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Contents 1 The variety of one-state solutions 2 Query on emotive words. 3 Since when does Wikipedia use bloggers?? 4 Population Exchange in the Peel Commission Report

[edit] The variety of one-state solutions

What about the one-state solutions which are not a binational State ?

"the unwillingness of Palestinians to live at peace with Jews today," is POV. Edited to a more neutral formulation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.140.12 (talk) 01:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think this article is quite muddled about this. It seems to me that roughly:

one-state-solution = binational-solution + Islamic-state + Greater-Israel-state + Palestine-secular-state

I'm not convinced the recent renaming of the article from Binational solution to One-state solution was necessarily the right thing to do. Some of the poll data given in the article seems to confuse these variants (eg see how Q3 of [1] is reported in article). What we need is a good source to crib to distinguish the various versions of one-state solution. Rwendland (talk) 15:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Query on emotive words.

I noticed that the words Islamist and Arabist are used early on; but then it talks about Israeli Jews, as opposed to Zionists. Lack of balance here ? If Islamist and Arabist are used (and they have strong political/extremist overtones), then shouldn't the word Zionist be used too? If this proposal is rejected, then perhaps it would be better to avoid Islamist and Arabist and substitute something less emotive (but I can't think of anything off hand). Just a few thoughts. Thanks. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Agree with MP here. MeteorMaker (talk) 16:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't exactly call these words "emotive", more like "pejorative." But yeah, these words do not belong in the article. ← Michael Safyan ^(talk) 23:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Since when does Wikipedia use bloggers??

Some guy from a blog called the Head Heeb criticizes the one-state solution, and it gets incorporated into the article?? is that guy an authority on this issue? To do this section, you should get the opinion of reputable people that actually put their name on what they write, until then im taking it off. I know this is Wikipedia...but cmon. 134.121.247.116 (talk) 05:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Population Exchange in the Peel Commission Report

None of the material about the Peel Commission report in this article is referenced, so it is not clear why the information on population exchange should be separately referenced. But I am happy to quote from the text of the actual Peel Commission Report.

"10. Exchange of Land and Population

If Partition is to be effective in promoting a final settlement it must mean more than drawing a frontier and establishing two States. Sooner or later there should be a transfer of land and, as far as possible, an exchange of population.

The Treaties should provide that, if Arab owners of land in the Jewish State or Jewish owners of land in the Arab State should wish to sell their land and any plantations or crops thereon, the Government of the State concerned should be responsible for the purchase of such land, plantations and crops at a price to be fixed, if requires, by the Mandatory Administration. For this purpose a loan should, if required, be guaranteed for a reasonable amount.

The political aspect of the land problem is still more important. Owing to the fact that there has been no census since 1931 it is impossible to calculate with any precision the distribution of population between the Arab and Jewish areas; but, according to an approximate estimate, in the area allocated to the Jewish State (excluding the urban districts to be retained for a period under Mandatory Administration) there are now about 225,000 Arabs. In the area allocated to the Arab State there are only about 1,250 Jews; but there are about 125,000 Jews as against 85,000 Arabs in Jerusalem and Haifa. The existence of these minorities clearly constitutes the most serious hindrance to the smooth and successful operation of Partition. If the settlement is to be clean and final, the question must be boldly faced and firmly dealt with. It calls for the highest statesmanship on the part of all concerned."#REDIRECT [[2]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tirpse77 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The issue is not the inclusion of this information, but rather the polemical way in which it was included. I will modify it so that the information is included in a way which does not violate WP:NPOV. If my edit is not to your liking, then we can discuss it further here. ← Michael Safyan ^(talk) 07:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree that my formulation was "polemical." It was simply a statement of the facts. However, your formulation is acceptable. It is not qualitatively different from mine, though it is more economical. I am not sure what the difference between "primarily" and "mostly" is. On reflection, "almost entirely" would be more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tirpse77 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a much more serious problem with the inclusion of the Peel Report - because it an aberration. It made nonsense of the Balfour Declaration, it flew in the face of everything that the British Government had previously said and was hastily over-ruled. It's inclusion gives the highly misleading impression that the partition of 1947 was the end result of a process. That could not be further from the truth. PR^talk 18:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not see a fundamental problem with including it as it was undoubtedly an important report even at the time, and came in context of and as a result of the 1936-39 Palestinian uprising. However, as long as the Peel report is included, it should be noted that the report foresaw population exchange, "involuntary" if necessary, as being fundamental to the fulfillment of partition. This provides the proper and complete context for understanding the reactions of people at the time to this report and why they might or might not have favored partition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tirpse77 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The current text indicates that a population exchange was involved. Furthermore, Peel Partition Plan of 1937 is wikilinked, which means that readers can find out the details of the proposed plan via the link (the word "population transfer" is very noticeably placed on that page). The problem with the previous phrasing, by the way, was that it suggested that the Jewish community supported the partition plan because of rather than despite the population transfer; it was the concept of partition which the Jewish community endorsed. Likewise, the population transfer was arguably the main objection of the Arabs to the plan. Thus the new phrasing places partition and populations transfer in such a way that it makes clear the motivations behind the response of the two national groups toward the plan. ← Michael Safyan ^(talk) 03:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)