Talk:Tiškevičiai Palace, Palanga

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Comments	M.K. 07:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

An entry from Tiškevičiai Palace, Palanga appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 8 April 2007.

[edit] Tyszkiewicz Palace

This article should be renamed to Tyszkiewicz Palace, Palanga. Tyszkiewicz is commonly used to refer to Tyszkiewicz family, their property and to that palace in particular, compare: 109 google hits for "Tyszkiewicz Palace"+Palanga to 37 Google hits for "Tiškevičiai Palace"+Palanga. Also, there are 2 Google Print results for "Tyszkiewicz palace Palanga" and none at all for Tiškevičiai palace (even without Palanga).-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

This article should not be renamed. Indeed lets compare: 23 and 21 or 23 Quite a small gap to determine that current name is wrong. But this is not the main reseon, current name is officially used, including museum and Association of Museum publications such as [1]. Second "little" inaccuracy - palace is not their property. So I do not see any reason why current name is bad or why it should be changed. M.K. 09:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Tyszkiewicz Palace is used in print. Tyszkiewicz is more popular than Tiškevičiai (hence the Tiškevičiai redirect to Tyszkiewicz). And finally, official page of the Amber Museum clearly gives precedent to Tyszkiewicz compared to Tiškevičiai.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

First of all it is not important that redirects where, because we talking about building name. And yes finally, official page of the Amber Museum clearly gives precedent that palace is called TIŠKEVIČIŲ RŪMAI (which direct translation is used in this article as well) rather then Tyszkiewicz rūmai. Name of the article used in printed versions (one abstract from Museums already provided above), as well as in different articles in web, rather then wikipedia clones or photo gallerias of so called "109" hints. Therefore I regard this discussion as over, as there are no arguments why established name by Museums should not be used M.K. 12:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I can not see the point of argue - it might well be Tyszkiewicz Palace for a historical sake, like Radziwill Palace, Vilnius, Sapieha Palace, Vilnius and Slushko Palace. This time I would support the consistency.

Moreover, I oppose the merger since both articles are now valuable in their own sense. Besides, if the article Palanga Botanical Park is created - should it be merged as well and with what article then, because it is also inseparable from the palace? There are more similar examples such as Louvre Museum and Palais du Louvre, which is even a shorter article compared to this one. Iulius 07:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree there is no need to merge; I have removed the merge note from that page (I think M.K. did it on the other end). I think the WP:UE and English popularity of Tyszkiewicz variant should lead us to use that one, but it is a minor issue.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  15:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Another example how Lithuanian WP users retrospectively falsify history. Family of Tyszkiewicz themselves not used Lithuanian names, because were Polish speakers. Names used currently in Lithuania cann't be used as argument because all names in Lithuania are lithuanized. In serious literature Lithuanian researchers avoids backward lithuanization. Good example, this summer I was in Panemunė Castle and got a flyer written by professionals where is stated that castle was build by Eperjesz both in English and German, only in Lithuanian is used lithuanized form - Eperješas. 81.7.98.250 (talk) 08:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The ownership of the palace.

I've also heard that Alfred Tyszkiewicz and his wife formally donated the palace to the city of Palanga. It would be good to verify when this actually happened. I believe in 1990s ? --Lysy^talk 10:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)