Talk:Tennis performance timeline comparison (women)

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 6 Nov 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

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[edit] Remaining work on this article

(1) Create a Wikipedia article for each of the following players: Dora Koring, Carrie Neely, Louise Hammond, Florence Sutton, Eleanora Sears, Helen Homans, Evelyn Sears, Winifred McNair, Dorothy Green, Marie Wagner, Louise Hammond Raymond, Marion Vanderhoef, Eleanor Goss, Joan Fry Lakeman, Irene Bowder Peacock, Katherine Le Mesurier, Nancy Lyle Glover, Dorothy "Dot" Stevenson, Emily Hood Westacott, Ginette Jucker Bucaille Grandguillot, Beryl Penrose Collier, Jenny Staley Hoad, Helen Angwin, Dianne Fromholtz Balestrat, Betsy Nagelsen, and Sharon Walsh. Include a Grand Slam singles performance timeline in each of their articles. Add their results to this article as necessary.

(2) Determine which players reached at least one Grand Slam or Olympic singles final before 1901 and who are not yet listed in the article. Create Wikipedia pages for them as necessary. Add their results to the article.

(3) Add to the article the results of the following players who already have Wikipedia articles: Elizabeth Ryan, Molla Bjurstedt Mallory, Maud Barger Wallach, Mary Browne, Myrtle McAteer, Charlotte Cooper, Muriel Robb, May Sutton, Penelope Boothby, Dora Boothby, Marguerite Broquedis, Blanche Bingley Hillyard, Ethel Thomson Larcombe, Dorothea Douglass Chambers, Marion Zinderstein Jessup, Agnes Morton, Elisabeth Moore, Marion Jones, Sylvia Hanika, Christine O'Neill, Barbara Jordan, and Julie Vlasto. Create Grand Slam singles performance timelines for their articles wherever necessary.

(4) Flesh out the introduction while remaining strictly WP:NPOV. Perhaps find and discuss external written materials regarding women's tennis by decade.

(5) Finish adding flags and left-aligning player names.

Updated by Tennis expert 03:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article size

This article is in the top ten longest articles. In order to conform better with Wikipedia:Article size, consider splitting it up chronologically. I don't know if this will impair continuity, but I don't see why it would. YechielMan 19:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flags

The logic behind my choices of flag - I chose the flag of the country the person was playing under at the time. Hence Jausovec being YUG and Zvereva URS. What should happen to players who changed citizenship such as Navaratilova and Seles? -- Phildav76 21:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this page needed?

Personally, I don't think so. What value does it give to our understanding of tennis? Oplossing is duidelijk 15:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order within tables

Should we sort players within a table by number of winnings, finals, semifinals...etc during one period?--Jdjerich 18:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needlessly detailed entry

Tennis performance timeline comparison (women) is listed as number six on Cracked.com's The 8 Most Needlessly Detailed Wikipedia Entries. Please try to address the concerns listed in that article. -- Jreferee t/c 14:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

External criticisms can be useful but this is rubbish. This is one guy, obviously not a tennis fan, bemoans:
    • the fact that it's women's tennis
    • the lack of Kournikova

Yohan euan o4 (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Terminology

This article is incorrect in it's wording when using the term "grand slam" throughout the listing. The French was not a slam or international tournament prior to 1925. I suggest changing the wording to remove any mention of slams or grand slams and simply list the 4 championships. One could also remove French winners prior to 1925 but that would be too drastic and unneeded imho. I don't care which way the consensus wants to go here but it is in error-state the way it stands now. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting this article

This article needs to be splitted ASAP. I propose to split this into 4 parts: Tennis performance timeline comparison (women): 1901-1928, Tennis performance timeline comparison (women): 1929-1956, Tennis performance timeline comparison (women): 1957-1984, and Tennis performance timeline comparison (women): 1985-2010. Any comments or suggestions are welcome. If there is no discussion in one week, I'll split this page, as mentioned.--Crzycheetah 23:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it doesn't need to be split (ASAP or otherwise) because splitting would ruin one of the primary reasons for having all the information in one place: enabling easy comparisons across tennis eras. Therefore, I strenuously object to your splitting the article. Tennis expert (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
It is hard to edit because of the large size. Splitting is needed in order for this page to be useful for others who can't open a page this big.--Crzycheetah 23:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
No, it's not hard to edit. Simply select the section you want to edit and then make the edits. And how many people can't open a page this big? Not many in this day and age. Tennis expert (talk) 23:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
But there still are, you have to keep that in mind. Many users from developing countries still use 56K. On top of that, it's hard to navigate through the page, it takes several seconds until a desired section opens up.--Crzycheetah 23:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adding unknown names

User:Tennis expert, why do you keep adding players that should not belong to this timeline based on the criteria that is stated in the lead? If those players were finalists of any of the tournaments, then why don't you find the info first, then add that player to this article?--Crzycheetah 23:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Your assumption is incorrect, and I have already done exactly what you're suggesting. Ever player in this table has reached at least one Grand Slam singles final or Olympic final. Every single one of them. I challenge you to find even one who has not. The remaining task is to add their results from every Grand Slam or Olympic event (regardless of whether they reached the final). This is why there are "blanks" next to some of their names. Quit vandalizing the article. Tennis expert (talk) 05:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, find the info first, then add them! Now, I'd suggest you to create a subpage at your userspace and leave those names theere until you find the information on them.--Crzycheetah 06:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I did not tell you to revert then add. I just said add the info on already normal tables, not on those wide tables that've been here.--Crzycheetah 07:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
All right, then you make the tables normal. For example, the first section should be up until 1910 for the table to have a normal size. 1911 and 1912 columns go out of the pages borders and making the table wide; therefore 1911 and 1912 columns should be in a separate section.--Crzycheetah 07:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Shrink the font on your webpage by 1. You'll be able to see everything fine then. On Firefox in Windows, for example, hit "control-". Tennis expert (talk) 08:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I use IE7 and I've tried to shrink the font, but then I had a hard time reading the names. That's why, I am saying that this page is very hard to navigate.--Crzycheetah 08:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)