Talk:The Hotchkiss School
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[edit] Notable Alumni
Owen's the man, but he isn't "notable" just because he's related to someone important. Wait for him to make his own mark on the world, then put him up. Not to mention that he's screwing up the slick alphabetization of that list. --12.39.80.98 23:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- The list of Alumni has gotten ridiculously long, it should probably be cut down a fair bit. - Schrandit (talk) 08:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- How about a seperate page for alums. Most of them are pretty notable.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 02:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
Starting the article with The prestigious Hotchkiss School smacks of POV. No evidence is presented for the claims in the second sentence It is one of the wealthiest high schools in the world and one of the most competitive to gain admission to. This is not the way to establish notability, and sounds more like an advertisement than like an encyclopedic entry. Rl 18:50, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I have deleted 'prestigious', which may be true but doesn't add anything useful. I have also deleted the reference to one of the most competitive to get into - it is highly competitive, but so are many other high schools. I have provided evidence for other claims. --Iceaxejuggler 09:57, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks, good work. Rl 11:15, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Advertizing
Is Iceaxejuggler employed by Hotchkiss? As an alumnus and son of an alumnus, I'm embarassed to see Wikipedia coopted as a forum for advertizing my alma mater. Hotchkiss is not 'known for its arts, photography and video programs, and a 715-seat glass-enclosed performing arts center and music pavilion opened in spring 2005' it is known in literature and tradition as a rather pretentious prep. school for the sons (and lately daughters) of wealthy or well-connected New Yorkers. I have a limited amount of time to devote to sabotaging this advertisement, but I would like to appeal to the users of Wikipedia: do you really want an institution as wealthy as Hotchkiss boasts itself to be taking advantage of a free forum to put across a glossy, whitewashed picture of itself? Let's cut out the prospectus copy, eh? Hotchkiss can print that up in three colors and mail it out without our help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.132.22.38 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 12 August 2005.
- You're right. Clearly Hotchkiss isn't all that great, cos they never even taught us how to spell "advertizing" correctly. --24.13.230.172 21:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Most editors couldn't care less about articles on highschools, let alone prep schools. Those who do care tend to be highly critical of them. And then there are those who are interested in individual schools, usually because they are somehow related (alumni, staff, students) – they write all these school articles. Very few of them ever make an attempt at writing an encyclopedic article. — If you have any sources for your description of the school, such additions would be welcome; shouldn't be too hard if it is "known in literature". Also, feel free to make any other edits that improve the article. We ask people to be bold when editing. Rl 21:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC
- The sentence that you quote is not my material, I merely rearranged what someone else had written to make it more grammatical and to tone it down (and I would fully agree with you that this section currently reads as a somewhat boring ad). I would echo R1's comments, and encourage you to make revisions that will turn this into a more rounded article.Iceaxejuggler, 14 August 2005
I am a '97 grad and have added some information on counterculture at hotchkiss and a bit about the darker side of the founding of the school. i say this all with love; i'm a loyal grad, but i think the school deserves to be represented by more than a glossy photo.LawTree 20:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I went to The Hill. I never got the Hotchkiss thing. Graduates of Hotchkiss always strike me as uptight little white-washed weenies--just like Princetonians.
Hotchkiss students often are "uptight little white-washed weenies," just like anyone who goes to a prestigious New England boarding school (or Ivy League College, for that matter). Hotchkiss... The Hill... Deerfield, etc... it's all the same, you hypocritical putz.
I am a Hotchkiss alum and I was able to dig up some quotations by alums, some of them public figures, telling it like it was. For example, Thomas Hoving (museum curator), Julian Houston (judge and author), and Archibald MacLeish (poet and Librarian of Congress). Private schools may like to boast about their alums, but it's certainly interesting to look into how they actually felt about the school.69.182.129.15 03:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey guys I have begun A MASSIVE re-hauling of the site but I still need a picture for the school seal for some reason I cannot upload it. It would help if you guys could start referencing/linking all of the companies, universities, people ect. in the alumni list that would be extremely helpful thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotchkisshaka (talk • contribs) 13:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
Obvious POV issues; main editor is apparently affiliated with the school, as evidenced by the user name. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 06:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
If you are referring to me as the main editor, I am absolutely not affiliated with the school in anyway other than the fact that I was admitted there. I have never even been to the school for that matter. In addition to that you should judge POV based on actual evidence of POV not merely make a baseless accusation. I am sure you will find that this is a very neutral and absolutely not a self promoting article. • contribs) 14:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys I realized that the alumni list is a bit long, but all the people I listed are rather notable so I am wondering how I can create another page to house the Alumni list much like they do on Exeter's page. Well i'll look that up, However I am also wondering how to license photos, where do I get the license of an image I took myself? Or an image I took from a friend ? or an image I found off the internet ? Thanks that would help if you could explain this all to me. Alright bye. I'll be working on the alumni list for now. Bye.
Oh and also please do help me fix my formating of the headers and divisions, I am not sure that I did it right it kind of looks a tad ugly f indeed I did not do it properly I would be grateful if you could fix it for me thanks.
EXCUSE ME ! STOP PUTTING HTE NPOV SIGN UP UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE IT ! GIVE ME A QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE THAT IS POV AND I SHALL BE SURE TO ADRESS IF YOU CANNOT DO THAT GO AWAY!
And by the way I was not lying when I said I am not affiliated with the school at all because I am not. I was just recently admitted and was named a hotchkiss scholar, so I have no reason to advertise the school unabashedly AND I HAVE OT DONE SO!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotchkisshaka (talk • contribs) 15:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- sat an expanse of land known for its beauty and commanding views - established itself as one of the premier secondary schools in the country. - Hotchkiss offers a classical education, finding strength in a traditional approach that has worked well and stood the test of time. - Hotchkiss provides the academic resources students need to explore their own interests, to give voice or vision to their own ideas, and to communicate in the languages of various subject areas -... are easily accessible through powerful on-line indices from any location on the campus network. - Elfers Hall seats 700 and has excellent acoustics -Faculty members and senior proctors.... provide extensive supervision and guidance. - One of the Top 100 Contributors to Biotechnology (< no source) - The spacious, glass-walled, 640-seat music pavilion will command panoramic views of nearby Litchfield hills and lakes. - Hotchkiss seeks a diverse and experienced faculty dedicated not only to teaching academic courses but also to aiding the full personal growth of each student R3ap3R.inc (talk) 15:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I owe you an apology Sir, you have a point I shall work on that section of the article then in due course for now I have to finish the new alumni page though but as soon as I do i will work on the article. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotchkisshaka (talk • contribs) 15:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough; all I ask is that the NPOV tag be respected... it is not designed to be inflammatory, but to promote neutrality. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sources: Citations
Please add more in-text citations to this article. This will help with the NPOV concerns. In light of these two issues, I am bumping this article down to High until proved otherwise. — Calebrw (talk) 23:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Class=B
maybe a B Victuallers 12:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC) ... but requires more third party references. There are meant to be clever students and alumni from this school... this can be fixed. High importance (as a lot of impressive alumni) .... but are there independent refs that they did ? .... we need references! Victuallers (talk) 20:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Concur with Start/High.Needs many additional third-party references. Many unverified claims here that could, for all I know, be straight from the pages of the schools recruitment material."In the late 1800s, at the crossing of two country roads in Lakeville, Connecticut, sat an expanse of land known for its beauty and commanding views.[neutrality disputed] On these 65 acres, which at the time comprised open fields and several houses, Maria Bissell Hotchkiss chose to found The Hotchkiss School.[citation needed] Today, that original gift of land anchors a 545-acre campus with academic and residential buildings, playing fields and green lawns, the deepest freshwater lake in Connecticut, and lovely vistas of the Berkshire mountains. Hotchkiss is by design a medium-sized school in a large school setting—a setting located in an area designated by The Nature Conservancy as one of 200 “Last Great Places.”[cite this quote]" The opening paragraph of the history section is nothing but flowery rethoric. Much more is needed. — Calebrw (talk) 14:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok guys I understand your POV concerns, I will add citations soon and remove some of the "flowery" language used above I concur it does sound self promoting. After I finish this however I hope that we agree that this school should be rated "top" importance because like I have said before this school has produced numerous industrial giants and is the third richest amongst the Prep school behind exeter and andover which is why i think it deserves to be ranked as "top" rated. I am Hotchkisshaka by the way —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.214.181 (talk) 12:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
