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Suggestions for collaboration

Hey guys! I have a few suggestions for collaboration:

Also, somewhat related is the section of the Australian Pubs article on Live music and The Pub Circuit as it contains information directly related to the grassroots of much Australian music. Perhaps once AUSMUS gets going, we could kind of take over this section, split it into its own article and adopt it as a part of AUSMUS? What do you guys think? --lincalinca 01:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Great suggestions. I was idly thinking about a timeline for the MoA article - using the m:EasyTimeline tool and showing major bands and musicians. To look like (say) Template:Complete timeline of Macintosh models. —Moondyne 04:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I think that's a great idea, but though the feasibility of it exists, whether it works could be compromised on 2 things:
  • It'll be a real pain to create and then moderate updates due to the complexity of the whole thing.
  • It's hard to say what should be included and not due to notability, taste and the masses of information that could be deemed as comprehensive and notable enough to belong.
Otherwise I say go for it. --lincalinca 07:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Looks overly ambitious but if you want to give it a shot and see if I can help Dan arndt 08:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Music of Australia

This flagship article is a former GA. Perhaps getting this promoted should be a priority. —Moondyne 02:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was a candidate and never made it? Either way, yeah, I agree that it should be vastly improved, sourced and reassessed. --lincalinca 03:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
You're right. It never got there, and after re-reading it, it'll be a challenge. —Moondyne 09:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Assessing Australian Music WikiProject

Hi, about the wikiproject tag in the article talk pages, which articles are suitable for adding it? Does it include songs by Australian artists, TV/radio music programs (eg. Spicks and Specks, Australian Idol, It Takes Two)? What is the main guideline for using the project tag? I want to help out. RaNdOm26 11:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I see no reason to not be quite broad about this and would support including each of the examples you gave above. Guidelines: we have none, so just use your commonsense and Be bold. —Moondyne 11:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay. That would definitely be very broad if there's no guideline set. RaNdOm26 12:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
In fact, all of Category:Australian music television should be included. —Moondyne 16:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Certainly. In fact, I could think of a couple more that could fit into that category that isn't there now. I will try to find out some more. Though someone with a better knowledge about older music shows would be good. :) RaNdOm26 16:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, here's a new article List of Australian music television shows. —Moondyne 08:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Good stuff...--Mikecraig 23:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Userbox

Nice work on the user box..will add it to my profile page! --Mikecraig 22:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mate, I actually just updated the image using Inkscape (i.e. a version of the image I didn't dodgy up at work and did here at home) so it's a tad more attractive now (but only a tad). Thanks for the kudos, though. --lincalinca 10:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Agree, nice work linca. I renamed it as there's an apparent standard of having userboxes prefixed with "User_". —Moondyne 10:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Listing needed

This article could do with being placed in a specific Category listing for Australian Music. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_grindcore_bands Boylo 23:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability

I noticed while tagging that some bands didnt appear to have much notability. Are we going to use the same qualifications as noted on Wikipedia:Notability (music) for the criteria for listings to be accepted ? Boylo 00:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Indeed we will. Which articles are they? - G1ggy Talk/Contribs 07:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
There's lot of them about. Most are easily spotted by them having a MySpace external link together with a link to a self-published website, and no other external sources. Tag them with {{db-band}} if you feel they don't meet the notability criteria and an administrator will delete them in due course.-- Longhair\talk 07:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I just tagged a bunch of these overnight. Some of them are reasonably well done but the artist is barely notable. BrianFG 08:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Portal

This might be a bit premature, but I think we ought to have a Portal dedicated to Australian music. It could be a sub-portal of Portal:Australia and Portal:Music. This would be a nice way to showcase the best articles offered by the category.

Alternatively, we could just push to increase the importance of the articles into prominence on the mentioned portals. This would encourage traffic and therefore encourage users who're able to edit the pages to do so.

What do you guys think? --lincalinca 06:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I've been thinking of making one...but I haven't made one before and would probably be terrible at it. Anyway, I'll try to whip something up tomorrow. G1ggy (t|c|p) 06:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
If you need help with the Portal let me know as i am in the process of building a Portal for another Project. Boylo 09:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Portal:Australian music - working on it now. Giggy UCP 23:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Y DoneGiggy UCP 02:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD

While tagging articles with the portal template, I found Samples of music from Australia, which I have nominated for deletion here. You may wish to comment in the debate. Giggy UCP 03:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Australian Crawl

Am working on improving the article - feel free to assist any time Dan arndt 08:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration suggestions

Ok, I know I started off the last discussion about this, but I've just had something occur to me: Shouldn't we perhaps look to make the "elite austtralian musicans" pages at least get to GA, if not FA, level? When I say this, I've created today a new category of ARIA Hall of Fame inductees and I think these would be a good start, and then move onto other usual suspects that haven't been given this merit as yet (I.e. Savage Garden, Crowded House, Something For Kate, Silverchair, Powderfinger, You Am I, Spiderbait, Skyhooks, Hillsong Music, Stevie Wright, Jet, Grinspoon, Nick Cave, the Tea Party, Southern Sons, Jack Jones, Rick Price, Tex Perkins, The Choirboys, Dragon, The Radiators, 1927, The Screaming Jets and so on and so forth). Then of course, Triple J, Triple M, Channel V, Video Hits and such. As far as a list for collaboration, this gives us at least 60 central areas and each would contain about 20-40 articles each, depending on how many singles, albums and such each has. It's going to be a while, but it'll be great when we're at l;east a fair way through it all and especially when we're done. Then we can work on keeping info current. --lincalinca 12:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good place to start Dan arndt 00:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The portal could do with some more GA's. Let's do this! Giggy UCP 00:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to encroach upon bias here, but I've just finished creating all of the single articles for Crowded House and would like to put it up for a task force to see out the whole area related to Crowded House including members, albums and the core page itself and bring Crowded House up to at least GA standard. There's possibly no better time than the present considering the (somewhat) recent reunion. If you guys want, I could even start a wiki-sub project, much like WP:FING is for Powderfinger to ensure the quality overall vastly improves. Anyone with me? --lincalinca 15:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I would definitely like to start a Crowded House WikiProject. RaNdOm26 16:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Sweet. One vote's all I wanted. --lincalinca 00:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't really need to comment, having already joined, but it has my support! Giggy UCP 02:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
As per Giggy, I set it up/ Anyone who wants to, feel free to join:
Hi! I've seen you editing Crowded House related articles, and would like to invite you to join WikiProject Crowded House, an effort by Wikipedians to improve the band's coverage on the encyclopedia. Please consider signing up here. 
--lincalinca 07:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samples of music from Australia

“ The result was delete, if WikiProject Australian Music wants to maintain it, they may do so upon request. ”

Is anyone interested? Will we be maintaining this, via a category? Giggy UCP 09:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so. The general consensus was to delete, and those against it didn't seem like AUSMUS folk. That's a no from me, at least. --lincalinca 09:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


Help with my article

hey everyone. my article has been deleted a couple of times, with the most recent time being stated on the deletion review page that if i could find some more reliable references the page would be fine. unfortunately the only references i have are in street press and newspapers and hence i can't reference them properly to an internet page. have you got any ideas on how i can improve the page and/or reference the newspapers and magazines despite them not being on the internet??

this is the article: The Holidays

Cheers --Sparkelman11 09:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

As you said, the article has been deleted a number of times already including an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Holidays and several speedy-deletes. Note that recreation of deleted material is considered disruptive editing and if you do it again you will find yourself blocked. Clearly the band is considered non-notable by Wikipedia's standards. If you think it can be further developed to meet the notability criteria, I suggest you work on it in a sub-page of your user account User:Sparkelman11/The Holidays and then bring a link to that here for further discussion. —Moondyne 09:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy Barnes/Cold Chisel

I've done a bunch of work on both these recently. Is there any chance that someone could gaze over them and make some comment on further improvements etc.? I couldn't believe how incomplete these pages were. BrianFG 08:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

A note about cut-n-paste

Just a quick note. This might be stating the obvious but i think it needs to be pointed out to those who do not know. There have been some instances of people writing entries about a group/artist simply by copying the history/bio page from the artists' website. Unfortunately, this is a copyright violation and such pages will eventually be deleted. I don't think even having the artists' permission will cut it. So please keep a look out for such problem pages. Thanks. - 52 Pickup 14:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Another thing is, if you write it yourself, it'll usually have a better grasp of WP:NPOV rather than a writeup that's likely to be cancerous with bias because it's written by a PR person intent on promoting the band. Wikipedia's supposed to be an original piece of work, only replicating items for the purpose of explanation where necessary, i.e. direct and referenced quotations and album covers etc. --lincalinca 15:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

FAR

AC/DC has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Videmus Omnia Talk 03:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

FAC

Crowded House has been nominated for FAC. You can find the discussion here. Giggy Talk 04:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Giggy. I've also nominated Crowded House awards for FLC. It'd be rather neat to have them both featured at the same or same-ish time. --lincalinca 14:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Featured list

I'm proud to announce that List of Crowded House awards was recently promoted to FL. May this be the first of many AUSMUS FLs. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 03:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Dream Days at the Hotel Existence at FAC

The article is currently at FAC. All comments are welcome here. Thanks, — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 02:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


Help With My Article

Hey just wondering if someone could proof my article on sydney band The Holidays. I've added more references to the article and I feel it is now suitable to be added to wikipedia but I thought I would check first. In my opinion, it now satisfies many of the criteria for WP:BAND such as a national tour and regular reviews in magzines and online. here is the link

[User Page]

cheers --Sparkelman11 09:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Australian popular music

We have a Category:Australian popular music but no article of that name. Is there really such a beast? I believe it is unlike Australian jazz or Australian hip-hop or Australian country music, and the category should be moved to Category:Popular music in Australia. Comments/thoughts? —Moondyne 00:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Aus Rock

I've made a proposal for a WikiProject for Australian Rock and its sub-classes, as its volume is massive. See the discussion here. --lincalinca 01:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dream Days at the Hotel Existence

New FAC - all help appreciated! Dihydrogen Monoxide 08:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Possible Australian rock task force?

There is now a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Australian rock music for a group to deal specifically with Australian rock music which has gotten five members, which is generally thought enough for a task force. Would this project be willing to take on such a subproject? John Carter (talk) 18:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think my comment was #3, and #5 (somehow), but I'm still up for it if you want to make one. — Dihydrogen Monoxide —Preceding comment was added at 01:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Curious

If any close watching persons might have noticed : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_January_6#Musicals_by_nationality Looks like that category is a gonner - maybe someone might come up with an alternative to save the grouping? SatuSuro 12:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Further

Beanbag music looks as though it might need a push -one way or the other as well SatuSuro 12:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Roxus

I've undeleted the article for this band (Roxus) and expanded it significantly - however, I freely admit it uses no reliable sources at present. The ARIA information is from my own archived charts, though. If anyone wants to see if they can source this, that'd be great. Indecent Obsession is in a pretty bad state. (I am showing my age a little here :| ) Orderinchaos 23:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Good Article candidate - Hoodoo Gurus

The article has now been nominated for GA status - all & any help appreciated!  Dan arndt (talk) 05:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)