User:PalestineRemembered/Saeb Erekat
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[edit] Consensus at Saeb Erekat
This table presents the views of every editor there's been on this TalkPage since its beginning, Sep 2006. You may reasonable conclude that one editor has taken ownership of this article, and edit-warred eight others into silence, driving at least two good literate editors out of the project in the process.
| Editor | Erekat a liar? | WP:UNDUE | Comments made |
|---|---|---|---|
| User:Jaakobou | Yes | - | Various (User:192.114.4.12 likely sock-puppet of same editor "option of deleting that source rather than reverting the entire page which has a good number of extra issues and references. hence - WP:DE". 16:13, 4 December 2007). |
| User:PalestineRemembered | No | Yes | We're here to report what reliable sources say ... The RS don't mention the Jenin Massacre in connection with Saeb Erekat, and there's no reason for us to do so. PRtalk 18:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC) |
| User:Rama | No | Yes | Erekat might have spoken out of genuine concern ; he might have exagerated his own fears ; or he might magically have had a precise figure of the casualties and actually have lied ; we certainly have no proof that the third case of figure actually happened. Rama 16:33, 10 September 2006 |
| User:Khukri | ? | Yes | although there is a need for this info in the article, as Rama has stated I think it can be drastically shortened, and doesn't need to take up 60% of the article. Khukri 12:11, 6 September 2006 (emphasis in original) |
| User:Eleland | No | Yes | Besides the grossly undue weight on this Jenin thing, the information there is very poorly verified and in some cases inaccurate. Furthermore, it ignores widely reported information in order to present Erakat as a manipulative liar. <eleland/talkedits> 21:35, 8 October 2007 |
| User:G-Dett | ? | Yes | Provide reliable sources about Erekat (not an article about Jenin that merely quotes Erekat) that present the Jenin episode as central to his life. Then we'll decide how much detail is appropriate 15:44, 20 October 2007 |
| User:Tewfik | ? | Yes | I tend to agree that there was far too much space given to what isn't documented as a major part of his life. TewfikTalk 01:06, 21 October |
| User:Ryan_Postlethwaite | No | Yes | Erakat looks to be commenting on total deaths over a larger period of time (1 March to 7 May 2002). This should probably be made clear in the article, rather than attempts to make Eraket out to be a liar. Ryan Postlethwaite 18:07, 29 November 2007 |
| User:Nickhh | ? | Yes | ... stuffed with any old adverse comment partisan editors can drag up from the web ... Some people are genuinely controversial, others get involved in minor issues and disputes from time to time which are pretty irrelevant as part of their overall biography. Nickhh 11:58, 4 December 2007 |
Seperate to the above, my table here suggests (by original research) that User:Jaakobou's conclusion is factually wrong as well - Erekat sometimes exaggerated but did not lie - whereas every Israeli spokesmen deviated from their own official figure by large margins. PRtalk 18:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
