Talk:Petrushka (ballet)

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[edit] The Music Itself

A section on the music itself would be very useful, I think. For example, Petrushka is listed as an example of pandiatonicism in a separate article, but not on the article on Petrushka. Other details would also be helpful. 72.88.227.172 01:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)anon

[edit] Needs Sources

The article needs sources. The only source that was cited in the article is a dead link, which I deleted:

Carnegie Hall's Program Notes for the performance on Nov 16th 2004.

—Finell (Talk) 15:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shrovetide versus Maslenitsa

This article, and many other English language discussions of Petrushka (program notes, liner notes, etc.), refer to the Russian fair in the first and fourth scenes as Shrovetide, which is the pre-Lent carnival of England. However, the Russian carnival is called Maslenitsa. Sources on Maslenitsa, although not the WP article, say that Petrushka folk tale was a regular feature of the Maslenitsa festivities. See, e.g., http://www.maslenitsa.com/english/traditions/petrusha.html or http://www.passportmagazine.ru/article/196. Maslenitsa must be the carnival that was the setting for the Petrushka ballet. Therefore, I don't understand the many references to Shrovetide in connection with Petrushka, unless it is just unjustified Anglicanization. Can anyone shed light on this? —Finell (Talk) 16:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

  • "Unjustified Anglicanization" - hit the nail on the head. "Shrovetide" is the best approximation those stuffy program-note-writers could get to Maslenitsa, which is essentially the same thing. (Linguistic sidenote: "Maslenitsa" from Russian "maslo" - oil/butter. The Eastern Orthodox tradition forbids the consumption of oil or dairy products (among other things - meat, etc.) during Lent. See also Mardi Gras ("Fat Tuesday") and Carnival (Carnal, chili con carne... meat, flesh!)) -IvanP/(болтай) 17:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Pulcinella (ballet)

It appears that this article should be merged with Pulcinella (ballet) as they are about the same ballet under another name. This one appears to be more complete though.IanThal 20:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope, they are different ballets, different music, different stories, etc. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discography?

Is the discography really necessary? The pages on Sacre & The Planets are both struggling with this question. If it's not a complete discography, then it is by definition POV which is not good. I don't think the list serves any purpose, and I'd say let's cut it out. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other versions

There's a lot of mis-information now in this section, not to mention the fact that there's already a section on the 1947 version earlier in the article. Between that overlapping, the overly-nitpicky stuff (to me) about specific changes in instrumentation in specific passages, and the rather POV stuff about the Three Pieces for solo piano version, this needs an overhaul. I will do so when I can but I'd like to be sure of other opinions before I start what might turn into an edit war. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 22:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wachtel book

I think that the material by Wachtel has been a welcome addition in an article sorely in need of sources. Credit should go to 129.7.125.18 who brought attention to it.--Atavi 12:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)