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[edit] "Kitsch, and very English..."

.........as an unimpressed BBC1 announcer described it during its last repeat. Like so much British stuff that Americans seem to adore, in Britain it's viewed as old-fashioned and rather silly. Remember, "cult" stuff only appeals to a minority, by definition. Dolmance (talk) 17:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested Minor Corrections

Although it is noted on the page that other surviving episodes exist, referring to "the surviving episode 'The Persuaders'" suggests that this is the only episode to exist from this season. I'd like to suggest that this be rephrased. I'd also like to suggest that since one of the surviving episodes is named, that the other complete episode ("Girl on the Trapese") also be named - particularly as it is one of the episodes not featuring John Steed that is referred to in the article.

"Missing, Believed Wiped", November 2003 was the event at which "Girl on a Trapeze" was returned, amongst other notable recoveries. The article does talk about the recovered episode, but might be too general. There may be better, more specific accounts. OTOH, it would seem better to have a link to the recovery that is somewhat appropriate than no link at all.

[edit] The day before Friday the 13th

I removed the following addition to the article:'

"Every episode took place on Thursday the 12th, as indicated by a one-page-per-day calendar shown at some point during the hour in an incidental way."

I've been an Avengers watcher for many years and I've never heard of this. Can anyone provide a source or substantiate this piece of trivia. It's cool if it's true, however if it is reinstated it should be placed under "Trivia", and I don't think we can say that every episode takes place on the 12th unless someone has information regarding the David Keel episodes. 23skidoo 02:32, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think this anecdote relates to the "Thursday the 12th" page of the giant-sized calendar card seen during the faked dream sequence in the colour Rigg episode, "Death's Door". A short time later, when Steed and then Peel are shrunk in "Mission: Highly Improbable", they are seen scurrying around on a desk. The giant-sized calendar card prop showing "Thursday the 12th" reappears as one of the giant props on this desk. As far as I know the calendar page (being giant-sized) appeared in only these two episodes. MinorEdit July 3, 2005 01:10 (UTC)

Correct- I just watched a couple different episodes on DVD, and unless the dates were listed on the newspapers that were used as props (the print was too small to read the dates), I could find no other sources in the shows that would have given the date.Grynman 02:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

I can't think of a natural way to insert it into the article, but the character of Purdey from "The New Avengers" was named after the famous English gun manufacturer James Purdey and Sons. [1] Furthermore, Joanna Lumley's hairstyle became quite notorious. [2] That link is to "Hairfinder, the International Hair Directory". The 70's version was just as dismal and grim as the updated Return of the Saint or the Rover SD1, or drunken fat men. -Ashley Pomeroy 22:06, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Talking of hair, some accounts say that Linda Thorson's hair was completely destroyed prior to the first episodes being recorded, in a disasterous attempt to make her blonde. Also on Linda Thorson, there have been claims that she tried to perform all of her own stunts (much to the chagrin of the stuntwoman) and had some scripts edited to make this easier on her. I do not have definitive references to these.

Another tidbit. Sir Robert Peel founded Scotland Yard. So Mrs. Peel as crime fighter has a subtext beyond "Man Appeal." <>< tbc 21:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Africa TV

A recent edit states South Africa didn't have TV till 1976. That sounds a bit late. Can anyone confirm that? 23skidoo 06:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A Touch of Brimstone

Could someone please take a look at A Touch of Brimstone and judge whether it should be merged or not. The JPS 22:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

IMO Avengers episodes are notable enough to warrant their own articles, just as is being done with Star Trek, Doctor Who and other shows. However there needs to be a bit more than is shown here. This needs to be expanded, and if it's the only episode with an article, then more episode articles need to be written. 23skidoo 22:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Avengers

Looking things over, I saw no reason why New Avengers shouldn't be an article by itself. After all there are separate articles for, say, Star Trek: The Next Generation which was also a sequel/revival of an older series. I have created The New Avengers (TV series) and moved most of the show information there. 23skidoo 16:58, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clemens

Should there be more behind-the-scenes information in the article? It seems odd that neither Brian Clemens nor Laurie Johnson are mentioned, for example. --Whouk (talk) 09:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Feel free to add more material. I haven't gotten around to talking about the music, for example. (If you mention Johnson, don't forget Johnny Dankworth, too). 23skidoo 15:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I have made a modest start of a production team section (although feel free to integrate this differently). There's obviously loads more information that should go in but it's a start. --Whouk (talk) 19:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prime time success

I made a small adjustment to the caption on the new TV Guide image. To my understanding The Avengers was not the first British series to be a prime-time success in the US as both The Saint and Secret Agent (a.k.a. Danger Man) had both aired in prime time in the US (and did well) before The Avengers came over. 23skidoo 19:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing the article just now, I see where the "first" comment comes from, though it says it was the first to be shown in the US without alteration. This is incorrect as the famous chessboard prologue was, I believe, added to the American version and didn't appear on the original UK broadcast. 23skidoo 19:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hot Snow DVD release

I just saw for the first time a copy of the new Emma Peel Collection DVD set that A&E has put out. They're including a bonus disc that includes the three episodes known to exist from the first season. ~~There's no indication that Hot Snow, which is included, is incomplete. Does anyone know if a complete version has been discovered?~~ 23skidoo 23:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I deleted my question from earlier as the Amazon site confirms that Hot Snow is only 15 minutes or so long. I left the rest of my comment for interest's sake. 23skidoo 23:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episodes transfer to own article...

Frankly, they're crowding up the page and should best be kept in its own article connected hereto.. DrWho42 03:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll transfer them now. —Wh o uk (talk) 08:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

And now done. The page was 48kb - now it's below the 32kb warning level. —Wh o uk (talk) 08:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ian Hendry image

Now that magazine covers have been effectively banned from Wikipedia, we're left with no image of Ian Hendry's David Keel. Does anyone have an alternate image they can upload, perhaps a screen capture from the recent DVD release of the season 1 episodes? 23skidoo 13:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diana Rigg

I felt that each of the three main "assistants" deserved an image, especially the one from the most well-rememberd Avengers episodes. laddiebuck 01:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

There used to be one, but it was lost when Wikipedia cracked down on magazine cover images. We should also have an Ian Hendry image, too. (It was also lost when the magazines were taken away). 23skidoo 19:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:AvengersBook1.jpg

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[edit] Ratings

Hi:

I think the article could do with a bit about how well the show did in its ratings. It seems that every box set describes the series as a cult show, but my understanding is that the show was hardly the enthusiasm of a few dedicated fans, but wildly popular. There was a real spy craze at the time on television (Man from Uncle, Mission Impossible, and innumerable cookie-cutter offerings from ITV) so how well did The Avengers do in such a crowded marketplace?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgGReUTkZVI

Just wondering.

[edit] External Link

I added the site theavengerstv.com which links amongst others to The Avengers Forever website. This and the other sites give a comprehensive overview of all relating to The Avengers. This link was removed as it was just a "fan site". I feel it should be added as there are no better sites around if you need/want more information. Is there any reason this cannot be added, I wonder? Bigar 08:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

There's marked discrimination (that some claim is supported by policy) that pretty much prohibits the citing of any websites that aren't "official" when referring to pop culture topics. Of course no one bats an eye when websites that are basically fan sites for politicians and political parties are cited ... 68.146.41.232 16:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Authorized Australian fan fiction?

I'm calling doubt on the statement that the 4-volume Australian set added to the bibliography was truly authorised. I can find nothing to support this, and if it were authorised it would have been published elsewhere. Can anyone provide a citation to support that the four releases were in fact authorized? 68.146.41.232 16:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Wrong network...

This was classified as being from the American Broadcasting Company, but it's actually from the OTHER ABC(Associated British Corporation) in England...pleas re-classify it under "British TV dramas"...Michaela92399 (talk) 17:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

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