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[edit] Clone Wars section

I can see why this section is necessary, but do we need to describe it in such miniscule detail? It doesn't seem necessary to include every single minute of the character's life. Also, it's written in an "in-universe" style, which I was under the impression was discouraged. Treybien 18:45 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vader vs Obi-Wan: Round 2

In his fight with Darth Vader, if Obi-Wan had continued fighting, would he have won?--suit-n-tie 07:04, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

It doesnt matter. Vader won and Kenobi lost, although I think Vader wuld've still won.-SSJ Gokan 03:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darth Maul

In the section regarding The Phantom Menace, it refers to Darth Maul as a Sith LORD. He was only an apprentice...which to me would make that statement incorrect. Someone want to confirm?

What does that have to do with Obi-Wan?--suit-n-tie 21:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] trivia

Should I remove the trivia? I'm going to soon nominate it for FA.--Team6and7 00:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

There is noooo way this is going to make an FA status....there is not a single in-line reference in this entier article. I doubt that it will even make GA status without any in-line refs. But yes, removing the trivia section or splitting it up into other sections would be a good step to making this more GA/FA worthy. Hbdragon88 03:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks --Team6and7 00:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

1.You want some triva i give it to u, Why did obi-wan stop trianning under his master jin? 2.What was the real reason that obi-wan gave up his life on the death star when he fough aginst lord vader? 3.Why did obi-wan like getting drunk so much? As seen in ep2 ans ep4. 4.Would palpatine converted obi-wan to the darkside had he had a change to dirctly speak to him? He almost fell with the death of his master and the palpatine felt it, thats why he tryed to convert him in ep2 with coont doku.[Added By user sirbizzy]

Sorry sirbizzy we don't need trivia in this article. I moved the old trivia into different sections because it ruines the article chances for Featured Article status and makes the article unprofessional.Also please place your comments at the bottom of the edit box. It made seem like I thanked you for the trivia I thanked Hbdragon88 also try to use better spelling.--Team6and7 21:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Re-Review and In-line citations

Note: This article has a small number of in-line citations for an article of its size and subject content. Currently it would not pass criteria 2b.
Members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles are in the process of doing a re-review of current Good Article listings to ensure compliance with the standards of the Good Article Criteria. (Discussion of the changes and re-review can be found here). A significant change to the GA criteria is the mandatory use of some sort of in-line citation (In accordance to WP:CITE) to be used in order for an article to pass the verification and reference criteria. It is recommended that the article's editors take a look at the inclusion of in-line citations as well as how the article stacks up against the rest of the Good Article criteria. GA reviewers will give you at least a week's time from the date of this notice to work on the in-line citations before doing a full re-review and deciding if the article still merits being considered a Good Article or would need to be de-listed. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us on the Good Article project talk page or you may contact me personally. On behalf of the Good Articles Project, I want to thank you for all the time and effort that you have put into working on this article and improving the overall quality of the Wikipedia project. Agne 04:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I put a few inline citations in but I don't know where some of the other references would go into the article. I don't think this is necessary personally it's hard to find out which book where some of the article came from when a lot of the references were put into the atrical a while ago. --Team6and7 21:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His street

I have requested citation for it, seeing as the photo really isn't enough to prove anything. It's interesting if it's true, and I think it should be included. Goyston (talk) (contribs) 17:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler?

I know everybody and his dog already knows that Anakin (Darth) is Luke's father, but it is a twist of the story's plot, so should it be included in the introductory section of the article, i.e., before the spoiler warning? Applejuicefool 15:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Obi Wan's Cultural Influence

There was a mention of a Polish street named after Obi-Wan - well and good, but it was in the "Personality" section. I created a new section at the end of the article named "Obi Wan's Cultural Influence" (Will edit to Obi-Wan's Cultural Influence after I save this) and stuck the street reference and picture there. I imagine there are other cultural references to Obi-Wan that could go in this section. Applejuicefool 15:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small edit

Just mentioning I made a small edit, changing a line that said something about him being promoted to Jedi Master before the Clone Wars to make it say he was promoted DURING the Clone Wars. As far as I understand, he wasn't made a Jedi Master until at least half way through the war or so; after the battle of Muunilist, I think it was. - Indy Gold 20:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Review

This article is currently under Good Article Review. LuciferMorgan 23:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Result of the GAR

[edit] Obi-Wan Kenobi

result:Delist 3-0

Hardly any sources. Chaldean 03:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Just because the sources aren't in-line, doesn't mean they are not there. Cbrown1023 17:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • OMG. That's way too many navboxes...but...anyway, a list of refs at the bottom is no longer enough, and GAs now require in-line citations (I don't think they did back when this was promoted, though). Hbdragon88 23:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Further comments. The list of Expanded Universe appearances needs to be cut down; it's written in an entirely in-universe perspective. It should ideally be put in prose and paragraph form. Two images aren't sourced and they don't have fair use rationales. I also think that this article could use less images - you only need one cartoon image, he doesn't change that much from Ep. II to Ep. III, and the one with Luke and Kneobi seems just kind of randomly there instead of illustrating his appearance. Hbdragon88 23:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Is this a 2 to 1 or 2 to 0, I can't tell if Cbrown thinks this article should be a GA or not :/. Homestarmy 14:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
    • In-line citations have been required for awhile now, so I think we can count out Cbrown's vote. Hbdragon88 23:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Just to clarify: The inline citation criteria was recently reformulated (due to massive complaints) and inline citations are no longer mandatory, but they are "highly desirable" and they are required for anything that is "disputed or likely to be disputed". You can see the criterias on WP:WIAGA.
      • Regarding fictional characters, the sources are generally primary sources in the form of movies, books or magazines. I don't think there is any guideline on fictional characters yet (cmp Wikipedia:Scientific citation guidelines). Homestarmy recently commented that movie plots are difficult to inline reference, so because there is yet no guideline on this, I don't think we should be overly zealous... For example, the section Attack of the clones starts with "Ten years later, in Attack of the Clones, Kenobi has become an experienced Jedi Knight. [..]" It is clear what the reference of this section is! I don't think it warrants an inline citation. I would say pass GA for this article because I think the article is very interesting and well written, but there is still issues that have to be attended to, including the fair use images. / Fred-Chess 16:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • delist no where near enough refs and too listy.Rlevse 03:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • DelistSumoeagle179 12:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delist M3tal H3ad 07:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:ObiwanESB.JPG

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Obi-WanKenobi.jpg

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[edit] Pictures

Same picture is used twice? The main pic should be Sir Alec Guinness. - superβεεcat  22:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

That would be Image:Obi-WanKenobi.jpg, which was deleted because it didn't have a Fair Use rationale. I'd be happy to restore the image if someone were to write one. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is interesting

It also derails complaints that there are no Asians among the cast of Star Wars. I have heard those several times.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Spirits.jpg

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[edit] What is the story behind Kenobi wearing the Clone uniform in the Clone Wars?

What is Kenobi's reasons for wearing the armour in the Clone Wars? He seems to be the only Jedi who wore the uniform. And who gave him the uniform? Was it a personal choice , or a council mandate?--Redblossom (talk) 14:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation please

Can someone put an IPA template for it? Thanks. 83.67.217.254 (talk) 07:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Obiwan.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Obiwan1.jpg

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[edit] In Universe

This article still has a touch of the 'in-universe' syndrome. I've switch the movies so they are in release order, which will help fix that. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Memory

The article claims that Luke remembers Obi Wan's "Use the force" when attacking the death star. I always thought that this was Obi Wan speaking to Luke through the force (having become one with the force earlier in the movie). I have found nothing to back up either point of view - I was wondering if anyone could confirm this either way... —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Young Ones (talk • contribs) 14:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


I was about to fix this - but it appears to have been sorted. Cheers! The Young Ones (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Original/Prequel Triology Order?

Does it make sense to have the description of Obi-Wan in the original trilogy before the description of him in the prequel trilogy? Since he is a character, as opposed to a movie, I think it would make more sense to put it in chronological order rather than release order. What do you think? Jaimeastorga2000 (talk) 04:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images of the other Obi-Wan

Why no images of Sir Alec Guinness in character? Conrad T. Pino (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)