Talk:Spells in Harry Potter

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Notice The inclusion criteria for this list have been decided by consensus to be as follows:
"either the spell's official vernacular name, or its incantation, must be stated in canon[1] for it to warrant inclusion"
Any spells which are are on or are added to this list, which do not meet this requirement, can and should be removed.
^ Canon is taken to be any statement in the books or official statements by J.K. Rowling - film only spells such as Arresto Momentum are not canon.
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[edit] Philosopher's or Sorcerer's?

What is the title we are supposed to use on here? 72.196.253.172 20:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

As with everywhere in the Harry Potter realm of Wiki, the original title Philosopher's is used. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 20:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

English Book, English title. No american translations. Machete97 (talk) 19:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Gemino Curse

It IS the same as Geminio! The curse is a derivation of it! I demand that Wikipedia combine the two! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.248.86 (talk) 00:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

They appear to be quite different. Geminio is making a single copy by hand, and the Geminio Curse causes objects to duplicate whenever touched by humans, slowly filling up with copies until the person touching the object eventually is forced out by the sheer weight of copies or is killed. Happy Holidays!! Malinaccier (talk) 00:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Porta

Does not the word porta mean a door and not a gate? --  Idontknow610  (WANNA TALK??) 09:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's the french word for door. --Jammy (talk) 23:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It's the Latin word for gate. Ianua is door. Porta is carry in french as well (form of Porter). It is more likely to be gate, as Latin is the language she uses most to derive things from. Are there any spells at all with French derivations ? Any used by Beauxbatons students ? Machete97 (talk) 21:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

None off the top of my head. Fleur uses the Bubble Head Charm, but the incantation for that is never mentioned. I don't recall any other French students using magic at all. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 21:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flame-freezing

In the video games, Glacius is the flame-freezing charm. Basketball110 04:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The video-games and movies are non-canon, and therefore aren't included in this article. Thanks, Malinaccier Public (talk) 12:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Glaesam Fractura

As far as I can tell, this spell isn't real. Comments? Malinaccier (talk) 14:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC) (I've removed it for now hidden it from view).

I agree, I've checked the scene in the book and as far as I can see, there is no spell's cast verbally in that scene. And as far as Rithschap says, how does he know it exists if it's never been cast verbally? The only way this spell possibly exists is if it's been used in a Harry Potter game, but as they're not invented by J.K Rowling, they're not official Harry Potter spells. --Jammy (talk) 23:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I concur with Jammy; obviously it isn't seen in the books, so it shouldn't be in the article. BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 04:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Removing now. Malinaccier (talk) 16:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] False Memory Charm

There's a broken link to a False Memory Charm under the entry for Obliviate. Which charm was it referring to? Should the Confundus charm's description be changed and the link redirected to it? 205.214.198.1 (talk) 06:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I had to do a bit of research to find this, but it was removed in August last year when we did a huge clean-up on non-notable spells. We emerged several spells lighter, and with the criteria of inclusion "either the spell's official vernacular name, or its incantation, must be stated in canon for it to warrant inclusion", which are probably at the top of this page. As the False Memory Charm had neither an official vernacular name (e.g. Summoning Charm) or incantation (e.g. Accio) mentioned in canon (i.e. the stuff that JK Rowling wrote), it was removed. The link can now also be deleted, as the Confundus charm has not been mentioned as the False Memory Charm (that, I assume, Hermione used on her parents) and speculation about this kind of sutff is against Wikipedia Policy. I'm not entirely sure which one, but we can't do it. (WP:CRYSTALBALL may be one to look at. Ooh, hang on, the one I was thinking of was No original research.) Thanks for giving the time to make this enquiry. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 10:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Peskipiksi Pesterdomi

How do we know this is even a real spell? Gilderoy Lockhart is a fraud, so knowing him, he'd just made it up. I think the spell should be removed as we have no proof it's a real spell and not just a made up Gilderoy Lockhart spell. --Jammy (talk) 18:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

We don't know if it's a "real" spell, but we don't know if it's a "fake" spell either. I think it's something Lockhart made up on the spot but, without any evidence, that's OR. faithless (speak) 22:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
But is it not OR to assume that might be a spell. Malinaccier (talk) 01:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
No, it was italicised and used in conjunction with a wand. It obviously seems to be fake, but unless Rowling says so, it's a spell. Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I know. Just thought provoking. =). Malinaccier (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Peskipiksi Pesterdomi. Machete97 (talk) 19:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question Regarding Depiction Of Fiendfyre Spell In Goblet Of Fire Film

I know that the films aren't canon, and thus the spells mentioned therein aren't canon... but: the script for the film Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix describes one spell used by Voldemort in his duel with Dumbedore as the Fiendfyre Curse. Onscreen, the spell in question is depicted as Voldemort generating a gigantic flaming dragon that then attacks Dumbedore. This depiction matches the description of the spell's effects from the book. So... should that depiction be mentioned? I ask because while the film isn't considered canon, the spell certainly is, and they seem to be dipicting it correctly.

But the OOTP movie was filmed before DH came out, so it cant be the same thing. Grsz11 (talk) 21:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
It's just a big coincidence really, it should be considered Fiendfyre still though. --Jammy (talk) 22:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Either way, its specualtion to say that it is because we are not certain, and in no official publication has it been stated that Voldemort's spell is Fiendfyre. We cannot include this, no matter how likely we may think it is. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 00:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Associated Content

This website is currently used to source some of the "Suggested Etymologies" "Descriptions", however following (I believe) a discussion over at WP:ANI (sorry I can't provide a link); the site has been black listed i.e. you can't save a version of the page with a link to http://www.associatedcontent.com in it (try if you don't believe me). I think this has been done as it has been accepted that Associated Content is not a reliable source and adding it constitutes spam. I'm going to remove all the entries sourced to Associated Content - not least because as it currently stands it is impossible to edit the page or any section containing the Associated Content link. Guest9999 (talk) 04:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Augamenti

Article says first mentioned in Half Blood Prince, and later mentions a feindyfire dousing incident from Order of the Phoenix using the spell. Please correct. Machete97 (talk) 22:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, where? -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 22:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

try the Augamenti section. Good place to start. Machete97 (talk) 23:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't mention OP there at all. Do you mean Later on Harry uses it in a failed attempt to douse Vincent Crabbe's Fiendfyre curse in the Room of Requirement[DH Ch.31].? -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 23:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Avada Kedavra

Wouldn't a spell to create a large boulder block it? Supposedly, if you take physical cover, then the spell wouldn't work, so wouldn't makeing a phisical protection stop it? Also, wouldn't clothes stop it too, by the same way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.163.7.180 (talk) 17:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you ask J.K. Rowling herself. At Wikipedia, we can only publish information that comes from the books or websites. Factually accurate websites, that is. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 10:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

A gravestone stopped it (was it this or cruciatus ?) in Goblet, but it did break, so clothes probably wouldn't be sufficient.

BTW does the lightning scar indicate the place where the curse struck, or just that it did hit them ?Machete97 (talk) 10:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

That was the Cruciatus Curse. Well, Voldemort said it was "another dose of pain" before he killed Harry, and we the reader infer that this is the CC because it is pretty much Voldy's only pain curse. No comment on the lightning scar, I don't know. I'd suggest it was a plot device. After all, it wouldn't be as exciting if Harry had a scar on his thigh, or stomach, or left armpit. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 10:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I just thought of it because it is mentioned that the dead bodies of his parents were found with the scars as well, but not where they were on their bodies.Machete97 (talk) 22:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Old revert

On 24 January 2008, User:GlassCobra reverted many things that may look good in the article. I guess he/she wanted to revert only some of them. Do you think anything of that deserves to come back? --NaBUru38 (talk) 08:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

GlassCobra knew exactly what he was doing. He removed unsourced content, including "possible" etymologies of spells (per the several thousand AfDs this article went through last year), false spells and excess (possibly fake) usages of spells. There would be no reason to revert what he has done; it is all in order. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 10:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Contents

Ok, not sure how to say this, but the contents of "A B C D E F..." where you click a letter to scroll down to that letters list, why don't we put one at the bottom of the page, or better yet, between every spell list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.85.232.249 (talk • contribs)

That's a good question. Reasons against that I can think of include the fact that some letters have very few - one or two - spells, meaning the contents boxes will be really close together. It could seem "messy" having all these boxes lying over the place. If you wish to go to another letter, how about scrolling to the top of the page - or push the HOME key. By the way, regardless whether you have an account or not, please sign your posts with four tildes (~) -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 06:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to putting one at the bottom, but we should check the WP:MOS first. Malinaccier Public (talk) 12:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Banishing Charm

Isn't the Banishing Charm Depulso? It was used on the Harry Potter and the Order of The Phoenix Game By EA Games right?

It may well be, but there has been no evidence of this in canonical source material, or in any reliable sources. Unfortunately, different people made the video games to the original books, and we can't use information from there, as it doesn't derive from Rowling. See above for some kind of inclusion criterion thingy. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 11:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Well you can try and look at this http://www.hp-lexicon.info/magic/spells/spells_films.html#depulso —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.94.170.133 (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

On this article, we don't use information from the movies or games because they are considered incorrect. If you can find that depulso is used in the books somewhere for a banishing charm, then we would be happy to change it. Otherwise, we have no canonical proof that they are the same spell. Malinaccier (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Lol. Malinaccier, you know that it isn't. Therequiembellishere (talk) 14:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm just trying to give them a chance to realize that themselves in the nicest way possible. I remember the good old debates we had in the summer the seventh book came out...it feels good to be back here talking to an old Spells' editor. :) Malinaccier (talk) 14:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, it was the last time we got new information. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't you miss the old days? Malinaccier (talk) 15:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Like "Harry's Spell", yeah. That was also when we had three deletion discussions in three weeks! Therequiembellishere (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I read through all those the other day. Good times, good times... well, not really, but y'know! C'mon, JKR, write something else! The Wikipedians are getting bored! -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 07:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Well it's this damn lawsuit that's stopping her. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Dark Lord! She wrote a short story prequel! Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's sort of old news--but it's still brilliant! Malinaccier (talk) 01:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I knew about that. We had an *almost* discussion on the Deathly Hallows talk page about a potential HP8 article. It kind of died off though. Keep in mind though that it's not an actual book, therefore probably not worthy of inclusion. But just wait until someone gets their hands on it - we may be back on this page soon! -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 02:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Well assuming the owner of The Tales of Beedle the Bard and the owner of this new prequel ever decide to reveal the books, we'll probably have something new to add here. And, of course, her encyclopedia. Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Everte Statum

Used in HP2, by Malfoy in the duel. Kopf1988 (talk) 20:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No it's not Jammy (talk) 20:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)