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[edit] Puritanism

* Two of Mika's most noticeable trademarks are her abnormally large and prominent breasts, which jiggle during her taunt and win poses. Two heart-shaped emblems covering her areolae and nipples serve to draw attention to these unusually massive mammaries.

All of this information is true. It is structured in a grammatically correct form and does not make use of obscene words. Nothing was removed in order to add this information. The information is descriptive of the character in question and is not out of keeping with similar descriptions of hairstyles, height, weight, clothing and other appearance-related traits which are standard for every Street Fighter character with a page on Wikipedia. Furthermore, it is in the "trivia" section, so claims of inconsequentiality are redundant and inappropriate.

The only reason I can then imagine that someone would censor this mundane addition as "vandalism" is the American taboo against nudity or the discussion of 'sexual' organs in general; however, that taboo has not achieved worldwide acceptance, let alone acceptance in the Western world, it is irrational, and importantly the mammaries do not serve any primary sexual purpose (they store milk for babies) though due to various psychological reasons some men have fetishized them. That subjective fetishism should not be the concern of a purportedly neutral encyclopedia.

If tidbits about Chun-Li's hairstyle, Cammy's "revealing" tights, Thunder Hawk's relative physical enormity, Ken Masters' dyed hair or Elena's skin color are deemed appropriate, then there is no reason why this should be censored.

Please do not vandalize this article by deleting information unless you can offer some rational justification. Thank you. 65.98.21.82 11:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Cite a source for this please, and please point out how it's not pushing a POV. --Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 11:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
People like you are the exact reason that only people like you will remain active editors at Wikipedia. What can you really do about an obsessive jerk on a power trip, if you're not willing to invest the same amount of time on the article? Obviously, the source is R. Mika's sprite, which can be viewed by anyone who plays the game. Relative to the average female dimensions hers are unrealistic, just like Barbie's.
I notice that you haven't deleted the other 5-6 sentences in this article which are based on observational opinion - why could that be? Why is this particular addition the only thing in this article you are concerned with reverting, and pigeonholing as "vandalism" despite an attempt at reasonable discourse which you answer with sardonicism? But in the long run, who really cares? Since you use Wikipedia more, you win by default. Enjoy your power-trip, and have fun asserting Judeo-Christian ethics inappropriately whenever your personal moral sense is offended. 65.98.21.82 12:10, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, if the source is R. Mika's sprite, that would fall under WP:NOR. Cite a source that says almost all players find her boobs to be "two of [her] most noticeable trademarks". And ROFL at your other trolling comments. I'd answer your questions, but since it seems you're leaving us, it doesn't really matter. Besides, I doubt you really care why I haven't removed the other lines anyways.. --Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 12:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Meaningless troll-calling and ROFLing aside, you have a point about the subjectivity of that particular phrase. However, rather than modifying it you have excised all of the information, including:
  • That R. Mika's win and taunt animations include breast-jiggling.
  • That heart-shaped emblems cover R. Mika's areolae and nipples.
  • That R. Mika's breasts are unusually large relative to normal female dimensions (I suppose this point could be argued)
Is there any reason these items should not be in R. Mika's trivia section, assuming that my accusation of your Puritanism is incorrect as you seem to indicate? 65.98.21.82 12:40, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
At least, assuming it's true (I haven't seen R. Mika's taunts/win in a long time), I have no problem with the factual details going in. The reason I didn't modify it was because it was worded in a very, uh.. childish manner. I would have been forced to rewrite the entire thing. My proposal--
  • R. Mika's breasts jiggle during her taunt and win poses and are covered by heart-shaped emblems.
I guess the other thing that bugged me about the whole line (including my proposal above) is that it seems obvious: it's not trivia-worthy. I know some of the other stuff in there isn't exactly trivia-worthy either, but my goal has been to keep stuff like this from creeping in and making it even worse. --Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 12:51, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "JuJube"'s non-NPOV vandalism

You can't just declare that valid content is unencyclopedic. As can be seen above, there was a hashing-out of the breast-trivia issue on the talk page, where edits are supposed to be discussed. User:JuJube has ignored this consensus opinion, has not contributed any argument or coherent opinion to the talk page, and insists upon vandalizing this article to suit his Christian viewpoint, which is apparently that mammary glands and their relative size are offensive tidbits to be blocked indefinitely. 216.139.219.148 01:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you atribute the information to a reliable source?Geni 01:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there a source for the importance of this character's breasts? As far as I've observed, many- maybe even most- female video game characters have unusually large breasts; unless there's some reason that this character's are special, I don't get why there's a need for a paragraph about them. Of course, if there is a source verifying that this character's breast size is unusual or significant in some way, I'd be happy to rethink that opinion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 01:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Cited below, from 3 Capcom-licensed or internal sources. Was that just rhetoric, or are you actually willing to rethink your opinion in the face of information which contradicts your viewpoint on the relevancy of breast-size information? 85.13.251.106 02:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Cited where?Geni 02:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure when exactly I became Christian, as my user page makes my religious affiliation quite clear. In any case, it's not being removed in the interests of any sort of censorship, but because it's encyclopedically irrelevant to her character. As FisherQueen said, big busts are not surprising, and the picture makes it clear what her appearance is. JuJube 01:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Your opinion is what's irrelevant. As discussed above, if hair color is assumed to be a valid topic for inclusion, so too is relative breast size.

As for sources (as if it matters, with the Wikipedia thought police instantly disposing of anyone's additions into the memory hole without any discussion), they are actually quite plentiful: the Udon comic and Street Fighter Legends: Sakura v1 contain references to R. Mika's unusually large mammaries, as does All About Capcom Fighting Games 1987-2000 ("the incredibly busty wrestler") do you have references which suggest that Mika's milk-glands are normal-sized relative to the rest of the Capcom world?

Now that valid sources have been cited, I'm interested to see whether your prudish mentalities will allow you to revert your own censorship. As the contributor above has already opined, there's no point in engaging in edit-wars with Wikipedia hawks who will relentlessly article-squat until their viewpoint is solidified as fact. 85.13.251.106 01:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Does that go for everyone, or just those who believe that R. Mika's elephantine mammaries deserve a mention in her article? 85.13.251.106 02:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I consider it very offensive that with all the other far more important political disputes going on in Wikipedia, you choose the size of a fictional character's breasts to hang your hat on. JuJube 02:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Anon: Yes, it goes for everyone. I have it targeted primarily at you because you are most clearly not assuimng good faith (or at least, were not at the time you spoke of censorship and assumed to know JuJube's worldview); however, everyone in this debate should do so. And that's all I have to say for now. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)