User talk:Ratarsed

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[edit] Hello!

Hi there, nothing important to say here just a quick hello. I notice you've been doing a lot of work on Ipswich related articles. I find it facinating that there's an active user from this town along with myself. I guess from your username that you like the 'odd tipple', what are your favorite pubs in Ipswich? Celardore 19:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The username is a combination of references (details on my usre page) but as I did my "coming of age" out of the county, I have found a good pub to call my local -- My closest is The Flying Horse, but I've never been in. Been to The Milestone a few times, friends prefer The Vodka Bar. Ratarsed 20:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Never been to the Flying Horse myself, passed it a few times though. I quite like the Milestone, sometimes they have some real talented people playing, plus some good ales. Been to the Vodka bar a few times, just because like you said - friends like it. Personally, I don't see why. In fact I'd go as far to say I hate that bar, stupid drinks, stupid prices.

I read your updated userpage after I posted that comment. I used to have a Roland Rat teddy when I was young (he was my favorite)... Ahh memories. I guess you're within 10 years of my own age, but lets not go there here. Nice to meet you anyways. Keep up the good work! Celardore 21:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! Thanks for helping out with Ancient House. I wondered if I could suggest a couple of photos, which seems to be quite a hobby of yours - if you're in Christchurch Park anytime soon... A photo of the mansion and the Ipswich Martyrs memorial? I would do it myself, but the lens popped out of my own camera and it's gonna be a tough couple of months financially! Thanks! Celardore^Talk 21:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)?

Well, there's one of the Mansion -- which is the Martyrs memorial? If I haven't got it on file, I can always make the effort to get a new one (I do have my own photo of Balance if needs be, by the way). I may yet reshoot the Mansion, as that photo was a particularly dreary day. -- Ratarsed 21:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The martyr memorial, let me try and explain this: If approaching the mansion from the front, carry on the 'spine' path of the park. There are some public toilets on the right about 50yds from the mansion, if you can see them you can see the memorial. It's fenced in and made of stone. Sorry, that's all from memory! You'll find it I'm sure. And since we're having such nice weather you probably could get a better picture of the mansion. I didn't notice one on WP though, I probably missed it. And that Balance photo is nice. Cheers. Celardore^Talk 21:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Is the memorial here, or further North by the other set of public toilets, here? (prbably best to compare those grid refs with something like the Windows Live Local mapping or the OS 1:25,000, as they're less than 500m from each other :)

As an aside, bright sunshine is very difficult to take a good picture in -- I'm sure I had a better photo already though, but with close to 8,000 to sort through, it's not a quick job...

Sorry, I've not had so much time for WP the past few days. Map references confuse me a little bit. I did doubt my directions; so I went to the park on Friday night to check what I said. If you're walking from the front of the mansion, just follow the spine and you can't miss it. I can't really say more than that. I wish I had a working digital camera still!

I think I found it on the aerial photography (and references elsewhere) just need the time to get into the park and get the shot. Ratarsed 20:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

In your own time friend, don't put yourself out for it. I just think it would be good to have a picture of the memorial monument in the Ipswich Martyrs article and you're likely the most willing and able person to do it! Celardore^Talk 20:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of which -- I was looking remarkably suspicious around Ravenswood and the Airport Terminal Building yesterday morning (oh, and Felaw Maltings, but that's not relevent yet) Ratarsed 20:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opposition to category move

I noticed you posted your opposition to the category moves and suggested that we categorize by navy instead of by country. I'd like to invite you to join in the discussion at WP:SHIPS; categorizing by navy has real disadvantages and after a month of discussion we decided that it would be better to categorize by country. It's very difficult to spend a month working on and deciding on a proposal and having it voted down at a glance. If you feel, after checking out the advantages and disadvantages of both, that it would still be better to categorize by navy, we'd appreciate your input in coming up with a new categorization scheme.

Incidentally, "Royal Navy" is the correct official name for the navy, and "British Navy" is incorrect. "Navy of the United Kingdom" is not the navy's name but it is a correct term; the Royal Navy is the navy of the United Kingdom. TomTheHand 20:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I was already there drafting a response :)

Thank you! It feels great to get more input on the issue; sometimes the sound of all the crickets chirping over on WP:SHIPS makes it hard for me to think. TomTheHand 21:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move at Talk:Water Eaton

Please see my response to your comment. -- Roleplayer 23:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Southampton University and geographies of health

Hi,

I will make a mental note to try and help you write the article you propose about the UK census. I study Environmental Sciences at the university and am about to undertake a dissertation on something health geography related. I'm verging on a qualitative study of access, need and utilisation of health services, the use of weighted capitation resource allocation formulas and the effectiveness of indicies of deprivation that are based on these forumas in assessing need and access to healthcare etc. If I do a more quantitative dissertation I may even get David Martin to supervise it.

In which case any help you could give in regards to GIS etc is very much appreciated and I will try to pass on the knowledge I gain from David's supervision to this site.

At the moment I'm just trying to get an idea of how to go about qualitative research, and am inclined toward some sort of semi-structured interview. Perversely I'm quite happy to see there are few articles in this area on wikipedia, it will be nice to be able to contribute to an area that hasn;t been covered much, time permitting with these work commitments.

regards Supposed 06:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

That sounds good; I've got some personal commitments (my wedding) over the next couple of weeks that mean I'll be unlikely to get the graphics together that I was going to do. I hope to be able to make a start after that. --Ratarsed 07:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metric units

Hi,

I am not quite sure what made you think metric units were not acceptable, but I see that you have now decided that they are. Anyway, I hope that whatever it is you learned, that it will help improve Wikipedia. Hopefully we can have an encyclopedia with universal units of measurement.

Keep up the good work. Regards bobblewik 16:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that was my bad -- my mind indadvertyantly added a "not" in the "provide conversions" statement (to be be consistant with currencies, where it has more reason). I still like hectares tho'... -- Ratarsed 17:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

OK. Minds can sometimes flip like that. I use square kilometres because they are easier than hectares. bobblewik 18:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I was surprised that you changed hectares to square kilometres ouright (rather than adding the conversion) -- Hectares (and derivitives, such as dwellings per hectare for housing densities) are used in planning policy and other local authority documentation in the UK. As far as I'm aware, hectares are unambiguous (as apposed to square miles), and as such, I see no reason to not use them? -- Ratarsed 07:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I did not use both in Teesport because hectares add no value to square kilometres. Anybody that understands 200 hectares also understands 2 square kilometres.

You are correct to say that domain specialists use hectares. But Wikipedia is not an in-house publication for domain specialists. It is an encyclopedia and that, by definition, means it should be accessible to non-specialists.

Ordinary people encounter kilometres often but hectares much less often. Some can go through their entire lives without encountering a value in hectares, but I would be surprised if anyone managed to avoid kilometres (even people in the US come across it particularly if they serve in the military). If you look maps in metric countries (e.g. Ordnance Survey), you even have square kilometres marked out but you don't have hectares marked. Two square kilometres is two grid squares or a distance of two kilometres by one kilometre. I would be surprised if many ordinary people found '200 hectares' easier.

• Try an experiment:

Area-to-value test: Ask somebody to look at an area of land from on top of a hill and tell you how many hectares it is. Try the same with square kilometres.

Value-to-area test: Give somebody a value in hectares and ask somebody to point out an area of land of that size from on top of a hill. Try the same with square kilometres.

Regards bobblewik 21:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

That is where I'd disagree -- the Ordanance Survey does mark hectares on it's large scale products (1:2500, 1:1250). A straw poll of an office in a UK shipping company shows that people here understand (in preference order) square miles, acres, and hectares. When asked specifically if they could estimate the size of the plot of land that the industrial estate that the offices sit on, answers were given in acres and hectares. Nobody had a fantest clue on square kilometres (and people did the incorrect conversion of 1.6 square kilometres to the square mile).

My preference would be to include the value in hectares if it is within a suitable order of magnitude, with an idea of "suitable" as "less than a thousand" -- Ratarsed 12:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norfolk Broads

Hi,

I added a photo of the Norfolk Broads and an external link to many more pictures of the Norfolk Broads, including an online guided tour. You claim this is spam - why? TourNorfolk is a non-proft making website intended to promote tourism to a county that depends on it and adds value to Wiki readers looking for information on Norfolk.

Can you explain this as I checked with another reviewer that I was following wiki guidelines BEFORE I applied the edits - sophos - and they told me its was ok providing i supplied content and not just a link. If you are worried about copyright of the photo's I supplied, then fear not as I took all of them myself.

TourNorfolk

Per WP:EL, I interpreted that link as falling foul of the following recommendation as to what to avoid linking to:

• "Links mainly intended to promote a website."
• "Links to sites with objectionable amounts of advertising." -- over 20 on destination page
• "Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research." and/or "Links to blogs and personal webpages, except those written by a recognized authority." -- Any official website would at least mention that The Broads are in Suffolk, too.

Per WP:CON, there is the comment that states, "avoid editing articles related to your organization or its competitors", which is what you appear to have done, see also Conflict of interest#Self-promotion

Looking at all your past edits, they seem to consist only of linking to your own website.

At the end of the day, these are my opinions, so by all means discuss them. -- Ratarsed 21:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD Nomination: Raspberry Software

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[edit] MSC Napoli links fixed

You removed some broken links from the MSC Napoli article. I wanted to let you know that I have fixed the links and restored them. --Eastmain 21:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coal-fired power stations by country

I wanted to let you know that a category that you created (Category:Coal power stations in England) is being discussed at Categories for Discussion. ~ BigrTex 21:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Request for page protection - Rightmove

Hello. For this article, watchlisting it and reverting any sporadic vandalism suffices. Most vandalism is reverted immediately by recent changes patrollers so keeping an eye for any vandalism that managed to go unnoticed is enough at the moment. Regards, Húsönd 01:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for putting this in for me, Ratarsed. I'll keep an eye on it. Best wishes Ahmedbadr3 02:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies for reverting

I apologise for reverting your deletion of category Grade II listed buildings from Chetham's Library which I have now put back as you left it. A moment of blindness on my part. Congratulations on your brave start to categorising listed buildings by county. Oosoom ^Talk to me 14:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tregarden

You tagged the article Tregarden for clean up can you explain what needs doing? Thanks Teapotgeorge 16:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure, in short, it doesn't adhere to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style as it is currently written, specifically Section 3 -- Ratarsed 16:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ipswich Martyrs

Hi, I noticed that you quite quickly removed the photo needed tag from this article after I added a picture. I'm not an expert at wiki, could you perhaps help tidy up what I've done? I have added two images to the article, as well as the names of the people on it. If you could tidy it up to look better that would be awesome. The pics could be better, but for a camera phone I think they do the job quite well.

I know you have that banner that says you'll reply here only, but if you could drop me a little talk page thing to let me know you've read what I said that would be a really nice favour. Thanks Jamdonut 20:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Power station infobox

Thanks for your new infobox. It does seem to have a slight problem with displaying the lat/long coordinates, which are sqished right up against the underline that Wikipedia draws beneath the article title. This results in the topmost pixels of the coordinates being cut off, making them quite difficult to read. Perhaps you could do something to resolve this problem?

The same effect happens in both Firefox and Internet Explorer.
--NSH001 15:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what the problem is (that infobox just embeds {{tl:coor titled d}}) -- the problem also appears to be affecting {{tl:infobox UK place}} -- If I can work the cause out then I'll try and fix it in both... -- Ratarsed 16:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Seems it doesn't like being embedded in tables, fixed it now, though. -- Ratarsed 19:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hunting merger

The tags you added to merge Big-game hunter into Hunting have long been removed, so I think there is consensus to leave them be as separate articles. I reorganized and enlarged the internal links for Big-game hunter. Note that I've also created an article on Hunting license, and am still working on that. I will take the liberty of removing these articles from the July 2006 list of proposed mergers from WP:MERGE. Nice effort, though. Bearian 15:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC) P.S. The old link was at: Wikipedia:Proposed_mergers#July_2006, under WP:PM. Bearian 15:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Duplex"

In this edit, you changed a common term - overlap - to a neologism - duplex. The two terms mean the same thing - that both routes use the same stretch of road - but the latter is a nonstandard term, and should net be used. --NE2 08:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd disagree, although perhaps I meant multiplexes[1] [2] [3] [4]:

Overlap: 1 extend over so as to cover partly. 2 partly coincide. [4]

Multiplex: 1 consisting of many elements in a complex relationship. 2 (of a cinema) having several separate screens within one building. 3 involving simultaneous transmission of several messages along a single channel of communication. [5]

In either way, I'd say it's at best misleading to suggest a minor route "overlaps" a more major route, either physically or metaphorically; especially as the minor route effectively disappears for the duration of the multiplex. I'm not aware of a suitable Wikiproject to get a more expert opinion -- Even the article's Talk Page refers to roads multiplexing... -- Ratarsed 12:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naming for the rivers Ore and Alde

I have noticed your claim (I assume they were yours anyway) in the article for the River Ore and the River Alde about the different banks of the river having different names. Do you have a reference you could site for this detail? I say this because the referenced 'Ore and Alde association' describes it differently with the name changing at Orford. to quote: "The Alde flows from the shifting sand and shingle banks of the mouth (from where, until it passes the historic town of Orford, it is called the River Ore)". Also, do you have any thoughts on the River Butley. I am putting some information into wikipedia about the Butley Ferry and really need a reference for the River Butley. Should I create a separate article for the Butley River?PeterIto (talk) 10:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] River Gaywood

Hello Ratarsed

I see you have reversed the name River Gaywood to the Gaywood river If you go to [6] and then check page chapter 4.5.5. you will see that the environment agency call it the River Gaywood and not the way you have redirected the title. I have noted that the OS map Explorer 23 (Norfolk Coast West)does indeed have the title as you have suggested. I do not have a diffinitive correct name as both Govenment agencys seem to be at odds. I know that locally the river is just known as the "Gay". Stavros1 (talk) 19:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

From my experience, I've never known it as "(The) River Gaywood", always as "Gaywood River" or simply "The Gay". I'd suggest that the Ordnance Survey is a more reliable source as they'd actually have to have surveyed it, and asked the locals what it was called (to form the initial name in their records); I'd even go far as to suggest that someone thought it was a mistake whilst proof-reading a report for the environment agency - after all, King's Lynn lost its apostrophe as well... -- Ratarsed (talk) 09:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfD nomination of "Earl Merkel"

I have nominated "Earl Merkel" (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinates for King's Lynn Power Station

Hello Ratarsed Your Coordinates need correct for the power station as at the moment they direct you to a field near SpaldingStavros1 (talk) 11:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

My bad -- got my East/West mixed up... -- Ratarsed (talk) 13:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Release date for Canon Rebel XSi

So it appears we have a bit of a conflict with the Canon Rebel XSi camera. We have a Canon UK press release that says March 2008:

http://www.canon.co.uk/press_centre/press_releases/cameras_accessories/eos450d_press_release.asp

And a Canon USA press release that says April 2008:

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20080123_xsi.html

So which do we go with? I don't believe there really is any precedence or default answer for this. Tejastheory (talk) 09:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd opt to go for "both" as it wouldn't be the first product to be released in different territories at different times -- when listing for "first release" times, go for the earliest (as with any new product actual availability tends to lag anyway). -- Ratarsed (talk) 09:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, earliest release date makes sense to me. Tejastheory (talk) 11:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Miltonparksmall.gif

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[edit] Milton Park, in Abingdon?

True enough, though it is in the postal address, you may have to change quite a few references if you want to go down this route 86.130.122.126 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not in any of the Parishes that make up Abingdon, and is closer to Didcot. Post towns are pretty meaningless in rural environs, because you get silly things like parts of one county being described as in another, like Goring or Woodcote which are "in" Reading (as apposed being villages both about 5 miles from Reading in Oxfordshire). -- Ratarsed (talk) 20:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nene Valley Railway

I've removed the branch you added to the ECML template: looking at google images, the NVR stops short of a connection with the Ely to Peterborough line, and has no connection to the ECML, which follows a contour 20' or so higher than the NVR. I've used a siding image instead to indicate proximity but no connection. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The actual connection is at TL191967 -- Ratarsed (talk) 07:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Horringer Court Middle School

• Apologies but if you read this link you will see my confusion [7] Regards Paste (talk) 20:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

• No problem -- I'm tempted to trust Edubase (and the school) in this instance, as Edubase at least have a "record updated" date (unlike the council) -- that doesn't mean it's right though, so should there be any other sources (such as a story in a local paper to celebrate a new head), they would be most useful. -- Ratarsed (talk) 09:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks. Cburnett (talk) 03:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disambigute West Midlands -> West Midlands (county)

Hi there! I notice that you've added infoboxes to schools within the West Midlands county. Could you use the form West Midlands please, as just plain West Midlands leads to a disambiguation page for the county/region/conurbation and so on. Thanks! Fingerpuppet (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry 'bout that, I've written a helper application to help me apply infoboxes for UK schools (based on information from Edubase.gov.uk) -- I'll tweak it to include that disambiguation... -- Ratarsed (talk) 11:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Canon DSLR template

I saw that you reverted my edit to the Canon DSLR cameras template. I find it confusing to have two sections of cameras labled Professional, and DPreview's reviews hardly count as source; whatever their subjective statement be, it's not a source to classify cameras. A Canon reference, however, would be valid. I was unable to find a Canon reference to any of their cameras as "professional" or "prosumer", but here they refer to the 5D as targeted toward "professionals and serious amatures alike" — that's basically the definition of prosumer. So, I'd like to remove the links and change the 5D's category to prosumer full frame. Please tell me if you find this satisfactory. Thegreenj 20:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

This has been discussed on the talk page for the template to a certain extent. The dpreview articles are rehashing the Canon press releases to a great extent, but you are right that a Canon press release would be preferable. Verging on WP:OR, but I do know of a lot of professional photographers using the 5D as a professional camera in their day to day work. In reality Canon have several professional cameras for different markets; the 1D for sports, the 1Ds for studio, with the 5D regarded as ideal for Wedding work. Probably best take your concerns to the discussion on the template talk page though, so that a consensus can be agreed. -- Ratarsed (talk) 21:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I daresay a professional can use a disposable camera at a wedding if he'd like, but that doesn't make pros its intended audience. In any case, I've found and put in links from Canon that should be satisfactory. Thegreenj 21:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{EastEngland-school-stub}}

Hi Ratarsed - I've listed EastEngland-school-stub for deletion at WP:SFD - though templates on a county-by-county basis were supported at WP:WSS/P, there is no such county as "East of England", and certainly there shouldn't be a template for it. Grutness...wha? 00:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{Yorkshire-school-stub}}

Some schools you've tagged with {{Yorkshire-school-stub}} are done in error. Whilst schools in Redcar and Cleveland, Middlesbrough and some parts of Stockton-on-Tees are ceremonially in North Yorkshire they are not in Yorkshire and Humber as the stub says but in fact they are in North East England. It's a minor point but still one which ought to be considered. Thanks! Computerjoe's talk 21:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the regions straddling the counties in this manner; You might want to comment on the debate to make the stub categories more fine grained at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2008/April#UK schools (again) -- Ratarsed (talk) 19:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] School stubs

Hi again - just thought I'd let you know that I've moved your new {{TyneAndWear-school-stub}} to {{TyneandWear-school-stub}} - no big deal, but other T&W stubs (like the geo-stub) use a small "a" in "and" :) Grutness...wha? 21:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Same with {{IsleofWight-school-stub}}. Grutness...wha? 22:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] School infoboxes

I see that you're doing some great work adding co-ordinates to school infoboxes. However, I'm somewhat puzzled as to why you're removing all the flags, adding the unnecessary title "Mr", and removing the tidy forms of the school website URLs. I cannot see any reason for making these changes. Could you please discuss before making any further changes. I've started restoring some of the flags and URLs but there seem to be quite a few which will need restoring. Dahliarose (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

You may or not have noticed that I'm actually pasting in a completely new copy of the infobox (based on the blank copy at {{Infobox UK school}}) and add the information from Edubase -- I've got a set of macros set up to help in this, but it seems it's not recognising the multitude of options for how people specify the country (which is ironic as the template only really applies to England, given things like Ofsted number, etc.) By all means add the flags back in if you wish, but it's unfortunate that you didn't point it out sooner, as I've already done over 1,000 schools... -- Ratarsed (talk) 19:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it might have been best if you'd notified Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools before making such mass changes. I only watch a few school articles and the edit summary you gave did not make it clear that all these changes were happening. I only noticed it was happening quite by chance. I was under the impression that all the schools I'm watching (mostly Gloucestershire) were already using the standard UK template. If you are going to use the macro I think you need to change it so that the "Mr" is omitted, the flags are sorted and also so that the neater abbreviated version of the website URL is retained and not deleted. The UK template was set up specifically so that the shortened version of the URL could be used if preferred though some people simply use the words "Official website". The template is also used by Welsh and Scottish schools, but I don't think all of them have yet been changed over to the new template. If there's anything that is not covered then I suggest you discuss the matter on the template talk page. Dahliarose (talk) 22:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Presuming you have addressed D-Rose's point then well done on the Derbyshire infoboxes Victuallers (talk) 22:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

To respond to Dahliarose (talk · contribs), I noticed that most instances where missing the 'specialist_pl' parameter; Mind you, a lot were missing the whole infobox. Quite a few instances also list the head's qualifications (BSc etc.), I'd also say the title is important, especially with female heads, or those that are now Dr (etc.), or even those with ambiguous names, or only initials. Combining this with the fact that most students will refer to the head as Mr. Bryan (etc) in the third person, I think it's worth including -- after all, Edubase, Ofsted, etc. all deem it important enough... Regarding notifying Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools, in the past, I've found that comments and suggestions tend to go unanswered, so in true Wikipedia fashion I was bold and went ahead by adding them, and moving to a countrywide consistent formatting (and yes, I've even done some of Wales, too), as well as stub sorting all of the {{UK-school-stub}}

And whilst I'm here, thanks Victuallers (talk · contribs) -- good to hear that some of my efforts aren't in vain -- Ratarsed (talk) 08:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The plural parameter for the specialist schools was added after a lot of the infobox templates had already been added. I hadn't appreciated the extent of what you'd done and this macro could potentially be very useful if the flag problem and the URL problem could be sorted. The inclusion of the title is perhaps open to debate. In my view it is not normal practice to include honorifics in encyclopaedic articles. I don't see why it should be necessary to know the marital status of the female head, and the use of the title Ms. is very clumsy. I would prefer to see the title excluded. I've alerted WPSchools to what you are doing and no doubt people will comment if they are interested. It is quite an active project and people usually do respond Dahliarose (talk) 10:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I personally dont like having the persons title in the infobox. It just doesnt look good. As for mentioning their degrees etc, i dont like that either; Does anyone really care that the headmaster of School A in Country B has a Bachelor of Education? No. So why add it? Simple. Five Years 16:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I see it being more useful if the person has a more unusual title or suffix, such as being a sir, or having an OBE -- Ratarsed (talk) 18:45, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wyedean School

I noticed that you changed the "Location" in the infobox to read "Chepstow, Monmouthshire..". The postal address is in fact Sedbury, Chepstow, Monmouthshire. However, the location - which is what the infobox shows - is Sedbury, Gloucestershire - that is, across the Wye from Chepstow, in Gloucestershire, England, not Monmouthshire, Wales. This is explained in the article. So, I reverted your change.Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Fearnhill School

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[edit] School stubs

Hi Ratarsed - what's with all the school-stub templates? I don't recall any of them being proposed, though they should have been... They're all listed at WP:WSS/D. Grutness...wha? 02:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

They were proposed, suggested as speedy; which was supported over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2008/May#European school stubs by nation (have also replied at WP:WSS/D for everyone else's benefit) -- Ratarsed (talk) 08:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)