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[edit] Naming

Several times during this entry She-Hulk is referred to as "the She-Hulk", would it be ok if I changed this just to "She-Hulk" - I'm pretty sure her name doesn't have a "the" prefix. Scarlettspiderg 21:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relationships

This section is trending towards becoming a long, boring, and prurient catalogue of each of Jennifer Walters' and the She-Hulk's sexual encounters. This doesn't seem to me to be a necessary or proper approach to follow. The character has relationships with men, and she has had sex; while the entry should (I suppose) acknowlege this, it doesn't need to describe every instance in which it occurred.

And although the Wyatt relationship does need to be acknowledged, does the following paragraph add anything to the entry?

  • In Fantastic Four 278, She-Hulk literally swept Wyatt off his feet for a passionate kiss. The two lovers then disappeared for a few pages, and when they emerged later that same evening, She-Hulk was wearing different clothes.

I'm inclined to think that it doesn't.--Galliaz 00:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Agree. CovenantD 00:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hehe and i was just about to suggest ADDING to this section her creepy relationship with reformed-Juggernaut over in one of the X-Books WookMuff 01:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please remember, Wikipedia is not a fan site

Although pages like this are of course maintained by fans, the information provided should be objectively-derived and supportable. This article is loaded with subjective, speculative commentaries (at least half of the Relationships section, for instance). I removed some uncited (and likely uncitable) remarks about the alleged unpopularity of costumes she briefly wore twenty years ago. I also removed a reference under the Powers section referring to her "capacity for love and understanding" as her greatest super-power. 69.180.14.65 22:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Agreed. I've added a lot of information on this site, but a lot of the tangents keep coming back, regardless of efforts to control them, such as additional mentions of other characters that regularly break the fouth wall. --Toquinha 07:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I wholeheartedly agree, too. The "Relationships" section was choked (to near-incoherence) by the circular discussion of the Comics Code, in addition to being riddled with problematic assumptions regarding the character's sexuality and romantic motivations.--Galliaz 01:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tangents

The article has been taking a lot of tangents as of late, especially when talking about "breaking the fourth wall" and "skills", as they start talking about other characters in a lot more detail. Is this the way we want the article to be going?--Toquinha 15:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Toquinha, I agree 100%. Also: while the article should address the fact that the She Hulk is a vibrant woman whom men find attractive (she clearly engages in and enjoys sex in Dan Slott's recent series), the discussion of her sexuality is totally unsatisfactory as it now stands.--Galliaz 01:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Toquina: Thanks for the nice editing job!--Galliaz 13:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Is this section meant to be serious?

She-Hulk spent some time dating Luke Cage, the African-American superhero also known as Power Man. 
The characters were open-minded enough not to let their respective skin colors interfere 
in their mutual attraction and romantic interest.

She-Hulk doesn't have much choice than to go beyond skin color, anyway. "It's not easy being green", you know... 惑乱 分からん 14:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Instead of the She-Hulk images, all i see is "Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/upload3/wikipedia/en/a/af/Shehulk01.jpg': No such file or directory." in their respective places. Is this just me or what? Ace Class Shadow 06:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Just you it seems, sorry.Jayunderscorezero 18:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death

She-Hulk doesn't appear on the Comic_book_death page, even though she's died twice now (I think - she said so in court once). I don't have issue references, though; does anyone here have the library to fill in that information? Wyvern 02:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sensational She-Hulk 52-54. I think. Scarlettspiderg 21:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I just assumed that she was talking about 'dying' in one of the major crossovers. Doesn't she 'die' in the Infinity Gauntlet crossover? Lots of characters did. She probably dies in SS-H too, but I wouldn't know.Jayunderscorezero 02:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanos wiped out half of existance during Infinity Gauntlet - but I'm pretty sure She-Hulk survived. However, during Marvel Universe:The End all of existance is wiped out (but I don't think its 616).Scarlettspiderg 17:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Was Shulkie part of the gathering of heroes that attacked Thanos and were killed, only to be ressurected later? That was a separate incident from Thanos' wiping out half of existence. -- Pennyforth 11:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
That's right. Thanos killed her along with Namor. Elefuntboy 14:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Hero

Should She-Hulk be listed as in the category of Category:Marvel Comics anti-heroes? I've left it there because it is true that in her more berserker moments she can cause trouble, but I wonder if as a whole she should be listed here...--Tuberculosisness 17:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The entire category is up for deletion. CovenantD 17:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transforming into Jen Walters

Is there a comment in the article about her capability of changing back into Jen Walters? Her Graphic Novel by Byrne had her losing that option, but the first volume of the current series retcons it a bit (I do not remember the exact way). Luis Dantas 17:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, while there isn't (and probably a need for) a seperate section, there are frequent comments about her regained ability to transform and the personality differences in each form, and the recent series retcon in regards to the "real" cause for the mode-lock in the Graphic Novel. Cyckath 02:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] She-Hulk and Juggernaut

Is it true she slept with him? Didn't she later say she didn't remember or it was due to her imbalances by spending to much time as She-Hulk? Wasn't it ever retcon or did I read wrong? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seekquaze (talk • contribs) 04:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

  • Yes, she was his lawyer during the "Trial of the Juggernaut" arc in Uncanny X-Men, and slept with him in issue #435. Whether she still remembers it or not I have no idea, because I don't currently read She-Hulk.

Additionally, I find it a tad stupid that in the "Relationships" section, there's mention of Wolverine saying he didn't want Juggernaut's Sloppy Seconds near the end of the article, but absolutely no mention of her ever sleeping with Juggernaut in the body of the article, because apparently the project guidelines don't want editors listing off every sexual encounter she's ever had. It's a little dumb to leave this relationship out, yet later reference back to it, imo.

It's just a tad confusing is all.

The primary point to be made is that what's not confusing at all is that the character has denied sleeping with Juggernaut in the same issue in which she makes the pass at Wolverine. What's ironic is that Dan Slott, the writer of the current series, is 'commenting' on what we're doing here by having the She-Hulk state: "I didn't sleep with Juggernaut! Why does everyone keep saying that!": he's making light of the fact that a portion of the fanbase is taken with the did-she-or-didn't she aspect of this particular question. Finally, based upon the arguments I've made here, even if it turns out that she actually slept with Juggernaut, I don't think that the information is worthy of inclusion in the entry.--Galliaz 09:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Dude, you're talking in circles here... and it's not making things any less confusing.

All Jen's other 1 night stands and whether they should be listed here or not aside, in this particular case, it is still confusing to make absolutely no mention of this particular event, whether it happened or not, within the body of the article, only to refer back to said event later on in said article, with no explanation as to why Wolverine (or anyone else, reader or character) would even have the impression she slept with the Juggernaut in the first place. I say either remove all mention of the Wolverine encounter, or put in a mention of the Juggernaut encounter, because like it or not, the two encounters have relevance to one another, and to mention one while completely ignoring the other is, as was stated, confusing. It's like only show someone who has no knowledge of either encounter, and came here to learn about She-Hulk, half the picture.

And as to the question of did she or didn't she, there doesn't seem to be much "did she or didn't she" about it. Fact is, in Uncanny X-Men, Juggernaut and She-Hulk, after heavy amounts of implicating dialogue, are shown together, nude (under a blanket of course), in bed, with a look of "post-activity" euphoria on their faces, and the bedposts and surrounding area smashed to smithereens, presumably due to what went on in the hours before we jumped to this planel. So, one is lead to believe they either slept together, or had one heck of a rousing nude battle,before deciding to make amends and cuddle with one another. Given that Juggernaut was at the time, and still is, no longer a villain, and even if he were, there would be seemingly no reason for either of them to do battle in teh buff, which seems the more likely occurance to you?

I don't know if Jen simply doesn't remember sleeping with Cain for one reason or another, or if she was simply lying to Wolverine to save face, but from the omnipotent point of view of a reader, it is clear that she did, and I believe that if the pass at Wolverine, and the resulting snyde comments on the matter warrant mentioning, than the naked romp with Juggernaut, on which said comments are based, certainly does as well. The only confusion on this matter, comes from Avengers/She-Hulk readers, who wouldn't have reason to or have never read Uncanny X-Men in the first place, and honestly didn't know that she had slept with him. To make no mention of the Uncanny encounter with Cain, and flat out ignore it, just serves to add to that confusion.

The entry includes Wolverine's dialogue saying that she slept with Juggernaut, and She-Hulk clearly saying that she didn't: I don't see any room for confusion. Finally, I don't agree with your assertion that the comics reader has any kind of ominpotent point of view, especially given how writers have frequently resorted to retcons, false memories, and similarly convenient "plot-devices" in order to explain away story elements that a previous author might have put in place. The title's present writer, Dan Slott, knows that many of his readers are aware of this, and is pretty much toying with us on this particular point.--Galliaz 10:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The entry does not include Wolverine saying she slept with Juggernaut, merely him implying she did, with absolutely no indication of where he would have gotten that impression, and why he would be making that implication. To someone who reads this article without prior knowledge of her encouter with Juggernaut, it is confusing, because you're removing a piece of the story from the picture, that piece being the fact that she did sleep with Juggernaut, and removing that piece gives the average uninformed wikipedia reader the wrong impression. Leaving Cain out of the picture, and jumping straight to Wolverine's comment and She-Hulk's denial, only tells half the story, and gives the opposite impression to that uninformed reader, that impression being: she didn't sleep with him, and Logan is full of crap, when in fact, the reader (who in this case, yes, has an omnipotent point of view on the matter, because he/she can look in on her private life in Uncanny X-Men, something Wolverine, or any other Marvel character couldn't/can't do) knows that Jen is the one who isn't telling the truth in her encounter with Wolverine.

She did sleep with Juggernaut, she's just not admitting to it. The only thing we as readers don't know, is why she's not admitting to it. Maybe she honestly doesn't remember, maybe she's just embarassed and in denial, maybe it's an attempted retcon, but jumping straight to her denial to Wolverine, without mentioning the fact that she actually was shown, on panel, in bed with Cain, gives the wrong impression.

PS. I wish to god someone else would chime in here. I'd love to get a third opinion on this.

She-Hulk #17 is ambiguous. You can either read it as implying a retcon or simply as She-Hulk's denial. Since there is a comic that shows Juggernaut/She-Hulk in bed together, I would keep the info about them having slept together for now, unless a more obvious and explicit retcon takes place in the future. -- Jayunderscorezero 12:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
For the record, there's been a more explicit statement as to whether or not she has slept with Juggernaut--She-Hulk #19, pages 14 and 15, where it's established in court that, despite her denials, she did. Rdfox 76 01:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I didn't read it as explicit, rather than 'documented' in a Marvel comic. She continued to vehemently deny it, and has consistently been perplexed and/or frustrated whenever anyone has brought it up. It remains ambiguous and could just as easily 'explained', for example by stating that it was CopyCat, much like the latter mimicked Titania, or just tie into Bendis' skrull plot. Dave 21:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I read it the same way as Dave did: Jennifer copped to being way less inhibited as the She-Hulk, and to having had a lot more sexual partners as the She-Hulk than Jennifer Walters ever would, but, even when presented with the image from the Marvel comic, she still actively and vehemently denied having slept with Juggernaut.--Galliaz 21:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Powers

The powers section may benifit from further detailing She-Hulks strength level in regards to her emotional state. While the article does state that her strength increases with fear, "However, she does not possess the rage-enhanced level of strength the Hulk does." This statment should be clarified and expanded. As it currently reads, it seems to state that She-Hulk's strength does not increase with anger; however, my understanding, depicted in the Avengers Disassembled storyline was that when enrage she does gain mass and strength, ripping Vision and two and running amok beating the other Avengers; and rage was the intial catalyst for her metamorphsis as the Savage She-Hulk. (I understand that anything in the Disassemble storyline could be written off as Scarlet Witch hijinx; however, this instance, if not showing that She-Hulk does gain strength and mass when enrage, should at least merit the removal of the line quoted earlier.) If the the quote above is meant to be interpreted that She-Hulk's uppermost strength level does not reach the same uppermost level of her cousin, then the statement needs to be clarified. In short She-Hulk's power section about strenght needs to either include anger/rage, and/or needs to clarify her uppermost limits in contrast to the Hulk's. 66.109.248.114 23:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Publication History

Prior to my edit of this date, the publication history started on the one-year anniversary of the character - which seemed unusual. I found text in older versions of the page which used to be the 1st paragraph of the section and restored it. More details regarding exact dates available on request. Fitfatfighter 05:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Initiative cover

It's unclear to me why the entry should list that the She-Hulk appears on the cover to Avengers: The Initiative. I'm open to hearing a rationale/explanation, and look forward to a discussion of the material's importance.--Galliaz 23:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This seems to me to be a sensible approach: when She-Hulk does something of note in Avengers: Initiative, we can add a description of it to the entry. Otherwise, simply listing the cover appearance is superfluous.--Galliaz 22:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] She-Hulk v1 Pub. Dates

Looking in my own copies of this title, I see the dates are actually May 2004 for #01 and April 2005 for #12, not March 2004 to February 2005. I'm not going to edit this, because despite the evidence of my eyes, I still find the numbering of the "She-Hulk" titles a little odd. If anyone else feels this is a valid discrepancy, edit away I say. Pcgneurotic 14:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)pcgneurotic

US comic books have basically always featured cover dates that project about a couple months into the future (so that they stay in the shelves that much longer and have a better chance of being bought); I do not know if that is the reason for your doubts, however. Luis Dantas 02:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
If memory serves, traditionally, the cover date on comic books was when the newsstand sellers were supposed to pull the old issue off the stand and return it to the publisher as unsold. While there's virtually no places still selling comics that actually return unsold books for credit (specialty comic shops find it more profitable to just put any issues that don't sell in the first year or so in the bargain bin), the cover dates were never realigned with the actual ship dates, to avoid having two or three issues with the same cover date. Rdfox 76 03:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gemini

I read in a She-Hulk letters page once that Jennifer's transition to a smart She-Hulk happened because Gemini (of the Zodiac)- probably the android one) helped merge her personas in an issue of the original series. I do not know this for a fact, and I find it odd that this isn't mentioned anywhere else. Anyone can comfirm or deny? -Wilfredo Martinez 17:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It was the android one created by Skorpio, yes; and it happened in the original "Savage She-Hulk" series - but it was basically a matter of resolving her anger and lack of control over the transformation; at the time the matter of merging personas was not mentioned, at least not explicitly. Luis Dantas 02:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Having gone and read the relevant issue... Gemini has nothing to do with personalities merging, although it might be easy to make the mistake because this is the same issue where Michael Morbius cures Jennifer of a fatal blood disease and gives her control over her transformations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.91.65 (talk) 14:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barefoot thing

Folks, I'm gonna go out on a bit of a limb here and recommend that anyone who makes that same edit with the obsession with barefootedness be reverted and issued at least a uw-v2 warning; this person, under various names, has been putting said comments into the article on and off for at least a month now. I'm not sure if they're the same person who also seemed to have an obsession with superheroines being swimmers and nudists, too, but it wouldn't surprise me, as the writing style is similar. Rdfox 76 01:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth Wall

I think it would be worth mentioning that she-hulks VS system cards also break the fourth wall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.204.55 (talk) 21:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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