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[edit] Good Sources for "Americanization"

Here is a good source to begin populating the "Americanization" section of the article. It is an open letter to Anime fans regarding the changes that were made to the initial d franchise for a North American domestic release (manga and show) [1]AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 20:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Americanization. Deleted due to Vandalists?

I sense Deja Vu. It's like when EA altered the wiki entries for their pages trying to remove negative publicity from their articles to make them look good or something. The Criticism section use to have a whole bunch of information from what I remembered. Why in God's name was it removed?

The fact is that the criticism against TokyoPop is constructive with legitimate facts and it should be kept up there out of fairness and to provide a unbiased article.

Please protect those entries next time. And stop the Americanization fanboys from screwing with the articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.28.242 (talk) 10:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

That section needs expanding. You can be bold and add back to the article this source is a start and can be integrated into the article [2]AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 13:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
There was no vandalism. The information was removed because it was completely unsourced. We do not just post rumors or anything else, but verifiable information backed up by reliable sources. Collectonian (talk) 16:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I've made an attempt to expand the section with a couple of references. It needs work, but it's a start. I need some other sources, and need to expand the section beyond the changes made to inital d. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 12:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Collectonian, thanks for the clean up and fixing the refs - my wording left a bit to be desired, I wasn't intending to use non-neutral wording. I wrote the section quickly. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 14:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
No prob :) I wish we could find a better section name, though. Criticism automatically gives a negative connotation, which usually results in it being considered non-neutral. I thought about moving it into the history section, with a different lead in, but not sure it works well there either. Collectonian (talk) 15:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
How about "Localization Changes" or "Changes as a result of Localization". The Viz Media article also uses the term "criticism". AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 15:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. Alas, most of our anime company articles are not in such good shape. I'll see what the companies MOS (if there is one) suggests. Collectonian (talk) 15:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Check out this [3] for an Anime News Network Editorial about Tokyopop's changes. It's from co-Editor-in-Chief of ANN. He takes issue with the usage of the "100% Authentic" stamp on edited manga and makes some other points. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

However this article [4] states "Other than the Americanization of language, the [Tokyopop] manga are true to the original format, reading from right to left." There is some good information about the company history in there as well. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 20:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep. Both should be good. I have a link somewhere to TPs original announcement about stopping flipping. Probably somewhere in the Marmalade Boy articles since it was one of the first to not be flipped. Collectonian (talk) 21:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I'll see what else I can dig up - know they also completely changed the name of Tramps Like Us for the U.S. release as well. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, they have renamed several series, but that doesn't necessary mean its something they received a ton of criticism for. They renamed Karin to Chibi Vampire to avoid confusion with another series. I'd still love to know why Kimi wa Pet became Tramps Like Us, but not sure they explained it. Collectonian (talk) 15:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
This link is interesting [5], as is this one [6] There was an article I read yesterday when digging for links that took issue with the tramps like us renaming, I'll have to find it again. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 17:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm...good stuff for the history section there. I think coming from 1998, it should probably go there rather than controversy since it was when the company was still young, but if nothing else, we can get it written and sourced, then figure out arrangement. Collectonian (talk) 18:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Some more reading [7] AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 18:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if that last one meets WP:RS :) Collectonian (talk) 18:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Probably so, but there are some inline links that are valuable. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources to Support claim of American products

I've added these references. They are bare an unformatted. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 20:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tokyopop Group and split

Per the latest update, it looks like Tokyopop is going to rename itself to Tokyopop Group, and have two subsidiaries under it: Tokyopop, Inc. and Tokyopop Media. When the restructuring is done and the name official, I propose this article be renamed to Tokyopop Group, with redirects created for Tokyopop, Inc and Tokyopop Media. I do not thing either subsidiary will need a stand alone article, but the article will need to be expanded to include a subsidiary/divisions section (again, once the restructure is final). Much like has been done with Central Park Media (though with more content), Viz Media, and A.D. Vision. Thoughts? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Both the subdivisions of the "new TokyoPop" should be included in an entry called something like "TokyoPop Group" once the changes are announced officially. Timothy Perper (talk) 21:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking more of keeping this article, just moving it to the new name with the subsections on the Tokyopop, Inc and Tokyopop Media sections. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)