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[edit] Confused a little Can you clarify?
I am doing a reserch progect on the war/ genocide in Darfur. I need to classify who the vitimizers are verses the Victims. If anyone knows the answer to my question, in plain and simple terms would be appreciated, please let me know!! 74.9.45.166 (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
SAD! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.215.177.125 (talk) 13:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- To put it simply, all groups can be seen as victimizers and victims. The Darfur rebel groups fighting against the government (Justice and Equality Movement and Sudanese Liberation Army) initiate bloody attacks against police stations and government facilities, while at the same time being accused of raiding civillian villages for food. The Government of Sudan is also guilty of human rights abuses, as they give weapons, ammunition, and vehicles to the Janjaweed militia, which in turn terrorizes the people of Darfur through burning homes, killing livestock, raping women, and murdering men. The Sudanese Air Force also provides air support for the Janjaweed, including firing rockets at villages from helicopters and dropping bombs on them from airliners. It's a very complex situation, and I hope this simplified explanation helps. 75.50.118.172 (talk) 23:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Confused!?
I am very confused on how this war started! if any one can tell me please email me at: *removed* Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.215.177.125 (talk) 13:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- One could argue that the conflict in Darfur can be traced back to 1916, when the British government grouped Darfur (which was an independent sultanate up until this point) with Sudan. Throughout the 1970s, 80s, and 90s, Darfur fell into neglect from the central Sudanese government in Khartoum, which was mostly composed of riverine "arabs" from the country's north. A group of Darfurians published a manuscript called the "Black Book" in 2000 that outlined the lack of wealith and public funding in Darfur compared to the rest of the country. There was also a 20 year civil war between the Muslim Islamic government in Khartoum and the Christian residents of Sudan's South. As the Civil War began to wind down amid U.S./UN sponsored peace talks in the early 2000s, the rebels in the south (Sudanese People's Liberation Army) began to organize another rebellion with disenchanted residents of Sudan's western region of Darfur. The current armed conflict in Darfur started on February 26, 2003, when a new group calling itself the Darfur Liberation Front (DLF) publicly claimed credit for an attack on Golo, the government military headquarters of Jebel Marra District. The attacks intensified, and the government responded by calling upon the nomadic "Arab" Janjaweed militia group they had used in the war against the south. That's basically how it started. For a more in-depth explanation, see the beginning of Timeline of the War in Darfur, and History of Darfur. - 75.50.118.172 (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Renaming this article
I was thinking about renaming this article as the Darfur Genocide. It is obvious that this is a genocide. As follows are a few research tidbits...
3. Genocide "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part." Article 2 of the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide. “and systematically murdered, tortured, and raped hundreds of thousands of Darfurians.” (savedarfur.org) “killing 350,000 to 400,000 people in 29 months by means of violence, malnutrition, and disease in the first genocidal rampage of the 21st century.” (sudantribune.com) “U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell declared the actions of the Sudanese government and its proxies, the Jingaweit militias, against the people of Darfur to be genocide.” …"a consistent and widespread pattern of atrocities (killings, rapes, burning of villages) committed by Jingaweit and government forces against non-Arab villagers" from which "we concluded that genocide has been committed in Darfur and that the Government of Sudan and the Jingaweit bear responsibility -- and genocide may still be occurring." (America.gov) “and that Government forces and allied militia had committed widespread and consistent war crimes and crimes against humanity including murder, torture, mass rape, summary executions and arbitrary detention.” (wikipedia, from UN) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.24.179 (talk) 01:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- Although I agree that it is Genocide there are many that dispute that fact and it is better to leave the title as is for now. A redirect of Darfur Genocide seems more appropriate at this time (as it is now).
- While the human rights abuses in Darfur by the government are indeed atrocious, "genocide" has a very precise legal definition under the Genocide Convention of 1948. The question of genocide comes down to whether or not the Khartoum government intends to "destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." [1] Their actions appear to be a concerted effort (without regard for the lives of civillians) to break the back of an insurgency actively fighting to end their rule of the region, not neccesarily to eliminate Darfurians persé. The issue, however, is open to much debate. - 75.50.118.172 (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Listing of China as a belligerent
The role of a belligerent is too narrow to include arms suppliers to either side with China supplying arms to the Sudanese government and it's associated militias. I'm not sure if this is vandalism or not. It would be overzealous to presume that without the involvement of it's own military, China is a belligerent in the conflict. By that extension, most of the developed world would be involved in every conflict in the world with them supplying arms sometimes to both sides. As mentioned in the article, China's oil companies are in Sudan and the government of China is doling out incentives to the government of Sudan so that they(the oil companies of china) get the oilfields. Thus I would suggest moving China's name to some other category like listing them under arms suppliers or something.Abhishekmathur (talk) 17:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Please fix the References
I'm trying to read the article, but the references are broken at 43.
I don't yet know how, but I'll come back and try to fix them when I do.
FairViewpoint (talk) 02:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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