Talk:Ricky Hatton
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Can someone please fix the championship title box for the ring magazine fighter of the year? I tried but it wouldnt work. Scapone
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[edit] necessary changes...
there are a few parts of this article that dont seem correct to me. firstly, to say that Hatton hasn't been the same since the Collazo fight is very POV, and not remotely verifiable, especially as he has had only one bout since that fight. also, i feel the sentences relating to him receiving an MBE and him liking to drink guinness should be separated, as they are not related. also the wording regarding the Jonathan Ross interview doesn't seem suitable for an encyclopedia, perhaps 'killer left hook' would sound more suitable being 'powerful left hook'? I'll check back in a few days and if the changes haven't been made and there are no objections i will make them. thanks Zero187 05:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The biography says that Ricky was born in Stockport, Greater Manchester. But most definitely Stockport is in Cheshire.
- No, it's most verifiabily in Greater Manchester. Just click on the Stockport article to see. -- Jza84 · (talk) 13:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Ricky Hatton was not referred to by boxing fans as Ricky Fatton. He instead made this name up himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.203.165 (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
"Ricky Fatton" was being used on boxing message boards long before Hatton used it. 66.167.39.201 (talk) 11:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of POV, the description of the Mayweather-Hatton fight is terribly biased! Many respected boxing experts such as Doug Fischer and the veteran Teddy Atlas did not even consider the Mayweather vs. Hatton fight competitive. "Hatton was able to hold his own, until round eight" is a stretch. Ricky was consistently getting beat to the punch and broken down from at least round 3 onward. Also of the scorecards of all three official judges suggest that this fight was really dominated by Mayweather from the outset. Given this disparity only Ricky's fans seem to have a different POV. I don't want to try and change the article myself as I recognize that boxing fans can be extremely defensive and emotional when it comes to their heroes. However since Wikipedia generally at least tries to stick to the facts, I suggest that the article at least attempts to stick to the facts rather than point-of-view reviews like this. Better to just state what the official scores were at the time of the TKO (a glaring omission), especially since it was mentioned that Hatton "won all but one round on all three judges' scorecards" against Urango, but similarly won only 1 round on two scorecards and 2 rounds on 1 scorecard of the Mayweather fight. Hatton beat Urango but had serious problems with Urango's body shots, that fight was far from easy. But again, this is an opinion, so I suggest sticking to the official scores and results. There was not even any controversy in Hatton's fight with Mayweather. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbase1235 (talk • contribs) 06:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Incidentally the same could be said of the description of this fight on Floyd Mayweather's page as it essentially reads the same and is also biased. While I understand that Floyd may not be well liked as a person, that should not contribute to a rewriting of the actual events that happened, particularly since these events only happened a few days ago. But I would rather not get into a back-and-forth edit of these pages myself, I would just like to go on record by stating that point-of-view articles should not be tolerated on Wikipedia, we should stick to the facts as far as is possible. By the way, it is correct that even though Ricky tried to hit Floyd behind the head, the punch barely landed due to the ropes getting in the way. However it is equally true the Ricky never connected when he supposedly "in fact almost knocked Mayweather down in the first round". This is not a fact. Ricky's punch missed, I have reviewed the tape many times, Floyd tripped over Ricky's foot at that moment. Again, people seem to be promoting their own biases rather than what actually happened. If we can use replay to see that Ricky did not land when deducted a point, we can also use replay to see that Floyd was never "almost knocked" down by Ricky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbase1235 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hatton vs. Lewis
"He is seen by many as one of the greatest British fighters of all-time"
Does British mean by race? Lennox Lewis often breaks the top ten list of greatest heavies of all time. Hatton hasn't even really beaten any great fighters in their prime and he's just starting to make a name for himself in the US. At this time I really don't think this sentence can be supported, unless you mean racially British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.56.207.16 (talk) 05:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, he is seen as one of the greatest boxers with British nationality ever. I don’t think he can be considered one of the greatest boxers ever, yet. If he defeats Floyd Mayweather Jr, then I think he will be one of the greatest. P.s. I think he will win and prove to be one of the greatest ever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.88.80 (talk) 01:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as "racially British", as there is no "British race". Lewis has British nationality and so does Hatton. By the same token, a statement like that ("seen by many as one of the best...") should be supported by a reliable source. Badgerpatrol (talk) 15:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- Absolutely correct. The first comment here speaks volumes about the POV of it's author. Lennox Lewis is racially British by virtue of being born in Great Britain. For that matter, so are Lewis Hamilton and Amir Khan, for example. The author would like to use the word "white" but has just enough intelligence to realise that this would be seen as a controversial and probably distatsteful characterisation.
The comment needs to go. For one, Who is "many"? It's unsourced. And it's rather premature considering he's still an active fighter. A fighters all-time standing can change quickly. On a personal note, I disagree with it. He's struggled with pedestrian opponents, oly beaten top level fighters who were at the end of their careers, and was decisively beaten and KO'd in embarassing fashion in the biggest fight of his career. 66.167.39.201 (talk) 11:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:C3c61b8746.jpg
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[edit] Height, Weight etc?
Ok I came to the page about Ricky Hatton after seeing a picture of him between the two WWE wrestlers Batista and The Undertaker and was wondering just how tall Ricky Hatton actually is? However this is not on the page so I am suggesting that maybe there could be this and a few more statistics like his weight, year of debut etc in the infobox at the top of the article.195.157.148.2 08:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Undefeated needs to change
references to undefeated throughout article needs to change once lock is removed preferrably rapidly as it's such an obvious error —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.145.238.16 (talk) 11:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hatton Wonderland
I think someone needs to change the lyrics of the song. I am positive the tune is
There's only one Ricky Hatton, There's only one Ricky Hatton, Walking along, Singing a song, Walking in a Hatton wonderland.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.35.84.36 (talk) 04:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
-- Quite right. It's:
There's only one Ricky Hatton, There's only one Ricky Hatton, We're walking along, Singing our song, Walking in a Hatton wonderland.
Let's change this please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oyouarehereo (talk • contribs) 09:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- I have changed the article to reflect the proposed changes. Cloudz679 (talk) 03:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Technical knock out
The article states:
"Floyd Mayweather Jr. knocked out Ricky Hatton in the 10th round of their scheduled bout. Joe Cortez stopped the fight after Hatton fell to the canvas after a furious Mayweather assault."
This is a little ambiguous. With the referee stopping the fight it was a TKO but not a knockout as usually understood. Suggest that the first sentence is removed, or that it is reworded as something like "Mayweather beat Hatton by TKO in the 10th round". Also, the names should be shortened to just there surnames. Fire Fixer (talk) 12:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
A small point but it says Cortez stopped the bout after Hatton went down for the second time. Unless I'm mistaken, Cortez waved off the bout and then Hatton wobbled his way to the ground. 66.167.39.201 (talk) 12:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nicknames
"Ricky Fatton" has recently been added to the list of nicknames.
This is not so much a nickname as a jibe about his weight, it maybe could be a nickname if Ricky was happy with it but as he stated on the Jonathan Ross show some time ago, he is not keen on the comments about his weight.Hypnoticmonkey (talk) 20:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ricky created the nickname himself and wears a t-shirt with it on it - so I think its safe to say its OK!--Vintagekits (talk) 20:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Re: Fatton, I found this article in The Times, I noticed that his page doesn't mention his sense of humour and after dinner speeches, he's a bit of a comedian is our Ricky. [1] Sue Wallace (talk) 03:07, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fans
Another song has been heard to be sung around America since his defeat
There's only one Ricky Hatton There's only one Ricky Hatton Walking along Singing a song And then Mayweather knocked him out!
this is unneccessary. I'm removing it and hopefully the person who wrote this gets banned.
Rvk41 (talk) 20:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Urango
The article states he fought Urango "The current IBF champion". This implies that Urango regained the title and is currently reigning and defending. Should be changed. 66.167.39.201 (talk) 12:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] This article is loaded with bad language re Mayweather fight
Warrants attention. Londo06 (talk) 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
The description of Mayweather fight is biased beyond comprehension. Mayweather dominated the fight, outclassing Hatton easily (also reflected by the scoring at the time of TKO, where 2 judges had Mayweather winning all, but one round). The notion that Hatton somehow "held his own" agaist Mayweather is laughable. I will change the description in a few days, unless a more neutral version appears. --70.107.161.129 (talk) 05:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- Citation would help neutralise the situation here. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Hatton was holding his own considering the manner in which the referee Cortez was handling the fight.It looked as if he were paid off by the Mayweather camp.And as for the score. I had Hatton winning (4) out of the (8) scored rounds. Its all a matter of opinion. In no way did Mayweather dominate Hatton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.41.200.133 (talk) 21:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Can someone (perhaps Jza84 or one of the regulars here) look at the edits since the vandalism reversion in January per [2] and see if any of them are incorrect? There's been nearly 100 edits to this page and some which I've already reverted were definite vandalism, but these ones would take a subject expert to identify. Orderinchaos 13:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
