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Contents 1 Merge comments 2 Just wondering... 3 appearance 4 Merge proposal 4.1 Survey 4.2 Discussion 5 Appearance in Iron Man

[edit] Merge comments

Don't merge this. Ultimate is different than 616 Marvel.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.101.2.116 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 21 July 2005.

Agreed. Merging would be as dumb as a bag of ass. The characters are different for all the Ultimate characters. Mergers, back away.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.139.199.1 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 29 July 2005.

Ultimate Marvel exists in a seperate continuity, therefore the characters should have seperate articles.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.110.140.76 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 5 August 2005.

Um, not according to the Wikipedia Project Comics guidelines - which specifically mention Ultimate Marvel as an example. I'm not about to suggest a merge (and I'm not familiar enough to be confident with editing Ultimate Fury info anyway), but sooner or later someone will suggest one. If you don't think that's a workable idea, it might be worth preparing some arguments as to why. --Mrph 23:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, now it's suggested... --Mrph 11:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Ultimate Nick Fury's first appearance was not in Ultimates #1. It was during the second arc of Ultimate X-Men, which predated Ultimates by quite a while.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.255.106.225 (talk • contribs) 05:29, 14 December 2005.

this article is lacking—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.228.12.70 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 19 June 2006.

Since Fury first appeared in an issue of Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, should Brian Bendis be listed as his creator rather than Mark Millar?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mac417 (talk • contribs) 12:41, 3 July 2006.

Why shouldn't this be merged with the Nick Fury article? Most Marvel characters who have Ultimate counterparts have both versions on the same page. Isn't it policy to have characters with the same name & done by the same publisher to share a page? Dr Archeville 19:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The Nick Fury from Ultimate Teamup is significantly different from the one who appeared in UXM Return to Weapon X so I think saying Millar is the creator is the most correct. Also leave it unmergedBushido Brown 20:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The two articles should definitely be merged together; all other Marvel characters share one article with their Ultimate counterpart. This shouldn't be any different.

Maybe those other ultimate caracters should be split from their 616 namesakes' articles then. Ultimate characters can even have their own alternate timeline counterparts and those counterparts should be mentioned in the articles of the Ultimate character they are based on.--Bushido Brown 22:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

That's a more general change, not something that's really specific to Ultimate Nick Fury - I think the place to raise suggestions regarding that would really be Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics/editorial_guidelines. Having said that, I think it's also been discussed before, so it might need some justification to overturn the previous decision? --Mrph 23:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just wondering...

Who is to say that the racial difference is 'the most notable' between the two? 68.195.47.239 23:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this seems a little odd. Surely the Samuel L Jackson implication is enough. Not to mention the baldness/hair being an equally noticable difference. -CieloVagrant

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and reword it. 68.195.47.239 22:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] appearance

while Ultimate Fury is African-American, and was in fact specifically tailored after actor Samuel L. Jackson with his permission.[1]

Isn't that his LATER appearance? Because I seem to remember the guy in marvel team-up and Ultimate X-men did NOT look like SLJ? --Charlesknight 13:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

I know this has already been discussed a little, but let's get the formal discussion out of the way - should Ultimate Nick Fury be merged with Nick Fury, or shouldn't it? The editorial guidelines on alternate versions specifically mention Ultimate Marvel as an example, and suggest that characters should be covered in a single article unless the main article "grows unmanageably large".

[edit] Survey

• Merge --Mrph 11:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
• No Merge Bad idea. Brian Boru is awesome 00:01, 16 October
• Merge - is it too late to vote? If not, I vote for a merge (Animedude 20:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC))

No CONCENSUS Brian Boru is awesome 16:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

• I know people have strong feelings on this... but Wolverine, Hulk and others are being merged - so why not Fury? There should be some consistency in which articles are/aren't merged,shouldn't there? --Mrph 11:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Ultimate Nick Fury is way different than the regular Nick Fury. He's a General and I don't remember seing the Avengers as a unit of SHIELD 616 (Marvel Universe Main). Brian Boru is awesome 00:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• The guidelines specifically say "Alternate versions of characters should have entries in the main article unless that article grows unmanageably large" and, due to the massive differences between Nick Fury and Ultimate Nick Fury, one of two things would happen if they merged, either the Nick Fury article would become exceedingly large and unworkable, or there would be sparse information on Ultimate Nick Fury, which wouldn't really cover the topic of him. Keep them seperate, as they are NOT the same character in any way, they are just 2 characters with the same name who fill the same void in two different universes in two completely different ways. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.184.156.76 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 29 October 2006.

^What he said --Bushido Brown 22:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• Why do we have to treat comics as something with less worth and dignity than anything else? Dammit, TV series and movies have pages for every single little detail, we can't have pages for two DIFFERENT UNIVERSES? Damn. This way, we'll have Ultimate characters with just a little resume, as if for being alternate versions they don't deserve anything more.--User:admvenom

• As a rule, Ultimate titles get their own article, but all alternate versions of a character get a single article. There are exceptions, but there is some sense behind it - comics tend to spawn an awful lot of variants. And in most cases if you're splitting articles for Age of Apocalypse/Marvel 616/Earth X/1602/Ultimate etc, etc... there's going to be an awful lot of repetition and duplication. In any case, decision was that there was no consensus to merge for Nick Fury...? --Mrph 16:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

• But you can't compare Ultimate Universe with all the other little alternate universe we've seen over the years. Spidey was the longest running title of the 2099 universe and it lasted "just" 46 issues. Ultimate U is, what, five years old now and will probably go on for a loooooong time. While ok, some characters have little roles and I can agree not to give them individual pages, people like Hulk, Nick Fury, Captain America, Iron Man, Spidey, the X-Men, etc...should have their own pages. If you put this page in the 616 Nick Fury page it will probably suffer a lot of cuts because it will be considered just a little part of that article, with less worth than 616 Nick Fury's fictional bio.

[edit] Appearance in Iron Man

Reports on screenings is that SLJ is in the Iron Man movie, after the credits. It was apparently removed in the pre-release viewings to maintain surprise. Suggest editing or sourcing this information. MikeSims (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed -- I just got home from the movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.203.3 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)