Talk:Tlaxcala (Nahua state)

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A good start to this article, but I wonder if we could come up with a more intuitive title. I realise Tlaxcala is taken for the contemporary mexican locality. If Tlaxcallān is the more authentic orthographic rendering of the polity's name, perhaps simply Tlaxcallān then, tho' this could be confusing. Or perhaps something along the lines of Tlaxcallān (Nahua state)...? Or reclaim Tlaxcala and disambiguate the contemporary and the historical?--cjllw | TALK 13:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I was aware of the problem, but thought that we should discuss it and probably change it anyway. My stance is that Tlaxcallān is more authentic, but really its a quection about the nahuatl namerendering policy we chose to adopt. Any of the options you state might work. Maunus 17:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Maunus, I also believe that we need to rename this article to the most common English name for Tlaxcallān, which is Tlaxcala. This is from Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English):

If a native spelling uses different letters than the most common English spelling (e.g., Wien vs. Vienna), only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form.

Also:

Article titles should use the Latin alphabet, not any other alphabets or other writing systems such as syllabaries or Chinese characters. However, any non-Latin-alphabet native name should be given within the first line of the article (with a Latin-alphabet transliteration if the English name does not correspond to a transliteration of the native name). Also, a non-Latin-alphabet redirect could be created to link to the actual Latin-alphabet-titled article.

I believe it's important that we keep the structure of Wikipedia simple enough that the general population, including schoolkids, will find it useful.

Like CJLL, I think we should disambiguate have separate articles about the modern Tlaxcala and the Nauhautl city-state. Note sure what the disambiguator (what a word!) should be. Madman 20:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. We've needed an article like this. Thanks

It is done. Are you all ok with the new state of affairs? Maunus 10:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your work, Maunus. Madman 12:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC)