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[edit] Saterfriesische Wikipedia

Hallo Caesarion,

Danke für Deine Nachricht. Ich kann Dich leider bei Deinem Projekt unterstützen, da ich selbst kein Saterfriesisch spreche. Ich halte das Projekt an sich auch für keine gute Idee:

  1. Es gibt ungefähr 2000 Sprecher. Wie viele von ihnen sind Internet-Nutzer? Wie viele von ihnen verwenden die Sprache schriftlich? Wie viele von ihnen würden überhaupt Beiträge leisten? Eine Enzyklopädie ist ein Mammut-Projekt.
  2. Sprachliche Minderheiten reagieren oft empfindlich, wenn ihnen Projekte zur Rettung/Förderung ihrer Sprache von außerhalb vorgesetzt werden - eine solche Initiative sollte von der Sprechergemeinschaft selbst ausgehen. Nur dann können wir sicher sein, dass es genug Interesse und Unterstützung dafür gibt. Dies ist u.a. der Grund, warum es immer noch keine Wikipedia auf Sorbisch gibt.
  3. Ich weiß nicht einmal, ob es überhaupt eine schriftliche Form (standardisierte Orthographie usw.) des Saterfriesischen gibt.
  4. Zur Unterstützung der Sprache wäre es vielleicht angebrachter, ein Wörterbuch oder ein Lehrbuch zu schreiben, oder an einer standardisierten Grammatik und Rechtschreibung zu arbeiten (Wikibooks?).

Wenn Du Leute finden willst, wende Dich am besten an den Interfriesischen Rat, sie haben auch eine Sektion und Kontaktperson für das Saterfriesische.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen, --zeno 15:23, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

De Nederlandse versie van de cursus Saterlands is nu klaar en staat op: Allezhop --Pyt 16:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old Tatar language

Hi! I'm proposer of Old Tatar wiki. The name should be used as a link in the interwiki is placed in the article.( This language differs much from modern Tatar and it is writen not in Latin, but in Arabic script (iske imla).

Thanks, --Untifler 14:54, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kawi language

Thanks. Hé bedankt. Dat had ik niet in de gaten :-) Ziet een beetje rommelig uit die pagina. Zag door het bos de bomen niet meer. Of is het andersom :-) Komt zeker door die Scott Gall hehehe ... Meursault2004 14:51, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nordfriisk

Hey HaafLimbo, In fact, I didn't get the examples from that book... I found them on an entirely different website... but if it's not free, perhaps it should be removed or permission should be requested... though if it's removed, I hope somebody can replace it with a different example.

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[edit] List of country names in various languages under attack !!!

Dear Caesarion,

The List of country names in various languages, List of European regions with alternative names, List of European cities with alternative names, List of European rivers with alternative names, and others, have come under attack by a certain Mikka, who, having just stumbled into all these lists, having found them of little use to himself, and having repeatedly ridiculed them and their users, has then promptly filed a petition to delete the lists in question.

Please cast your vote to keep these valuable, informative, and indeed fascinating lists at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of country names in various languages.

Thanks! 69.25.77.51 16:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi anonymous user, thanks for pointing me at this poll. I've voted in favour op keeping the list. Caesarion 18:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fusional language

On closer inspection of Bulgarian, I agree. Thanks for pointing out my error. Bhumiya 10:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Slang lists

I came across your subpage of toilet slang by accident using Google. I found it very amusing. It caught my attention because it suffered the same fate as two other slang lists which got axed or buried recently. List of body parts slang and List of sexual slang. The latter survived 2 AfDs, but then the sysadmin who had nominated it for deletion moved it without consensus and "cleaned it up" by blanking the list from the article. After a brief reversion war, the sysadmin protected the article. But the complete list still exists in the history (look for "revert blanking") and the source can be cut and pasted. As for the List of body parts slang, I saved a copy to disk. If you are interested in acquiring it, let me know. I saw how you defended the toilet slang list on AfD, and on your subpage, so I thought you might be interested in news about the other lists. Cheers. Go for it! 14:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your information. Glad to see my subpage still serves a kind of a goal :-). Caesarion 14:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Blue Whale

In response to your query on my change to the Blue Whale section, I think it is pretty common knowledge that some dinosaurs were larger than the blue whale, in fact it states this in Largest organism article


[edit] Malgana extinct?

Hi, just wondering why, in the article Malgana language, you changed 'no native speakers' to 'not known'? Dougg 11:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

It is beleived to be extinct, as the text says, and I don't challenge that. But the language box entry for "language extinction" requires a moment in history when the language actually died out. Since it seems unknown when the last native speaker died, I changed the "no native speakers" message to "no known". Caesarion 11:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I wasn't aware that the language box entry was to be used in that way. I guess I'll put in a date, then. I don't see where the text says it's believed to be extinct, unless you're talking about the Ethnologue entry (don't trust Ethnologue too much), but perhaps I should add something to that effect. Dougg 04:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient greek consecutio modorum

Hi and thanks for dropping by, well, h0nstly i don't understand what is complicated about it, understood that the last version i worte was a bit.... well not english word order i might say, but now i think it is ok.Please say what i should change or improve in order to augment understandability of that text. --Philx 23:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

Hi! I saw your vote on the anti-fasc. Userbox debate, "Delete all user boxes except for very few." I totally agree with you. I think people are fighting too much about the boxes, and I think other than the Language boxes, and maybe Location boxes, they should be eliminated. I have a suggestion for a replacement - User Interest Lists. They are easy to make and you can certainly still use Language-related Userboxes, by placing them on top of, or below, the lists. I would value your opinion on them, and if you used the idea, I'd be very flattered! Also, I like your idea for language reform. I was able to read it PERFECTLY. Some people say Frisian has similiarites to Old English and I notice you participate in that Wiki, too. Does Frisian have any resemblance to modern English? Nhprman 04:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nhprman, thanks for your message. Nice to find someone holding the same opinion towards those user boxes. On the Dutch Wikipedia, we have a single user box template which can be filled ad random by the user who places it on his page. Now about (West) Frisian. I'm afraid that 1300 years of separation have made it better mutually intelligible with Dutch than with modern English. CLoser inspection however still betrays the common linguistic heritage. Compare Fri. swiet with English sweet and Dutch zoet. Likewise, a key is called a kaai in Frisian and a sleutel (cf. German Schlüßel) in Dutch. The plural of ko ("cow") is kij, which is similar to the archaic English kine. However, the resemblance between modern English and modern West Frisian ends about here: some comparable sound shifts, some lexical similarity and a (very) few morphological correspondences. Caesarion 12:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for this explanation on Frisian! How interesting that these similiarties existed. I wish you luck on the alternative English language project. Others have certainly tried to make it easier to write and more logical, but have failed, maybe because the words simply look too strange to the modern eye. Nhprman 02:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not in Europe?

Of course, you're right - I had added some placenames incorrectly - mea culpa. However, your global deletion removed legitimate entries which now need to be restored. I had also added a note to the talk page acknowledging the error and asking for info before I did the correct deletions. You weren't to know this although you could have checked, but a revert seems to have been heavy-handed. Folks at 137 19:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me. I did not know the other places you added, so I suspected them to be nonsensical. Thanks for pointing this out. Have you re-added these cities already? Caesarion 20:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, added Cairo, Colchester & St Albans. Having read the talk page, I'll might have started another argument. Cairo qualifies as it's in the "Mediterranean basin" and the other two are English towns with significant historic impact in England. However, the inclusion of all of these has been criticised in the past. I'll just put on a tin-hat and wait. Thanks for your courtesy. Folks at 137 20:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norman Wikipedia

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Jade Knight 18:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dank u wel & Merci

I highly appriciate your translation efforts... --Cool CatTalk|@ 22:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maps on Commons

Hi, one more thing, could you please add {{NowCommonsThis}} to the images you've uploaded to Commons? Thanks! Angr (talk • contribs) 13:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 23:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox debate

Hi, again. I didn't realize you were the same guy I spoke to before (above under "Userboxes") when I saw your comments in the Userbox deletion page. I certainly realize your frustrations with the "Keep Keep Keep" comments. I'm frustrated, too. People don't understand that if they keep these boxes in Template space where they don't belong, they will be deleted again and again. But I urge you not to lose your cool and write things that will inflame the debate or insult other users (like saying ALL Wikipedia users are Napoleonic - although you may have a point!) Educating people about why the Templated Userboxes should NOT be in the template space - or why they are a bad idea even if they are allowed in User space - is a better course of action. Best of luck to you! - Nhprman 04:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, you're right, actually. Perhaps I'd better abstain from voting in cases like these... Comments like "block users who created many user boxes infinitely" are really overdone... Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 12:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
On the other hand, some people seem to want to remain ignorant of the policies of Wikipedia, even after they learn the facts. Maybe some blocking would do some good! - Nhprman 14:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

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These comments that you made on May 14 at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 13 are violations of WP:CIVIL. Please don't express hate in your opinions. --D-Day(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?) 19:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right, my reactions were overdone. I just hate user boxes, not the users that make them. My apologies. Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 22:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English Spelling Reform

I totally agree with you. After learning Spanish, Esperanto, and a little German and seeing how easy they are to read, I have been wondering why English should be so fucking difficult to learn to read and write.Cameron Nedland 00:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Cot-caught merger.png

Hi, I have modified Image:Cot-caught merger.png so that it represents individual speakers with dots rather than whole regions enclosed in lines. You may want to alter the text of nl:Amerikaans Engels accordingly. Thanks! Angr (talk) 15:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Angr, thanks for your message. Your map mght be a reason to change the text of this article, but I won't do this in the near future, since I have taken an extended Wikation for the Dutch Wikipedia. I won't do a single edit for quite some time. Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 16:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GRC Wikisource

Hi Steinbach, thank you for the welcome (my 1st and only welcome for so many months I am here :) ). Yes, I've seen the way the discussion went, now they want to make an ancient greek wikisource. I am currently waiting to see how this will go and then when things become more mature, maybe I will let the question about the Ancient Greek Wikipedia come to surface again. For all of this, time is needed and you know, I wish I had infinite of it! :) --Ravenous75 11:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Central Asia

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malayalam

Hi! I noticed this edit by you. I don't exactly hold a degree in linguistics, but I think Sanskrit was added there because Malayalam has a strong tie with the language. Sanskrit was used in the southern part of India too during ancient times. The script used, was however, not the present Devanagiri, but Grantha. I'd like to hear your comments. Thanks!-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 05:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Deepujoseph/Thunderboltz, that's exactly what I think. Most Dravidian languages were influenced by the Indic languages, and some of them quite deeply. However, that doesn't permit us to distinguish a seperate group within this language family. The classification is usually done in a family tree-like way, that is, languages beleived to have the same ancestor are grouped together. Sanskrit, however deep its influence may have been, can't be seen as an ancestor of Malayalam, and therefore "Sanskrit-influenced Dravidian languages" are no valid grouping in traditional classification. So, for consistency purposes, I decided to delete it. Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 08:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay. I think that sounds fine. Thank you.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 07:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Surinaams-Nederlands and Antiliaans Nederlands

Are these varieties as distant from General Dutch as are Zealandic and Brabantian are ? Sarcelles 17:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

No, they are certainly not. In Suriname and the West Indies, Dutch is an official language, but not a vernacular. People speak Dutch more or less as they learn it in schools. There are hardly any Dutch creoles (some do exist but these are very close to extinction). The main differences with Netherlands Dutch are the accent and some words borrowed from vernacular languages like Papiamentu and Sranan Tongo. Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 23:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mocheno and Cimbrian

Are these dialects more distant from South Austro-Bavarian as Central Austro-Bavarian is ? Kind regards, Sarcelles 19:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] tolar plural

Hi! First of all, you could have checked the article on the Slovenian tolar to realize that I did not make this up, I was simply following the standards given there. You might want to direct your accusations at the person who wrote it in that article. And secondly, you might want to read this: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Numismatics/Style.

By the way, it's 1 tolar, 2 tolarja, 3, 4 tolarji and 5, 10, 20 tolarjev. :) edolen1 19:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Western Lombard

Western Lombard is a different language from Eastern Lombard, and "Lombard" isn't a language but a group of language.

Some stupid guy has given this stupid names to this languages, but it doesn't mean that they are two dialects of one language. They are different languages. It's impossible for a Western Lombard speaker to understand an Eastern Lombard speaking.

In France two major languages are spoken: Occitan and Langue d'oil. If you list the Occitan dialects in parenthesis, why not so for Langue d'oil dialects?

Hi. First of all, why have this discussion on my talk page and not on the talk page of the Romance languages template? Then: the above is just your opinion. It will certainly be based on well-considered arguments in concord with your own observation, but someone who says otherwise is not automatically stupid. As you know, traditionally, the Lombard dialects are simply considered dialects of Italian just because they use Standard Italian as their prestige language. Now we are trying to describe Romance languages in a more linguistic way. The problem is that there is no fixed criterion for what is a language and what is not. You may find it absurd to consider Lombard one language, but you have no problem whatsoever in considering all oïl variants one language. Though some oïl variants, especially Walloon, are utterly untelligible with standard French. Just see the Walloon Wikipedia, you'll have a really hard time reading it, no matter how good your French may be. So if anything, in the template we should follow the consensus among linguists, and if most of them do not consider Western and Eastern Lombard separate languages, why should we suggest otherwise? Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 12:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Centraalnederlimburgs and Westnederlimburgs

Hi Steinbach,

I found these in the List of Germanic languages. As you haved made them up, I suggest you to replace these expressions with other expressions.

Kind regards Sarcelles —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarcelles (talk • contribs) 18:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this whole "Nederlimburgs" doesn't actually exist, it was my own OR. I'm bound to undo that some time anyway. Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 21:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are Russian "sto" and Khanty "sot" not cognates?

Hi, Steinbach!

I just happened to run into the page Khanty language, and have a small question on a remark you made there a couple of months ago; cf. Talk:Khanty language. Best, JoergenB (talk) 05:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Austria)

Hi Steinbach,

A while back you gave me a suggestion in the article Euro gold and silver commemorative coins. Just wanted to tell you that your suggestion was followed, and now the previous article is being split in other articles, so far:

I was wondering if you can take a second look and give me your opinion. Thanks! Miguel.mateo (talk) 03:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Miguel, I already noticed you followed my suggestions, and I am glad to see your project progress. I will certainly keep checking it regularly :-). Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 08:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch translation

Wonderful, thanks! Dorftrottel (vandalise) 18:17, April 13, 2008