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Contents 1 Various IPs of OLTL vandal 2 Stub class vs Start class 3 Web Terms of Use 4 BamBam's Emmy nomination 5 Barnstar 6 My Soap Opera Userboxes 7 Question 8 List of Dune Planets 9 T`ea Delgado 10 My Buchanan Family article 11 Dorian Lord 12 bit More about you! 13 Minor minors on General Hospital 14 Bianca Montgomery 15 LGBT WikiProject Newsletter 15.1 WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles 15.2 Is Pride POV? 15.3 Harvey Milk and Jim Jones 15.4 Queer Studies is offensive! 15.5 Lambda Literary Awards 15.6 Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery 15.7 This month's Wiki stars 15.8 Compulsive hoarding of templates 15.9 The Violet Quill and magazines 15.10 Mom's nagging for Pride Month 15.11 Fresh faces to brighten our pages 16 CHOAM 17 General Hospital images 18 Red Links

[edit] Various IPs of OLTL vandal

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[edit] Stub class vs Start class

I recently created a page for Frank Herbert’s short story "A Matter of Traces" and you rated it as "start class" on the quality scale which I appreciate. The reason I'm writing to you is because I have created pages on other short stories (some of which were, in my opinion, better than the one you evaluated) have had them rated as stubs. Probably the best page I've created was on the short story "Gert Fram" by Orson Scott Card. I was a bit surprised when it got a stub rating. What exactly is the difference between a stub and a start class page? Pmcalduff (talk) 07:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The choice of stub vs. start can be kind of arbitrary, as the actual criteria are relatively vague. I personally feel like stubs are total bare-bones articles, and that Start class covers a broader range of small/incomplete articles. Some editors are more strict. In the case of "A Matter of Traces," it needs expansion but I think it covers the basics, which to me is beyond a stub. I also "upgraded" "Gert Fram" because as you say, it's more substantial. — TAnthony^Talk 18:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. If it's not too much trouble could you take a look at some other pages I've created and possibly "upgrade" them as well? Don't worry, I won't ask you to look at the pages I created that are obviously stubs.

Novels by Orson Scott Card:

A War of Gifts: An Ender Story

Short stories by Orson Scott Card:

The Polish Boy - Teacher's Pest - Ender's Game - Investment Counselor - Mazer in Prison - Pretty Boy - Cheater - A Young Man with Prospects - The Gold Bug - Ender's Stocking - Prentice Alvin and the No-Good Plow - Billy's Box - The Best Family Home Evening Ever - Bicicleta - I Think Mom and Dad Are Going Crazy, Jerry - Gert Fram - Fat Farm - Middle Woman - The Best Day - A Plague of Butterflies

Thank you. Pmcalduff (talk) 06:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd be happy to take a look; you may also note that I added the WP:NOVELS/short story task force banner to both Herbert story articles but did not assess them. Kevinalewis is diligent about assessing new articles for that Project and I know he has his own criteria as well. He tagged them both as Starts, but I'm not sure in this case if he looked at them and agreed with my assessment, or just "took my word" on it and updated the banner alone. — TAnthony^Talk 16:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Pmcalduff (talk) 01:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I just finished with another batch of stories by OCS and I was hoping you'd take a look at them as well:

• "West"
• "Salvage"
• "The Fringe"
• "Pageant Wagon"
• "America"

Pmcalduff (talk) 05:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Web Terms of Use

NBC

http://www.nbc.com/Footer/Privacy/privacy_policy_5.shtml

ABC

http://disney.go.com/corporate/legal/terms.html?lid=ABCCOMGlobalFooter&lpos=TERMS)

• User talk:Abu badali#Promotional images

[edit] BamBam's Emmy nomination

Hey, do you know where you got that statement from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences? I think it'd probably be nice to cite that. -- Dougie WII (talk) 18:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe the quote was from Soap Opera Digest but I actually have a copy of the letter from the Academy; I was thinking I could upload it to Photobucket to use as a source, as I've seen done with magazine articles, but that brings up Theresa Crane verifiability issues for me, so I don't know, LOL

OK, I can reveal my secret now ... since tomorrow is the last tape day of Passions, I can admit to those of you watching my page that I work for the show. I'll be striking everything for the next few weeks so let me know if there's any info I can dig up before it's boxed away, LOL. Not that anything I could tell you can be considered from a reliable source. Like obviously anything that can solve the Theresa Crane dilemma. — TAnthony^Talk 02:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's awesome! -- Dougie WII (talk) 02:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Holy crap, that is fabulous. Before I start asking questions, what type of information do you have access to, and what can you reveal? — Spanish lullaby (talk) 03:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL, I CANNOT tell you what's going to happen;) The show is airing thru like August in DirecTV, they're dragging it out. I just meant, if you want me to dig up the credits from show #405 or the last line of the 5th scene of the script for #6, LOL. — TAnthony^Talk 04:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL, I figured as much. It was worth a shot, though.  :P Honestly, all I'd like to ask is that you give James E. Reilly a massively mean glare for me should he ever descend from Olympus or wherever it is he seems to think he resides and make his way to LA. — Spanish lullaby (talk) 20:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I have half a box of leftover business cards, anybody have a birdcage to line?? ;) — TAnthony^Talk 04:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

My biggest question is to JER, why did he make a show with a great backstory and wonderful characters then squander it all with storylines that never end, couples who are never happy, forcing even the most ardent fans of the show have a love-hate relationship with it? -- Dougie WII (talk) 08:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL, we have ALL asked questions like that, especially now that we're out of work! But he works from home on the East Coast. — TAnthony^Talk 17:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

This so sad... I guess there's no hope left for the show? I just hope things were wrapped up properly if so. -- Dougie WII (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the fans will be happy with it ... — TAnthony^Talk 20:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I must say good luck to you and all the other cast members and crew! It was great while it lasted. If I win the lottery I'll try to buy the rights and start again! -- Dougie WII (talk) 22:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Same here... Passions has been a major part of my teen years, and I really appreciate everything that everyone involved with the show has done over the past nine years. Best of luck to you and everyone else in the future.  :) — Spanish lullaby (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks to you both, it is a great bunch of people here and we have honestly had a lot of fun doing this show all these years. Everybody really appreciates the fans because they're so supportive and they're what have kept us going this long. We've had a nice run but this is what the TV business is, most shows don't last forever! — TAnthony^Talk 01:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

OH, HAIL NO, you little TARD =) ~ You got to work with Eric Martsoff (damn, I can't ever spell his name right) every day??? That's so freakin' cool (and I don't know how I missed this thread for so many days). So JER really is as reclusive as they say? Did you work there when Josh Ryan Evans died? That was one of the saddest days in my soap viewing. Josh, Douglass Watson (Mac from Another World), and MacDonald Carey were the saddest losses of NBC daytime. I am sorry about you being unemployed. That's rough in California. I hope you find something soon. Good luck in your job hunt. KellyAna (talk) 01:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL, Eric's on camera RIGHT NOW but of course I can't say what he's doing or saying ;) Yeah, I have been here since the very beginning, it was definitely a starnge and sad time when Josh passed away. Thanks for the well wishes, I'll let ya know where I land next. ;) — TAnthony^Talk 01:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahhhhhhhhhh is about all I can say to that. He's so hot. Hotter than James Scott (but I'll deny I said that forever). Wish him well too and I hope he ends up on a soap or show I like. Damn he's one fine man. YUMMMMMM!!! Okay, so you now know my major crush and why I stay away from his article because I'm not objective about it. He needs to join Days of our Lives and come to Burlington in August. In all seriousness, I know being out of work can suck, I hope you find something soon. Oh, if only you could get me Eric's autograph. His and Juliet Mills. I've loved her since Nanny and the Professor and she is my second all time fave Passions character. KellyAna (talk) 01:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Many tears last night, but I think the fans will be happy with how it all turns out! You may even see me on camera, I'll let you know ;) Kelly, didn't get this until today, but we have a final party and I'll see what I can do ... — TAnthony^Talk 22:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if you remember the Santa Barbara ending but I felt the most bad for the crew that they showed on the last ep. It was so sad. If you're one of those I'm going to bawl my eyes out. I'll miss Passions but I'm worried about you being out of work in California. Good luck and the Gods' speed to you. KellyAna (talk) 23:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you much, but don't worry, I'm awesome and will no doubt get another show right away, LOL. I'm not sure how it will look on screen, but if SB's crew made you tear up, you may want to have the tissues ready. ;) — TAnthony^Talk 07:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

So, what did you do for the show? Just curious. -- Dougie WII (talk) 18:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm the Production Manager, though not for long ;) — TAnthony^Talk 05:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Was there any thought of moving the show to a weekly primetime show? I think it would do better there if it could be compressed into one weekly episode. NBC has nothing but crap in its primetime line up now. The only thing I regularly watch on NBC now is Meet the Press -- Dougie WII (talk) 22:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

We were never a huge hit so I think they just gave up on it. Realistically, there is no reason for them to have thought we would do better at night, and it would be more expensive to produce ... but who knows? The novela thing seems to only work for the Latin culture, however. It's just a shame because we were such a well-oiled machine. — TAnthony^Talk 23:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, who thought it would work on DirecTV? Half the time my DVR won't even record it during the week or records the same show three times. I know a lot of people who rely on DVR for their soaps. I took to catching it on the weekends because it was reliable most weekends. I wish they had just cut a deal with SoapNet instead of DTV and I had DTV before it switched over. KellyAna (talk) 23:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Dougie, you won't believe this, but I actually have the plaque from your image, I'll pose for pics with it later, LOL. — TAnthony^Talk 01:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

LOL that's great! I was actually going to ask you about that but never got around to it. Glad you got it! -- Dougie WII (talk) 01:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Soap Opera Barnstar
		You have been awarded the Soap Opera Barnstar for your contributions to Passions both on Wikipedia and in real life! Dougie WII (talk) 05:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

LOL, thanks! — TAnthony^Talk 05:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I really did love that show. -- Dougie WII (talk) 05:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Soap Opera Userboxes

Why are you taking the images out of my soap opera userboxes? The King Gemini (talk) 22:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I left a message on your talk page before I did it, and also explained in the edit summaries. Your soap opera userboxes violate fair use policy, as fair use images may only be used in articles (not user pages) per Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria#Policy Item 9. — TAnthony^Talk 02:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That's a stupid policy. The King Gemini (talk) 17:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL. You wouldn't think so if you were the copyright owner of the images. — TAnthony^Talk 19:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait. You own the images? The King Gemini (talk) 14:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha, no. I just meant, the use of the images may not seem like a big deal to you, but it is to the owners of the shows. The whole reason we police the use of images so tightly is that if there is a lot of "abuse" going on at Wikipedia, the eventual lawsuits would disallow us from using any fair use images at all. And most of the images here are fair use, meaning they are owned by someone who has not granted permission for their use. Minimal use at a small size in certain instances is allowable, but that's it. — TAnthony^Talk 21:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

What kind of abuse has been going on? The King Gemini (talk) 17:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Random people constantly upload and use images inappropriately, which violates copyright and fair use laws. If we don't monitor and prevent this, it opens Wikipedia up to lawsuits by the copyright owners. So it is nothing personal, but images are only allowed to be used here in very specific ways. — TAnthony^Talk 02:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, OK. I didn't know about that. Images get used inappropriately? How? The King Gemini (talk) 03:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Do you know what real-life town was used in Passions as Harmony in the closing credits, etc.? Thanks. -- Dougie WII (talk) 19:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the original establishing shots (and some exterior scenes) were shot in Camden, Maine. — TAnthony^Talk 22:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I added it to the article. -- Dougie WII (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Dune Planets

Heya. I made a change to the level for the planet entries and added a new one for Al Dhanab. Look OK? --SandChigger (talk) 00:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] T`ea Delgado

Thanks for holding off on creating this article or creating it, then redirecting it to List of One Life to Live characters. I know I basically promised that I would create this article, and you've been patiently waiting.

Well, I did write this article three months ago, as well as her portrayer's, Florencia Lozano. The thing is...my computer broke down (though I really shouldn't be surprised, considering it was my ragged, not good, computer). It literally, no lie, broke down seconds before I was about to copy and paste the articles from my Word document. It happened right after I uploaded pictures of Lozano as the character and Lozano with Roger Howarth as the couple T&T (just check my edit history).

Anyway, I was pissed as hell (naturally)! I do not want to write all of that all over again, and am sending that computer to a guy who can hopefully retrieve those documents while fixing up that computer.

If they are retrieved, I feel you'll be pleased with the articles, more so than two rewrites. Flyer22 (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Buchanan Family article

Hey, I never got to thank you for updating my article on the Buchanan Family. Thanks. I really appreciate it. The King Gemini (talk) 18:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dorian Lord

Their is an episode in which Dorian found out Victor Lord was alive and the issue of her inheritance including Llanfair came up. The court ruled everything was rightfully Dorian's due to in legal standards after 7 years of abandonment, the marriage is legally dissolved. If you've noted like I did (due to me being a OLTL fan) Dorian married Herb within those 7 years thus their marriage was invalid. Every other marriage she had came after Victor could be legally declared dead! Same thing happened with Asa & Olympia Buchanan, but because of Llanviews 7 years LAW, only his 1st marriage to Pamela Oliver Stuart was invalid . —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimothyBanks (talk • contribs) 03:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] bit More about you!

YOu're brave to let people know your sexuality. Thanks for helping me with the articles on GH. Your cool. How old r u? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.44.92 (talk) 01:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, not so brave, I live in LA where I'm very used to it not being an issue ... I'm older than I look, LOL. — TAnthony^Talk 03:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Minor minors on General Hospital

I think you're right. Putting children who don't have notable storylines of their own into one article might not be a bad idea. The Children of Days article is just... awful, but can be improved. I think an entry with all of these kids can cut down on the GH cruft nicely. AniMate 06:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bianca Montgomery

Your comments regarding this article's length would be very much appreciated on its talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 01:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. If you do not already know, it has been taken care of. Flyer22 (talk) 02:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for showing up there anyway. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions you have to improve that article. And thanks for often being so supportive of me. You understand what I go through in taking these articles from merely plot summaries to something that is halfway decent, good or great...and I truly thank you for that. Flyer22 (talk) 20:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Listen, you're just about the only regular soap article contributor who understands that these article need to be more than a plot summary and some exhaustive family details, and you put in the time and effort to really improve these articles. I appreciate that a lot. Can we clone you? LOL. — TAnthony^Talk 20:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

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Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled. [edit] Is Pride POV? We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? 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In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon." We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.

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[edit] CHOAM

I just wanted to try to give it an English translation; I mean, we know what CHOAM means, but it's not something that makes immediate sense in English. Even if it is OR, personally I thought it was a pretty good translation: 'The Partnership of High-Profit Traders'. Rolls off the tongue. HalfShadow 18:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it's a great translation and probably pretty accurate. But "defining" it like that makes assumptions. I'm just as unforgiving with editors who like to "translate" Herbert's use of Arabic terms. But if you really feel strongly about it, feel free to bring it up on Talk:CHOAM, I may very well be out-voted by the rest of the Dune police ;) — TAnthony^Talk 20:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I know; I wasn't expecting it to last. I was just doing it to see if I could come up with a logical translation. I just though an english translation would be nice. HalfShadow 22:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] General Hospital images

Hi TAnthony. Thanks for reminding me that I owed you an answer - I had lost track of your message. Sorry about that.

The specific images I deleted were tagged as promotional images, which isn't an appropriate license for images that are not for commercial use. Promotional images are less restricted than that, so they were deleted because they had an inappropriate license applied. In addition, these particular images could not have a fair use rationale written for them because they were images of living people and so they are clearly replaceable by freely licensed images. The attempt at a fair use rationale for those images claimed that because the pictures were of the characters, they weren't replaceable. I don't believe this is a defensible position since a picture of the actor who plays the character could clearly be obtained and would adequately illustrate the character they play. The only exception I could think of would be if the actor only appeared in very heavy prosthetics to play the role.

Hope that helps some. Best, Gwernol 22:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

While it has been established that fair use images are not appropriate in a living performer's article to represent what that person looks like, it is longstanding convention in fictional character articles that screen captures be used (sparingly) under fair use to represent the characters themselves. A freely-licensed image of an actress on the street does not adequately represent a character she has played, prosthetics or not. An image from a Harry Potter film is an image of Harry Potter the character, technically not an image of Daniel Radcliffe. You seem to be saying that no fair use image should be used to illustrate a character, and while that may be a valid opinion, there is no specific wording in policy that backs it up to the point where such images can be removed from articles or deleted without discussion. The prohibition specifies living people. Articles like Pauline Fowler rose to Featured status with their images intact because characters are not the same as living people, even if they are portrayed by them.

If you are referring to the use of non-screen captured images like posed publicity photos, the whole reason I asked the question is that I know of no explicit prohibitions in this regard either. I have seen arguments revolving around web site terms of use, or their promotional nature vs. actual program content, but it is a grey area that is not spelled out in policy. Even the language in Template:Non-free promotional is vague enough to arguably allow their use to represent a character. — TAnthony^Talk 02:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Red Links

Thanks Anthony, for the message. I removed the red links as I was adding in links for a British show a few months ago and then a registered user took the brackets off as they were Red Links. I guess it is different strokes for different folks. It probably depends on the "editor" of the page. (There always seems to be one on each TV page at least). For example, in the comings and goings section of the Days of Our Lives page, the "editor" does not find it necessary to place people who do not have articles in that particular section and only use people with articles.

It is hard to keep up with all the show pages I frequent. Some like Red links and some don't. I'm sorry for the removal of said links, however there are a few people in the list without the brackets around their name, such as in the special guests and deceased OLTL actors section.

Thanks again and keep up the good work 74.15.226.88 (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)samusek2

Thanks for your response; you're right, every page seems to have a handful of editors who "enforce" certain conventions, but I would argue that any deletion of red links like this, in general, is against policy and kind of short-sighted. I've purposely stayed away from most Days pages because there are/were a few "nutty" editors who ignore all input and obsess about plot details, LOL. In the case of the OLTL page, I think the only unlinked actors are the youngest children, who presumably won't be notable enough for their own articles in the foreseeable future, and a minor character or two with no last name. There I go, nitpicking again ;) Thanks again. — TAnthony^Talk 17:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)