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[edit] Name

First, Gloriana is not Psylocke's real name. It is a title for a member of the royal family (in the House of M world), in the same way Regina is sometimes added after the current Queen Elizabeth's name (Regina being Latin for Queen). Gloriana is Latin for glory or renown, and was a title applied to Queen Elizabeth I.

Second, though the comics are currently spelling Betsy's full first name with an S, the original spelling used was with a Z. If the comics began spelling Spider-Man's real name "Peter Perker" then that'd be a mistake, not a name change. It's the same thing here. The original spelling is with a Z, it's been Z through much of her history, and Marvel's Handbooks, from the 1980s to the present ones, have all spelled it with a Z. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.242.247 (talk) 15:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Changes

Gloriana is not Psylocke's middle name in the true reality, only the one she had in the House Of M reality warp. As for her codename, it's a play on the term 'psi-lock', a phrase Chris Claremont coined and was fond of using in Uncanny X-Men at the time.

A psi-lock is when a telepath seizes someone's thoughts, freezing their body and holding them immobile.

It seems unlikely that Gloriana was her middle name even in House of M. It was given, effectively, as a title in House of M, which makes sense considering it was one of the popular honorifics of Elizabeth I.

The Gloriana moniker only showed up in House of M and was never previously mentioned, until the cannon 616 Psylocke is called it on panel its not concrete. Also those Marvel guidebooks that get published often get information wrong so they too aren't a reliable sourcePsyGuy 2nd 21:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Creators

Alan Moore and Alan Davis are not her creators. Her first appearance, Captain Britain #8, was written by Chris Claremont and Herb Trimpe.--DrBat 20:43, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Psylocke

I'd just note that there's a confusing statement in this portion that is not entirely correct. It tells us that "David" is Xavier's son, and that in the 616 universe he is known as Proteus. But in the 616 Universe, Proteus was Moira MacTaggart's son Kevin, and Xavier's son David was Legion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djcbuffum (talk • contribs) 03:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Is it just me, or did Betsy seem to be of Asian origin in Ultimate X-Men even before she posessed Kwannon? Ultimate James and Brian are clearly Caucasian, so I'm not sure what to make of this, but that's what it looked like Daibhid C 15:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

You got a point, Betsy looked a bit Asian there. But as long there is no concrete info, just leave it at that IMHO. Onomatopoeia 14:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Betsy Braddock was originally from Great Britian, it was only after she was kidnapped that her appearence was changed to that of her captors, which were of Japanese origin. They were ninja, who along with assimilating her appearence also taught her martial arts while incorporating her "psyche-knife," in her fighting capabilities. She isn't Japanese, she is British JennyFinn 20:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

JennyFiin: That is what happened in the normal Marvel U, are you saying that's what happened in the Ulitimate Universe too? Dorin 22:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

So, I'm not the biggest expert on X-Men ever, but "British" is a nationality, whereas "Japanese" is both a nationality and an ethnicity. 29 May 2006

"British" is a ethnicity when compaired to the other cultures in Europe, just as Japan is different when compaired to Korea or China. But this hardly matters since this discussion is over the Ultimate version of the character, and JennyFinn is clearly talking about the mainstream version.

Is Ultimate Psylocke a mutant? I've only seen her appearance in the storyline with Proteus, but it seems to me like she is not classified as a mutant. Her position is not surrounded by the controversy associated with mutanthood; maybe she's only a "normal human" whose psychic ability is unrelated to mutation?

Psylocke is a mutant in the Ultimate universe. It was stated by Proteus (while in possession of her body) that she used her family status and STRIKE affiliation to avoid the Sentinel attacks aimed at mutants worldwide.

[edit] Marvel vs. Capcom 2

Concerning her appearance in MvC2, I don't recall Psylocke ever being considered a top tier character. In fact, I have never in the history of my time on the internet read anyone talking about Psylocke in MvC2, leading me to believe she is in fact rather weak in the game.

Well, she is on the cover. That makes me think of her as a top tier...

There are aspects of her in Marvel vs Capcom 2 that make her a candidate for top tier

~ One of if not THE fastest player in the game ~ A triple jump ~ The Moonsault flip that easy allows her to take advantage of the triple jump in an air combo. ~ Her combo connection is seriously loose making it very easy to combo. ~ A fast and tall directional fireball. ~ High priority and good range with the majority of her punches and kicks. Her Hp in all its forms and her jumping and crouching HK as examples. ~ Almost instantaneous connection on her Alpha "Psy-Blade" assist. ~ All standard moves can also be used in the air as well as 2 of her 3 super moves.

However there are a few reasons she would be thrown out of top tier status:-

~ Takes damage moderately badly. ~ Teleport move leaves her very prone and is far too slow to be considered useful. ~ Does not have a strong anti air attack. ~ Her super attacks all require relatively close range, and leave her vulnerable if missed. ~ Her Super attacks lack damage. ~ Her supposedly powerful Psi-Maelstrom move from Marvel Super Heroes has been nerfed to such a degree it hits for less than her standard Hp.

Hence why she is not considered top-tier. Mid High possibly, Its open for debate but theres my opinion. PsyGuy 2nd 21:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Psyche?

I'm going to remove the phrase "believed to be a pun on 'Psyche'" from this article until someone can verify this assumption. I've always thought it was a combination of "Psychic" and "Warlock" (though admittedly that doesn't make much sense). Applejuicefool 20:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh. That took me a bit. I don't know if there's any support for it, but it's awesome.

As Claremont said:- CHRIS CLAREMONT ] "Psy, from "psychic" / "psionic." Locke, implying someone who could either lock or unlocke someone else's brain. Since the externalization of Betsy's power was her psychic knife, which tended to spazz those it struck, or "lock" down ther nervous systems, "lock" (or rather its feminine, "locke") made perfect sense." So no it has nothing to do with Warlocks, although she has been called a Mind Witch on numerous occasions PsyGuy 2nd 22:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intro getting long?

Should some of the first few paragraphs of this entry be put down in the "character history" section? j-beda 14:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't the birthday part be considered trivia? PsyGuy 2nd 21:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] on film

does anyone know of a pic where you can clearly see the tattoo? i had not seen this. Amo 21:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, i didn't see the red tattoo in the film. She and callisto's gang all hang regular tatoos of a mutant symbol, as a display of pride, but as i say, so far as i could see they were your standard ink tatoo. I removed this speculation from the article. Amo 12:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

If you look closely at the Meiling Melancon Psylocke pic, you can see a red scar-like mark over her left eye.NeoCoronis 20:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

A better example is at Meiling Melançon; same picture, but this one is blown up in the code. EVula 21:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

the pic in the Melançon article looks fuzzy to me, and i can't see anything above her eye, as her fringe is so long. Amo 22:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, speaking of the film, it seems no one here can decide whether or not Psylocke died at the end of the film. One minute, someone says she went of camera and lived, and another, it says she got fried. Because of this flip-flopping, can we lock the article until further noticed? If not, what can we do to reduce the flip-flopping? Can't we all decide on one thing?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crboyer (talk • contribs)

Well we can wait for the DVD and do a frame by frame analysis. Or we can wait for official word from FOX. I don't really care whether she lived or died anyway. --Facto 19:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, good idea. I think we can wait for the DVD. Crboyer

I tried to clarify this section last night...hope it helps. Tullyman 16:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where does Psylocke escape in the book?

Could someone tell me where Psylocke escapes in the book? What page number is it?

Can you specify the book? I am sure she has made lots of escapes.Dorin 20:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

i think they mean the X-Men: the last stand novellisation. Amo 22:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I do. So where did she escape in the novellisation of the movie? could I have the exact page number?

[edit] Removed image

I removed Image:Psylock.gif in a recent edit. Why? For starters, it was an obnoxiously spastic animated GIF; very small number of frames repeated, ad nauseam, that was really getting on my nerves. It also has no copyright information. On top of that, she doesn't look any different on the show than she does in the comics; the picture doesn't illustrate anything that isn't already taken care of by the other images. I also redid the EVula 15:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fighting skills

Psylocke is skilled in several forms of combat, such as kung fu, ninjutsu and chi sao (mentioned by Wolverine in X-men Unlimited #47, series 1).

I am sorry but I removed chi sao. Chi sao is NOT a form of combat. Any person who is a practicioner of Wing Chun Kung Fu (which this training drill comes from) or Jeet Kune Do will tell you. At best chi sao can be described as physical conditioning to help facilitate Wing Chun or Jeet Kune Do combat techniques.

Apparently the editors at Marvel were mistaken about the true purpose and intentions. If someone wants to say Psylocke is skilled in Wing Chun or Jeet Kune Do that would be more accurate. If so, please provide proper documentation. User:hokgwai 09;58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marvel Comics characters who can fly

Psylocke is listed in the "Marvel Comics characters who can fly" catergory, please can I ask why? I've never seen her use the ability of flight. Even her telekinesis doesn't allow her to fly (yet) - she can shatter mountains but doesn't have the control to move individual items. Would it be ok if I removed her from the catergory? Scarlettspiderg 20:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I forget the issue number, but during the introduction of Neal Shaara, she uses her TK to fly around with Archangel. That is the only instance that I can think of...but since it has happened, I would say keep her in the category. Tullyman 21:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

She is also shown flying after Rachel Summers (who was possessed by Nocturne at the time), don't know exact issue numbers but it was during House of M.

Psylocke flew in X-Men (2nd series) #103, X-Treme X-Men #2, Uncanny X-Men #464 and Uncanny X-Men #466. Not only did a she fly in Uncanny X-Men, but she levitated while stretching for the Sentinel ONE squad.

[edit] Notes section

I moved a seemingly ancillary comment about Psylocke's Brazilian name to a Notes section which I made. I didn't want to delete it b/c it was a cool fact, but if someone doesn't see the use of the section for one bullet point, talk about it. Tullyman 21:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Should the spoiler-info be moved to the notes section?

I say no, since it has to do with the character's upcoming history instead of a random fact (although I think that some of the stuff like the "letter in the article page" breaks compositional flow) Tullyman 19:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let's keep it as it is then. I was just wondering because I feal that the "letter" should be deleted from the Shadow King-entry coming january and moving the spoiler-info would than have been something temporary.

Seeing as notes = trivia, I did as the trivia box says:

"Content in this section should be integrated into the body of the article or removed",

I integrated two notes and removed the third one (under the notes section), then I removed the Trivia-tag. But now I see that a TWINKLE has put everything back into the note section and put back the trivia-tag. My question is why? I also removed a non-article (speculation) info under Television, which the TWINKLE also put back. I ask again, why? 194.17.6.3 14:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No more fans?

I was just wondering if the phrase “considered by many fans” (and/or the word “fans”) really should be posted. To me a statement that has the word “fans” in it sounds more of an opinion than a fact, so I say it should be deleted (unless the statement can be verified and thus complying with Wikipedia’s “five pillars”).

[edit] Removed Omega Level

I removed the speculation about Psylocke being an Omega level mutant in the power section. I can understand the reason for wanting to classify her as one, as she did inherented Jean's telekinesis, but I don't think that a mere power-switch can classify Psylocke as an Omega as it is the ability or the potential of a character to be an Omega, not the power that that certain individual has at the moment. Another factor speaking against Psylocke being a potential Omega is the fact that this has not (to my knowledge, you may correct me if I'm wrong about this) been officially confirmed by anyone, neither by Marvels editors or their writers.

[edit] Relationship

The section here makes no mention of Beast. Does anyone know more about this? I missed it in the comics myself, but when she returns to the mansion with Rachel she and Hank are way more than friendly. Kiss, lick, sniffing (and references to how she smells). I can't find the issue at the moment, but does anyone know more on this? I just remember thinking "what the bloody hell did I miss." Onikage725 11:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I read that bit in the LJ community scans_daily. Beast was being a silly flirt in his re-examining of Psylocke. She -had- to be re-examined to make sure she was Pyslocke and Beast, using his animal senses, takes the opprotunity to be a sly dog. Then Besty gives him a friendly kiss. That's all. Lots42 08:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It happened in Uncanny 460, possible Psylocke's best issue ever for interaction with other x-men. PsyGuy 2nd 21:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film "Death"

Is this confirmed by a screen cap or statement. I saw the film twice, but I don't have the DVD, but I remember the screen not being on Psylocke when Quill and Arclight died. It also seems odd that they would close the book on a popular and prominent character from the comics with such a small role after giving her the power to teleport and seemingly shifting the camera off her during her supposed death. Onikage725 11:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flirtation

Seeing as how Psylocke has a naturally flirtatious personality I find it irrelevant to mention her current flirtation with Morph, she flirted more with Night Crawler and there is no mention of that. Her relationship with Beast could also be misconstrued as more than just good friends. PsyGuy 2nd 21:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm removing Havok/Alex for the same reason. 130.241.18.31 15:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Powers

It mentions that Psylocke still had her Limited Precognitive powers whilst in her Kwannon body. I cant remember a single instance in comics when she utilised this ability after changing bodies.PsyGuy 2nd 21:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

X-Men vol.2 #5. While piloting the X-Jet, she has a precognitive flash warning of a hidden explosive that endangered the lives of Colossus and Cyclops. Tathunen, 1 May 2007

Whoa, I just checked, your absolutely correct. PsyGuy 2nd 10:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Was the vision that Psylocke experienced in Exiles #96 a result of her Precognitive powers or not? In the Current powers-section is says that: "It is not known if Psylocke still retains her precognitive power", while the Power changes-section says; "Precognition of unknown scale as evidenced by recent visions in Exiles". So which is it? 129.16.49.38 12:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing birthday entry

For something like this we should be siting a source, or at least naming the specific comic that is being referenced. It's not enough to just say it happened in a comic. Feel free to revert and add source. Dorin 07:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Ultimatekwannon.jpg

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[edit] What original research?

I followed the link from the "original research" tag, but couldn't find anything in the Editing Talk-section with referance to it. I don't doubt that the person who put up the tag saw something that was questionable on the article, but it is difficult to see what it is (specific). 194.17.6.3 16:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The current picture

I know Psylocke dresses skimpily, but surely there is a better pic available without the ludicrous thong.

Lots42 08:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Psylockenewoutfit.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Psylocke - exiles.png

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[edit] Ways to shorten the main article

I was recently asked to create a new article for alternate versions of Psylocke (see my talk page) because they wanted to add more but didn't want to lengthen this already long article. This article does need to be shortened, but I don't know if creating that article is appropriate as that is not a very large section of the main article. Should that be created, or should something else be broken away into its own article? --Freak104 (talk) 22:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

How about shorten the Crimson Dawn section, removing the info that is already explained in the CD article? I was also thinking of moving the "In other medium" info to a separate article, concentrating the article on comic book Psylocke only. NevliX (talk) 11:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Just like the 'Other versions' the 'In other media' section is not long enough that the removal of it won't shorten the main article very much, and it will create only a stub (not a full article). -Freak104 (talk) 16:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)