Talk:National Liberation Army (Albanians of Macedonia)
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[edit] Operated, not operates
Ushtria Çlirimtare Kombëtare no longer exists. I sincerely do not believe that anyone with a deep knowledge of the Albanian-Macedonian issues thinks that Ushtria Çlirimtare Kombëtare exists today. If you think that it does exist, then please explain why you think that is the case and most importantly provide proof to back your arguments.
If we all agree that Ushtria Çlirimtare Kombëtare no longer exists, we could then slightly modify the article to say that it operated, not operates in Macedonia. In other world, move from the present tense to the past tense.
I look forward to hearing your views. -- Kosovar 16:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
I was mystified by that as well........but on a second thought I think it may have been written a while ago.--Ferick 02:54, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Civilian death
We need exact info and details, same for soldiers on both sides. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.107.220.167 (talk • contribs) .
- See the Casulties and displacement in the 2001 Macedonia conflict section I authored yesterday. El_C 07:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NLA is a terrorist organisation
The NLA is recognized as a terrorist organization by the U.S. government, the CIA and MIPT, therefore it is not my POV but that of other third-party governments or government funded organizations. Frightner 19:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Present sources please? Mr. Neutron 19:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- I already redirected you to a source, but for the sake of proving you wrong... again. Here. Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism is a organization funded by the Department of Homeland Security, just so you don't jump to a conclusion of the source being "nationalistic". Frightner 19:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- The sources talks about "Albanian National Army" not about "National liberation Army". Get a proper source. Mr. Neutron 20:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- "The group, which grew out of insurgent Albanian groups that battled Macedonian troops in 2001..." They are obviously remnants of the NLA, what's the difference? Frightner 20:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Present sources please? Mr. Neutron 19:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The group was linked with the Kosovo Liberation Army, another group recognized as a terror organization. [1] Both group are identified as UCK in Albanian. Their logos is practically the same. They both operated in Macedonia. They both fought for a Greater Albania ideology. What more do you want? Frightner 20:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- I still dont see a link to describe NLA as "terrorist". Mr. Neutron 20:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Mr. Neutron has a point. The NLA and KLA were obviously closely related, but we can't just extend the description of the KLA to cover the NLA as well. I don't doubt your assertion that it was designated as a terrorist organisation; however, we do need to have a source for this statement. Where did you get the info from in the first place? Could you provide your source for us to have a look at? -- ChrisO 22:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- It has been in the 2001 Macedonia conflict article for a while now; "In 2001, the U.S. recognized the NLA as a terrorist organization" and has not been disputed by any ethnic Albanian contributors to the article. Frightner 05:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- A NATO spokesman, George Robertson called them "murderous thugs" and "terrorists" that had be legitimized as "freedom fighters"[2]. "In a strange twist the CIA, NATO, and British Special Forces provided weapons and training to the NLA/KLA terrorists, while at the same time, Germany provided Macedonia's security forces with all-terrain vehicles, advanced weapons, and equipment to protect themselves from NLA/KLA attacks." "Washington's humanitarian efforts for the NLA/KLA suggested its intent to protect the terrorists rather then disarm them." "The KLA-NLA terrorists are funded by US military aid, the United Nations peace-keeping budget, as well as by several Islamic organisations including Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda." "A major war, supposedly "against international terrorism", has been launched by the Bush Administration. In Macedonia, however, the evidence amply confirms that the Bush Administration (together with NATO) is directly supporting terrorist organisations which have links to Al Qaeda." [3] Frightner 05:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's a fringe website - I don't think it qualifies as a reliable source. I'll see if I can find an alternative source for the assertion. -- ChrisO 07:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Which website? Because the first one quotes the NATO representative so technically it's not POV. The second one may be dismissed as I'm not clear on the journalists ethnicity. Frightner 13:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- He probably means antiwar.com. Maybe get a government or encyclopedia source? Mr. Neutron 14:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- George Robinson is basically a government source, he is a NATO representative. Let me say that again, NATO representative. Frightner 09:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- He probably means antiwar.com. Maybe get a government or encyclopedia source? Mr. Neutron 14:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Which website? Because the first one quotes the NATO representative so technically it's not POV. The second one may be dismissed as I'm not clear on the journalists ethnicity. Frightner 13:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's a fringe website - I don't think it qualifies as a reliable source. I'll see if I can find an alternative source for the assertion. -- ChrisO 07:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- A NATO spokesman, George Robertson called them "murderous thugs" and "terrorists" that had be legitimized as "freedom fighters"[2]. "In a strange twist the CIA, NATO, and British Special Forces provided weapons and training to the NLA/KLA terrorists, while at the same time, Germany provided Macedonia's security forces with all-terrain vehicles, advanced weapons, and equipment to protect themselves from NLA/KLA attacks." "Washington's humanitarian efforts for the NLA/KLA suggested its intent to protect the terrorists rather then disarm them." "The KLA-NLA terrorists are funded by US military aid, the United Nations peace-keeping budget, as well as by several Islamic organisations including Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda." "A major war, supposedly "against international terrorism", has been launched by the Bush Administration. In Macedonia, however, the evidence amply confirms that the Bush Administration (together with NATO) is directly supporting terrorist organisations which have links to Al Qaeda." [3] Frightner 05:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- It has been in the 2001 Macedonia conflict article for a while now; "In 2001, the U.S. recognized the NLA as a terrorist organization" and has not been disputed by any ethnic Albanian contributors to the article. Frightner 05:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Mr. Neutron has a point. The NLA and KLA were obviously closely related, but we can't just extend the description of the KLA to cover the NLA as well. I don't doubt your assertion that it was designated as a terrorist organisation; however, we do need to have a source for this statement. Where did you get the info from in the first place? Could you provide your source for us to have a look at? -- ChrisO 22:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
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