to be disambiguated, with the names "RC Foo of Foo" and "(Name) Foo of Foo". If there are going to have to be at least some articles named in that way, it makes sense to at least me that, for the purposes of consistency and ease of understanding, they all have similar names. John Carter (talk) 13:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church

I have a concern that the List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church has drifted from being a factual list into something which may be misleading. I'd like to correct that and I've proposed that we remove all elements of the list which don't have citations. We can add them back once we find a cite, but this would give us a list that at least didn't contain any inaccuracies. (I'd rather it be missing correct entries than filled with incorrect ones.) But, before doing this, I wanted to leave a message here. Would any members of this project be willing to look through this list and add citations for the elements which you know to be correct? After a week or so, I can go through and remove any items that don't have them. JRP (talk) 00:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)