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Documentation - Discussion

[edit] Documentation

[edit] Purpose

This is a template to be used for NCAA football schools (such as Oklahoma Sooners football).

[edit] Usage

[edit] Required fields

{{NCAAFootballSchool
| TeamName          = (Name of the team, e.g. Oklahoma Sooners football)
| HeadCoachDisplay  = (Display name of the head coach, e.g. Dan Hawkins)
| HeadCoachYear     = (Number of years head coach at school, e.g. 1st/2nd/3rd)
| HCWins            = (Number of wins by head coach at this school)
| HCLosses          = (Number of losses by head coach at this school)          
| Stadium           = (Name of the stadium)
| ConferenceDisplay = (Display name of the conference, e.g. Big 12)
| ConferenceLink    = (Link to conference, e.g. Big 12 Conference)
| ATWins            = (All-time wins by the school)
| ATLosses          = (All-time losses by the school)
| ATTies            = (All-time ties by the school)
| BowlWins          = (Number of bowl games won by school)
| BowlLosses        = (Number of bowl games lost by school)
| Color1            = (Name of the first school color)
| Color1Hex         = (Hex value of the first school color)
}}

[edit] Optional fields

{{NCAAFootballSchool
| Image            = (Link to an image of the team logo)
| ImageSize        = (Size of image if different than 150px)
| CurrentSeason    = (Link to the Current Seasons page, e.g. 2007 TCU Horned Frogs football team)
| HeadCoachLink    = (Link to head coach, e.g. Dan Hawkins (coach) )
| HCTies           = (Number of ties by head coach at this school)
| StadCapacity     = (Capacity of the stadium)
| StadSurface      = (Playing surface of the stadium, e.g. Grass)
| ConfDivision     = (Division in conference, e.g. South/North)
| FirstYear        = (First year football was played at the school)
| AthlDirectorDisp = (Display name of Athletic Director)
| AthlDirectorLink = (Link to Athletic Director)
| WebsiteName      = (Name of website)
| WebsiteURL       = (URL of website)
| ATPercentage     = (All time winning percentage, e.g. .765)
| BowlTies         = (Number of ties bowl games)
| NatlTitles       = (Number of national titles)
| ConfTitles       = (Number of conference titles)
| Heismans         = (Number of Heisman Trophy winners)
| AllAmericans     = (Number of All Americans)
| Color2           = (Name of the second school color)
| Color2Hex        = (Hex value of the second school color)
| FightSong        = (Name of fight song)
| MascotDisplay    = (Display name of mascot, e.g. Bevo)
| MascotLink       = (Link to mascot, e.g. Bevo (mascot) )
| MarchingBand     = (Name of marching band)
| PagFreeLabel     = (A free field in the pageantry section; label is the name of the field)
| PagFreeValue     = (A free field in the pageantry section; value is the actual object)
}}

[edit] Empty

{{NCAAFootballSchool
| TeamName         = 
| Image            = 
| ImageSize        = 
| CurrentSeason    =
| HeadCoachDisplay = 
| HeadCoachLink    = 
| HeadCoachYear    = 
| HCWins           = 
| HCLosses         = 
| HCTies           = 
| Stadium          = 
| StadCapacity     = 
| StadSurface      = 
| ConferenceDisplay= 
| ConferenceLink   = 
| ConfDivision     = 
| FirstYear        =
| AthlDirectorDisp = 
| AthlDirectorLink = 
| WebsiteName      = 
| WebsiteURL       = 
| ATWins           = 
| ATLosses         = 
| ATTies           = 
| ATPercentage     = 
| BowlWins         = 
| BowlLosses       = 
| BowlTies         = 
| NatlTitles       = 
| ConfTitles       = 
| Heismans         = 
| AllAmericans     = 
| Color1           = 
| Color1Hex        = 
| Color2           = 
| Color2Hex        = 
| FightSong        = 
| MascotDisplay    = 
| MascotLink       = 
| MarchingBand     = 
| PagFreeLabel     =
| PagFreeValue     =
}}

[edit] Example

Oklahoma Sooners football
2006 Oklahoma Sooners football team
First season 1895
Staff
Athletic director Joe Castiglione
Head coach Bob Stoops
8th year, 86–18–0
Stadium
Home stadium Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium
Stadium capacity 82,112
Stadium surface Grass
Location {{{Location}}}
League/Conference
Conference Big 12
Division South
Team records
All-time record 754–292–53 (.691)
Postseason bowl record 24–14–1
Awards
National titles 7
Conference titles 40
Heisman winners 4
All-Americans 161
Pageantry
Colors Crimson and Cream            
Fight song Boomer Sooner
Mascot Sooner Schooner
Marching band The Pride of Oklahoma Marching Band
2nd Mascot Boomer and Sooner
Website SoonerSports.com
{{NCAAFootballSchool
| TeamName         = Oklahoma Sooners football
| Image            = OU-Logo.PNG
| ImageSize        = 145px
| CurrentSeason    = 2006 Oklahoma Sooners football team
| HeadCoachDisplay = Bob Stoops
| HeadCoachLink    = Bob Stoops
| HeadCoachYear    = 8th
| HCWins           = 86
| HCLosses         = 18
| HCTies           = 0
| Stadium          = Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium
| StadCapacity     = 82,112
| StadSurface      = Grass
| ConferenceDisplay= Big 12
| ConferenceLink   = Big 12 Conference
| ConfDivision     = South
| FirstYear        = 1895
| AthlDirectorDisp = Joe Castiglione
| AthlDirectorLink = Joe Castiglione (athletic director)
| WebsiteName      = SoonerSports.com
| WebsiteURL       = http://soonersports.com
| ATWins           = 754
| ATLosses         = 292
| ATTies           = 53
| ATPercentage     = .691
| BowlWins         = 24
| BowlLosses       = 14
| BowlTies         = 1
| NatlTitles       = 7
| ConfTitles       = 40
| Heismans         = 4
| AllAmericans     = 161
| Color1           = Crimson
| Color1Hex        = 990000
| Color2           = Cream
| Color2Hex        = FFFFCC
| FightSong        = Boomer Sooner
| MascotDisplay    = Sooner Schooner
| MascotLink       = Sooner Schooner
| MarchingBand     = The Pride of Oklahoma Marching Band
| PagFreeLabel     = 2nd Mascot
| PagFreeValue     = [[Boomer and Sooner (mascots)|Boomer and Sooner]]
}}

[edit] History

Created 
NMajdantalk 21:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Removed table tags (<tr><td>) from template; added First Year of Football and Free Label 
NMajdantalk 15:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Increased size of school name header; changed "Bowl record" to "Postseason Bowl record" 
NMajdantalk 19:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Natl Titles, All Americans, and Heismans only appear if a value is entered. 
NMajdantalk 15:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Contents

[edit] New template

This is what I came up with on my first attempt. I hope it satisfies most of the requests. Still working on an issue with the color boxes. Let me know what you think.--NMajdantalk 21:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No I haven't. Looks good. Some suggestions: Center the Italicized headers? Or push them out a little more? Also, maybe add a Conference Record under Team Records? Perhaps Conference Titles shouldn't just be a number, since then you could specify what conference(s) it was? ie, 2 Big 12, 5 Big 8, etc? Also, maybe a field for starting year of football? Or number of years (less useful). But really, it does look good. I've see the same color problem on other templates too. --MECUtalk 22:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments Mecu. I moved the italicized headers over a little more. I can still move it more or just center it. I think conference titles should be a number because win I visit more athletic sites, thats how they list it. But technically, anything can go there. Its not like that field invalidates any number or has some isnumber() function attached to it. I will add the starting year for football as well. Also, I moved your comment to the template talk page as well so we can switch this conversation to the proper place.--NMajdantalk 22:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I like the over-all look and there are only a few things I would add/change. First, I'd have Capacity and Surface be sub-headings under stadium if they are used with each on it's own line. Second, the all-time win percentage doesn't show up even though it's filled in on your example. Third, the fight song probably needs a link field like the coach and mascot have (could probably also use a second or alternative mascot field for teams with two, like the Sooners or Texas). Fourth, the image at the top does not appear to be centered, but that may also be my screen or the fact that the image is an odd number of pixels wide. Otherwise, great job on this and I can't wait until it's ready to go. z4ns4tsu\talk 22:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I fixed the percentage issue and the fight song link. Still debating whether we should give capacity and field type its own heading. I kinda like the way it is, which is the same as it was on the Penn State infobox. I may add some 'Free' labels and values tomorrow so anybody can add some additional information as they see fit whether it be an additional mascot, fight song, etc.--NMajdantalk 22:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Ah, this is wonderful. However, maybe we should have the title that links to the athletic department's page (i.e. Michigan Wolverines)? However, for the most part, this is great - I have no complaints, though some Universities have more than one mascot or fight song - I see however, that this is being adressed. --NomaderTalk 02:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Looks good so far. I would make the following changes- First off, we need a field for offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. We also need a field for rivals and perhaps rivalry games (can be combined to one field?). Should "City" be in the infobox? How are we dealing with co-conference champs? There should be something like Conference Titles = 5 (3 shared) or something like that. "All-Americans" is a tricky subject. Only consensus all-americans? First team all-americans? Are we including second team? Third team? Freshmen? Honorable mention? According to what organizations? There are dozens of organizations that release their own AA lists and some go all the way to third team. We need to decide if we are only going with AP All-Americans or what. If someone gets AA honors 4 years does that only count towards one on that list or does it count 4 times? The way "All-Americans" is worded I would say only counted once, if it said "All-American Titles" then I would agree to count them 4 times. Same can be said for "Heisman winners" vs. "Heisman trophies". I have seen several infoboxes include "BCS Record" underneath Bowl Record as well, not sure if we want to include that. Should other awards be included in the "Awards" section? How about Maxwell, Bednarick, Groza, etc.? Those are my preliminary thoughts, I'll probably have more to add later. VegaDark 00:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I fear that to include all of your suggestions would make the infobox incredibly long (for an infobox) and complex. We need to get more feedback from other people. For instance, I think just the head coach is enough on this infobox since the OC and DC are on the yearly team infobox. I'm also not a fan of having rivalries in an infobox. If that needs to be a section fine, but what are other people's feeling on this? Adding rival teams in one thing but I'm definitely against adding rivalry games as I feel this would be too long. However, I will add a "free" field where it can be made anything. So it could be a rivalry field, or an additional mascot/fight song field. You raise a good point on All American. I guess we should only include Consensus as it would be the easiest to get compared to getting all First Team, Second Team, etc. I chose not to include BCS because its only been around for several years and there's no telling how long is will exist. I felt the proper ground was covered by the National Title field and the Bowl Games field. Also, including every single award on this infobox will, once again, I feel make it too long. As you can tell, my personal preference is to only have vital information to a program in an infobox and any other information should be in the article itself.--NMajdantalk 15:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the best idea would be to simply list the number of school-recognized All-Americans. Schools aren't going to list people who were chosen for the Bob's Groceries AA list on their list of All-Americans. Consensus AA seems a bit too limiting, and I know not all schools even list who were considered consensus AA vs. non-consensus. VegaDark 01:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
One other note- The "Colorhex" fields don't seem to be working, as they aren't showing up. VegaDark 05:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, for some reason on the example above the hex codes are not working. However, I went ahead and inserted the template on the Oklahoma Sooners football page and the color boxes came out fine.--NMajdantalk 16:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ready for primetime?

So is this template ready to be inserted into the appropriate articles? Any other changes? I've already put it on the Oklahoma Sooners football and the UCF Golden Knights football articles so you can see it in a live environment there if you wish.--NMajdantalk 16:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it is good except for one final thing: There used to be non-postseason bowls so "Bowl record" could or could not include that. I think it should be "Postseason Bowl Record". See Mirage Bowl for where I am coming from. Other than that I think It's good to go. VegaDark 19:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Done.--NMajdantalk 19:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Go here to see what pages the infobox has been placed on.--NMajdantalk 16:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Division

Is there any reason why the division (DI, DII, etc.) is not included in this template and required? --ElKevbo 02:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Anyone? --ElKevbo 00:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Can't think of one but you can get the division by clicking on the conference. But I see not reason why it couldn't be added.↔NMajdantalk 12:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Can't disagree with that at all. If you want to insert it I'd recommend one of two "places". Either right by the conference or somehow worked in between the team name / current season section and the "head coach". I'll be happy to explain why i think that if you want. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  12:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wire National Titles

I think we should rephrase this as "wire" is usually reserved for the newswire polls (Associated Press, USAToday's Coaches, or perhaps the old New York Times rankings). The problem I see is that many schools claim championships that are not always from a newswire. For instance, Alabama claims 13 championships but was only voted #1 by the AP 6 times and only 5 times by the Coaches - the others are a variety of smaller polls or retrodictive computer rankings. Richard Billingsley's College Football Research Center (now part of the BCS) only recognizes Alabama as concensus champion 5 times, meanwhile a school like Auburn only claims 1 title despite being Billingsley's concensus champion 3 times.[1] And this argument isnt specific to Alabama/Auburn - I just picked them as they are rivals and represent the two extremes of my argument. Many schools claim more titles than are generally 'recognized' (USC, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc all have 'disputed' titles). Perhaps the infobox should just read "Claimed National Titles" or something of that nature to denote we are only showing the number of titles the school chooses to recognize/claim. If I do not see any objections I will make this change in the next week - just revert if you don't like but please respond here as to why. --otduff t/c 02:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't even begin to remember how many times this has come up. You might want to check the archives of the college football WikiProject's talk page. I do know that each time it has been discussed there is a huge row. z4ns4tsu\talk 19:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Well I just looked at the talk page and see no mention of this infobox and no discussion of use of the term 'claimed national title' versus 'wire national title'. Is there something I am missing here? --otduff t/c 06:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind, after looking through the archives I saw some discussion from Dec 2006. I don't really see where they reached a concensus to use 'wire' but I will just change the pages I see to only reflect AP or UPI polls from all infoboxes and will point people here so they can read the archive if they disagree. There is also limited discussion here but not specific to the infobox. --otduff t/c 07:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Width

This template is a bit wider than most infoboxes on Wikipedia, would there be any objection to shrinking it a bit? From say 30em to 25em? I realize it will cause some text wrapping for longer entries, but that is already the case even at 30em for some schools and data. You can see a preview of the narrower infobox for Auburn and Oklahoma at User:Autiger/Sandbox. Thanks. AUTiger » talk 15:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's been several days and no comments so I'm shrinking the width a bit. If it causes major problems someplace, it can go back. AUTiger » talk 04:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo for current season

This template pulls from the {{current sport-related}} template. It looks odd seeing a soccer ball there. Oh well, that's a general template and soccer/football is common worldwide sport. -Fnlayson (talk) 06:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Independent teams

Is it possible that the conference fields could be optional? Simply putting 'Independent' in there causes the template to link to a dab page, which is sub-optimal. Thanks. --AndrewHowse (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you please give an example? It appears to be working fine on Notre Dame Fighting Irish football. You can set the template to link to whatever article you want. You can have it say Independent but then link to Superman if you wanted.↔NMajdantalk 19:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Linking to NCAA Division I-A independent schools will help, thanks. UW-Milwaukee Panther Football was just linked to the dab page Independent. Cheers. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not a current event

Can someone more familiar with this template or template syntax in general please remove the current event icon/text? The sport is not in season nor close to beginning again so it's not a current event, IMHO. --ElKevbo (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Given the lack of discussion in the week+ since I posted this question, I went ahead and removed the icon myself. --ElKevbo (talk) 22:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)