Talk:Preludes (Chopin)
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[edit] Linked preludes?
A while ago, someone reverted my edit of the preludes somewhat linked the the next (the last links back to the first). It is not obvious that the preludes do that, but it makes sense. Should I add it again? -- A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 15:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- By all means, if you think it is pertinent and encyclopedic, please add it back. When you say linked, are you are referring to the fact that the preludes are arranged in a circle of fifths?? Oscar 23:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Prelude NO. 15
I'm not one to change anything myself, but Prelude NO. 15 should have something in it's description stating that it's commonly aka. the "raindrop prelude." Even if only because that's what the majority of people commonly refer to it as. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.1.55.114 (talk) 19:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Garbage
This article is an absolute disgrace, consisting of little beyond wildly subjective, often meaningless and ill-informed opinions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.171.191 (talk) 01:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
- Could you please elaborate on that statement? Thanks. --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 22:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Nealy every major pianist?
Who says that nearly every major pianist has recorded the Chopin preludes and changed it back after I edited it? This is absolute tripe. MANY major pianists have recorded them. MANY have NOT recorded them.
Andrew —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.171.191 (talk) 00:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Chronology
Unless there is more recent research, the opus 28 preludes were written between 1835 and 1839, with better dating available only for a few (7 in 1836, 20 (poss.) & 17 in 1837, 1( poss.) and 2, 4, 10, and 21 between Oct. 1838 and Jan. 1839- the rest, sometime between Autumn 1835 and 1838) (Brown, Maurice J. E. (Aug. 1957). "The Chronology of Chopin's Preludes". The Musical Times 98 (1374): 423-4. doi:. ISSN 0027-4666.). It's a half-century old article; there certainly might be more recent and specific research. Schissel | Sound the Note! 02:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Deleting false fact
"The 24th Prelude can be heard in an orchestral arrangement in the Tom and Jerry cartoon The Cat's Concerto..." This is remarkably untrue. The orchestral arrangement is only the background of Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2. The chords in the back are not in D-minor (you can listen for yourself here. Thus, I see no other reason to delete it. --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 03:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Recording
I found a recording on Commons of No. 20, Image:Chopin - Prelude no. 20 op. 28 c minor.ogg, but the performer seems to have taken a few liberties in repeating a section or two. ALTON .ıl 07:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Perhaps the recording is of a different edition, but most likely, I'm wrong. Do you think it's okay to add it into the article with a small note of the "liberty"? — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 15:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- That's a good idea. As long as the performer plays the piece well enough to provide readers with an informative picture of the style of the preludes, we should utilize that recording as best as possible; that is, only if his "liberties" don't distort the piece excessively. --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 22:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Gee, thanks (if "MC" refers to me), but I really haven't done much constructive work yet. Good, reliable sources are still needed on which to base the facts of this article. In regards to the recording, I hope that it can be posted soon. --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 20:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Belated reply to request for comment
I've read the article, discussion and done a little copy-editing. Thanks for a quick education on this topic! I have two main suggestions for those developing this article into the future. I suspect this article may need to guard against two things:
- "flowery" vocabulary and sentence construction, given that this will exist in sources like music critics and historians; and,
- descriptive statements presented in a dogmatic way.
To further explain the second point, what I mean is description is a necessary part of this article, and some of that description will inevitably be somewhat subjective. In fact, we need subjective description, because that's how music works. Ideally, this description will come from published critics, and include contrary opinions (like para 3 of lead).
We don't need a "definitive" description, nor a comprehensive tracing of critical debate. We do need a reliable guide to imagining the impact the music has had on people. Diversity of sources and opinions will lead to an outstanding article, that will help readers get into the world of appreciating Chopin.
As has been noted, any free links to sound files are, of course, invaluable. There is no better description of something than the thing itself!
Good luck friends! Introduce us to the best published guides to appreciating Chopin! :) Alastair Haines (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
PS More objective and systematic data may help too. List numbers, keys, tempo, length in bars (measures), and published interpretations of the preludes (i.e. famous pianists performances that have been recorded in audio, or documented in print criticism).
- Sorry Alastair, it's been long in reply, but thanks muchly for the feedback. Right now, I'm looking for a reliable source on which to base this article, along with good, free-use recordings to use in the article. Thanks again for your help! =)
