Talk:Vagrant Story

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[edit] Improvement

I think this article could use some character bios and plot analysis, as it has a deep and involving story and those who've played it swear by that. (70.49.130.109 01:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC))

Not to mention the highly acclaimed soundtrack.PiccoloNamek 02:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Iron Maiden

I though the dungeon was named after the Iron maiden (the torture device). Can someone back this statement up? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

That could also be the case, but take a look at the names of the individual rooms INSIDE the Iron Maiden. "Run to the Hills", indeed. teh TK 13:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm saying I don't know squat about the band. That is why I am asking. Was that a confirmation? Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I'm really late responding here. Yes, it's a confirmation. I could dig up a Google link to source it if I really had to but anyone who's played the game and knows anything about the band Iron Maiden will back me up on this. teh TK 11:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, if you could provide some examples that would be great. I've only heard "In the garden of eden" from that episode of The Simpsons. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 03:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leá Monde

First of all, I love this game a lot, I personally think this is Matsuno's best. My main point: I am going to add a subsection that tells about Leá Monde. I dug some source from the story itself. If anyone wants to help, by all means, please do. Bluerfn 08:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Done adding up bits and pieces for the Story section, and rewriting wherever I could. Wish had more references and sources though. 私はBluerです 21:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Well there isn't *much* materials released concerning Vagrant Story as far as I know. Kariteh 22:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction as Riskbreaker

Could we get a copy edit on the first paragraph? I don't think it's right to use an in-universe description to introduce Ashley Riot (he's a "Riskbreaker"). Until to you read the next section, what's a Riskbreaker?--Htmlism 01:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of disks?

I've never played Vagrant Story, but the case artwork has a "2 discs" label, whereas the side bar text says the game media is 1 CD-ROM. The article makes no mention of a possible inconsistency here. 76.185.92.143 20:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

It came with a demo disc for some other Square games. Moogy (talk) 22:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Mine didn't (GH). My point is, the actual game itself spans but one disc. (Momus 23:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Spoilers

The reason I added a spoiler warning for the characters section is because the other "story" sections contain no major spoilers, detailing instead the premise of the game, while the character bios go straight to the most important plot points and descriptions of the ending. Seems like a big difference to me, and not one that someone reading the article for the first time would assume. Besides, if every "story" header implied a spoiler warning, we wouldn't need those tags; where else do they get used? (note that even articles with "plot summary" in the title still use spoiler tags) ShaleZero 20:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler tags are not needed for this article falls under WikiProject Square Enix, consequently the parent of WikiProject Final Fantasy which shares the manual of style, and therefore the policy is under General Rules 10 - Spoiler warnings will not be used in sections under story headings, such as "characters" and "plot". Good day. 私はBluerfnです 08:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
My apologies; I wasn't aware Square-Enix games had their own set of rules. I still can't say I agree with the logic, but far be it from me to try and change the entire group's minds. ShaleZero 08:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
While I totally agree on not putting spoiler tags, I wonder how "legal" this is in terms of rules and stuff. The Square Enix wikiprojet does NOT have a manual of style, and as far as I know manuals of style are not retroactive; the FF wikiproject having a manual doesn't mean it applies to the parent SE wikiproject (it would apply to the parent CVG wikiproject else, and thus to virtually ALL wikiprojects? this makes no sense). Perhaps the SE wikiproject should officially choose or make their manual so that there will be no ambiguity. Kariteh 10:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia & Connexions

The spanish version of this page has much trivias and connexions about the game. Can anyone translate and add it to the article ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.202.118.238 (talk • contribs)

Actually, that was the former shell of the english article translated into spanish, before much fancruft, speculations and trivia have been removed to avoid being a fansite article. The article is so far looking okay, don't spoil it. Bluerです。 なにか? 17:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on Hold

The article looks good and is well on the way to GA-class. It wouldn't take much more work to raise this to FA-class, though I'd suggest a Peer Review of the article first. There are a couple items which need to be addressed before I'll pass this as a GA:

  • Image:Ashley and callo by akihiko yoshida.jpg lacks a Fair Use Rationale and source
  • Image:LeaMonde.jpg lacks a Fair Use Rational and source
  • Image:VSUltimania.jpg lacks a Fair Use Rationale and source
  • Image:Vagrantstoryost.jpg lacks a Fair Use Rationale and source
  • The development section should detail information about the game's development, not just the development team responsible for the game. That bit about the game's translation could probably be shifted to the article's Reception section.

The article also needs a thorough copyedit, but nothing too major. Just take a look through and polish those sentences a bit... some of them are still pretty rough. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you've got any questions. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 15:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Further comments...
Two sources found to have disappeared or resized the image: for Image:VSUltimania.jpg, Digicube's website defunct following bankruptcy and Image:Ashley and callo by akihiko yoshida.jpg had the exact picture resized. Image:Vagrantstoryost.jpg source has been found. — Bluerです。 なにか? 16:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I made a few random tweaks to the first few paragraphs. The prose isn't horrible, but it does need work; definitely needs work if it's going to become a FA, but it's probably GA-worthy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Deckiller (talk • contribs)
Rewrote the Development section with info scoured from archived and hard-to-find pages. — Bluerです。 なにか? 16:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
All right... All the images have been sourced and the development section looks fine. Good job! I'll go ahead and pass this as a GA now. Cheers, Lanky ○ Yell ○ 19:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy References

Shouldn't this article mention the generally-accepted idea that this game takes place in the same world as Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy XII?

Found one reference for that. Done. — Bluerです。 なにか? 14:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Featured Article!

Vagrant Story has been promoted to Featured Article! Congratulations! Thank you to everyone who had been involved with Vagrant Story's push to FA, it couldn't have been done without your contributions. Well done! — Bluerで す。 01:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Awesome! I hope it gets featured on the main page. Kariteh 07:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Excellent work; glad to help. — Deckiller 16:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Great job, everyone! Glad to help out. Sjones23 22:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
See that post at the top of this discussion page? It wasn't made while signed in but that's mine, I swear. Thank you all for making my dreams come true. :*) (Momus 01:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC))
All it takes is a dedicated fanboy and wikipedians to bring it at that :) — Blue。 05:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maintaining FA

It's nice to see video game articles reach FA status, but I was reading the Plot section of this article and noticed a few small problems. I'm not too familiar with the plot of this game, so I leave it so someone else to fix them. Here are some specifics.

  1. She begins to develop the powers of "heart-seeing" as they continue their escape deeper into Leá Monde. Heart-seeing is not mentioned before this. What is it? This makes the sentence confusing, even when taken in context with the rest of the paragraph.
  2. While discussing the Gran Grimoire, Guildenstern and Samantha discover ancient Kildean letterings carved throughout the city walls. Rosencrantz revealed to the couple that the city is the Gran Grimoire and its power lies at the city center: the Grand Cathedral. As Guildenstern leave for the Grand Cathedral, Rosencrantz went to search for Ashley and Sydney. Finding them, Rosencrantz used his immunity against Darkness and forces Sydney to surrender his powers. Rosencrantz also assaulted Ashley to prove that he was not a suitable candidate for the powers of Darkness. Sydney refuses and killed Rosencrantz by using a possessed statue, leaving Ashley to once again prove himself as Sydney's successor. This entire paragraph has problems. It frequently switches between present and past tense while explaining the events of the game. Also, the Gran Grimoire is not mentioned before this, and is not given a decent explanation anywhere else in the article. Since I haven't played the game, I don't know what a Gran Grimoire is.
  3. Ashley arrived in the Great Cathedral where Sydney reveals his intentions. Guildenstern had killed Samantha for the dark powers, and persuaded Ashley in joining him. Unmoved, the Riskbreaker faces off Guildenstern in the final battle. These three sentences are confusing. The first sentence uses past tense and present tense together, and the second sentence doesn't make sense to me. Does it mean the Guildenstern attempted to persuade Ashley to join him, but that Ashley (the Riskbreaker) was unmoved by this attempt?

New User 22:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

First of all, these are mostly tense problems. Some of it you can edit without familiarity of the plot, like example 3! But I have to admit those two phrases need explanation, will do that. — Blue。 22:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian release date

It needs to be found since it wasn't the same as in the United States, according to the GIA[1]. Kariteh 11:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

And that is why we have to use "USA" in the infobox instead of "NA", by the way. Kariteh (talk) 18:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Difference between DigiCube's and Square Enix's Vagrant Story OSTs

According to this message board, the OST re-release by Square Enix was remastered and sounds different than the original release. Can anyone confirm? Kariteh (talk) 08:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)