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[edit] Personnel count -- incl. USMC?

Does the listed total of USN personnel include the Marine Corps? Either way, I suggest a line should be added clarifying (along with a link to the USMC page.) 24.3.142.198 18:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Color of enlisted rank insignia

I noticed that you have not mentioned the significance of the color of Enlisted Rank Insignia in the navy. Normally, the insignia's main color is Blue, but they are red in only one instance: When a Enlisted Person has any marks on their record, they must change to Red insignia. Red insignia is the universal stigma of not having a clean record. The Army equivalent is the Good Conduct meadal, which is worn only by Enlisted Persons who have had their record clean for at least three years. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 14:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I will add a small paragraph on insignia color, but you are incorrect in that red insignia signifies a mark on their record. The official navy uniform regulations state that red insignia is to be worn if the uniform is blue.[1] Arcimpulse 19:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Enlisted rate insignia (enlisted sailors do not have "rank") are, by default, red on all service blue and dress blue uniforms. The exception is that if the sailor has served for twelve years without a significant disciplinary incident (i.e., captain's mast, court-martial, etc.), he/she may wear a gold rating badge on the dress blue uniform (the winter blue/working blue rating badge is ALWAYS red). SquidSK (1MC•log) 06:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
  • In addition, the Navy also awards the Good Conduct Medal for every three years of consecutive service without NJP or worse.68.55.58.183 06:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Prior to 1 January 1996, the period of service required for the Good Conduct Medal was four years. Also, in addition to lack of NJP or Court Martial, there are required minimum performance evaluation marks - since January 1996, that minimum is that no performance evaluation marks can be below 2.0. CruiserBob 01:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naval Forces Commands

A paragraph involving Naval shore forces commands has been repeatedly removed from this article over the past six months with little or no explanation by a handful of users. It reads:

"The Navy also maintains several "Naval Forces Commands" which operate naval shore facilities and serve as liaison units to local ground forces of the Air Force and Army. Such commands are answerable to a Fleet Commander as the shore protector component of the afloat command. During times of war, all Naval Forces Commands augment to become task forces of a primary fleet. Some of the larger Naval Forces Commands in the Pacific Ocean include Commander Naval Forces Korea (CNFK), Commander Naval Forces Marianas (CNFM), and Commander Naval Forces Japan (CNFJ)"

This paragraph is absolute fact and should be included. I was a member of CNFK for four years and can attest that Naval Forces Commands make up an important part of the Navy shore establishment.


I agree, Naval Support Facilites should all be mentioned also. - 70.106.43.145 14:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article size

The issue of the article's large size (74 kb) has been brought up repeatedly in peer review. In terms of content, the article looks fine, so I'm going to nip and tuck various areas to try to bring it down. Also, I'm considering making more daughter articles.Arcimpulse 23:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd be quite happy to establish a 'Organisation of the US Navy'; what I would like is it not to have completely accurate sections deleted. The main page at the moment presents a slightly inaccurate version of the way the NAvy is organised. Buckshot06 08:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking objectively at the article, it has occurred to me that more daughter articles would help out the readability greatly. I'll see what I can split off.Arcimpulse 01:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: I've begun with the Military Sealift section, and will probably look at the ship or organization section next. Arcimpulse 02:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I've managed to trim the article from 80 to 73. Hope everybody is happy with it. If not, there's always the revert link. Arcimpulse 04:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Adams

No mention of John Adams? 205.174.22.28 06:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See Also section

Is the See Also section necessary? The links that are in there now (plus the ones that I recently deleted) are all contained in the main body of the article. If we are to keep a See Also section, I think there needs to be some links added that aren't found elsewhere on the page. SquidSK (1MC•log) 06:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

The see also section is a convenient place to keep links for individuals who want to look at each source individually, instead of having to search through the text of the article itself. I vote that it stays. 24.3.142.198 18:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing

  • Navy Personnel Command Scriberius 17:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Naval Security aboard ships and shore is conducted by Navy Master-at-Arms, not the Coast Guard

[edit] Chain of command

unless one happens to be the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

This phrase was deleted because the Commandant doesnt report to CJCS-no one does. CJSC is an advisor to POTUS, not a member of the chain of command. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.185.55.78 (talk) 22:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Distraction in first Sentence

What concerns me about a weak first sentence is the mention of aliases. Introduction: "My name is George Brown, my friends call me 'Sammy,' the police know me as "Joe Jones." I find this startling as an initial introduction, I don't care how many Strunk and White comments can be quoted to say otherwise! It distracts from the rest of the article.

How about the following, then? The United States Navy is the branch of the United States armed forces responsible for conducting naval operations. Also referred to as the USN or the U.S. Navy, its stated mission is "to maintain, train and equip combat-ready Naval forces capable of winning wars, deterring aggression and maintaining freedom of the seas."

On that topic, how is it that the United States Navy in its 225 years or so of existence has never ever done anything wrong or controversial? In Wikipedia, that must have taken some huge amount of revising!

If you can find some credible sources for criticisms, by all means, put it in as a dedicated section. I feel that the article is lacking in that as well, but I do not have the expertise in that matter. Therefore, I defer it to anyone who does. Just make sure it's NPOV, and it'll be a welcome addition. Arcimpulse 23:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess the dedicated editors are never wrong either!

As a result the article is not terrifically credible. Wikipedia is usually my first source of information, but it can't be for the US Navy. Student7 21:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Dont tread on me... what does it mean?

What does that mean, and what's up with the snake???

-G

Check out the Gadsden flag page, it explains the background in good detail. - BillCJ 05:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enterprise

Any particular reason why the USS Enterprise (CV 6), isn't on the list of historically significant ships? She was the most decorated ship in U.S. History.

[edit] Mention of Whitehall, NY as the birthplace of the US Navy

For nearly 30 years I've drive through Whitehall, NY and seen their sign, "Birthplace of the US Navy" as I drive through. (Never stopped, either, but one of these days...) Discussion of the history and birth of the US Navy should probably make some mention of Whitehall, NY. It's odd and interesting, to see the navy born in such a landlocked place, as opposed to on the coast.

Phred14 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Whitehall makes this claim because General Schuyler built a small fleet for the Continental Army to use on Lake Champlain in 1776. But since the Continental Navy came into being in October 1775, Whitehall's claim, however interesting, is erroneous. For what it's worth, the claim is mentioned in the Wikipedia article on Whitehall - I think that's all the mention it deserves, since the USN celebrates October 1775 as it's founding and I've seen no serious scholarship that detracts from that claim. CruiserBob 01:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enterprise

The Enterprise is NOT a modified Kitty Hawk class ship. The JFK IS. If you have a verifiable source to the contrary regarding Enterprise, please provide it BEFORE removing the Enterprise class line from the text. - BillCJ 17:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] blue and white

thumb|right|white vs. blue: what do they mean? What's the difference between the blue and white sailor uniforms. Such as here or my illustraion to the right. Is it a rank thing? Adamv88 01:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Blue is the winter uniform, white is summer. CruiserBob 04:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Insignia

Given that the naval insignia have their own pages, do we really need to repeat them all here? The article is long enough as it is, and the page can take awhile to load on older systems. This is supposed to be an overview page, not a one-stop for all info. - BillCJ (talk) 02:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naval Culture

I commented out the part regarding the Sailor's Creed. I modified it, but then commented it out because it seems to be too jarring. Maybe we should merge in the Sailor's creed and the Core values of the United States Navy articles (those articles are stubs and will probably never outgrow stub status ) to that section.

Supersquid (talk) 03:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personnel Section - Admirals

Why do the other links in the personnel section of the box to the right link to individual pages about that specific topic, but the admirals link takes the user to a category page that lists admirals? Shouldn't it link to a page about, oh I dunno, um...admirals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.64.176.129 (talk) 00:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recently added claim

I removed the following which was added anonymously in an inappropriate place, making the article somewhat unreadable, and arguably unbalancing the coverage. Could those involved in this article please evaluate it, and put it in the right place if it is deemed appropriate?

A U.S. Marine was arrested on Monday on suspicion of raping a 14-year-old girl in Okinawa Prefecture, drawing immediate outrage from the governor that is spreading across the prefecture. Similar incidents have been happening frequently since U.S. occupied Japan in 1945. In 1995, three U.S. servicemen, U.S. Navy Seaman Marcus Gill and U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp and Kendrick Ledet, all from Camp Hansen on Okinawa, raped a 12-years-old schoolgirl by turns.

References: New York Times and CNN

Thanks. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think it should not be added to the article. While tragic and horrid, it was committed by individuals... we can't stereotype. The spin that the editor put on their edit makes it sound like we still occupy Japan, for chrissakes!!! Last time I checked, Japan was one of our closer allies. Maybe an entry into WikiNews, maybe something relating to the military presence in Okinawa (controversies or similar), but not in general articles regarding the military.

Supersquid (talk) 18:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Navy In popular Culture

I would like to know more about the United States Navy in particular with the film industry. What movies are about the navy? Maybe we could create a new page if the section gets too large. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.155.186.15 (talk) 01:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Size of the US Navy

It might be worth including that the US Navy is roughly comparable in size to the rest of the world's Navies combinded. Tirronan (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Navy colors

There is an error in the article. Navy colors are blue and gold, not blue and silver147.248.1.159 (talk) 17:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aircraft Flown

I wasn't aware that the Navy is flying the P-8 yet. LorenzoB (talk) 02:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Motto

according to Naval Historical Center there is no official motto for the US Navy, "but "Non sibi sed patriae" is sometimes cited". the template here lists "semper fortis". can that motto be removed from the template, changed, or documented please? J. Van Meter (talk) 04:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)