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Muizz-ud-din Muhammad bin Sam, commonly known as Shahab-ud-din Muhammad Ghuri is one of the key persons who played a significant role in the establishment of Muslim rule in North India. An ambitious person, Muhammad Ghuri wanted to extend his rule towards South Asia. He took the small state of Ghazni from his brother Ghiyas-ud-din Muhammad bin Sam and turned it into an empire by conquering vast territories. First he captured the area ruled by the Ghaznavids and later on extended his rule to North India and Bengal. He was an able general and a brave soldier. He never let a temporary defeat stand in his way.

After his defeat in the first battle of Tarain in 1191 at the hands of Prithvi Raj Chauhan, ruler of Delhi and Ajmer, he spent a complete year preparing for war. He came back in 1192 and defeated Raj Chauhan in the second battle of Tarain. He was the first Muslim ruler to conquer Delhi and establish a Muslim rule in India.

Muhammad Ghuri was a loyal brother. He refrained from declaring his independence in South Asia, knowing that it would result in civil war between the two brothers. Till the death of Ghiyas-ud-din Muhammad bin Sam in 1202, Ghuri never considered himself anything but a general in his brother's army. After every victory he would send the best of the looted items to his elder brother in Firuz Koh. Ghiyas-ud-din reciprocated by never interfering in the affairs of his younger brother. Thus they were each able to concentrate on their own responsibilities. As a result, Muhammad Ghuri managed to push permanent Muslim rule much further east than Mahmud Ghaznavi did.

Muhammad Ghuri had no heirs and thus he treated his slaves as his sons. It is said that he trained thousands of Turkish slaves in the art of warfare and administration. Most of his slaves were given excellent education. During his reign many hardworking and intelligent slaves rose to positions of excellence. Once a courtier regretted that Sultan has no male heirs. Ghuri immediately replied, "Other monarchs may have one son, or two sons; I have thousands of sons. Namely my Turkish slaves who will be the heirs of my dominions, and who, after me, will take care to preserve my name in the Khutbah throughout these territories". Ghuri's prediction proved true when he was succeeded by a dynasty of Turkish Slaves.

Though Ghuri's main aim was the expansion of his empire, he also took an interest in the patronization of education and learning. Illustrious Muslim philosopher Fakh-ud-din Razi and the well know poet Nizami Aruzi were few of the big names of his era.

In 1206, Ghuri had to travel to Lahore to crush a revolt. On his way back to Ghazni, his caravan halted at Damik near Jehlum. He was killed while offering his evening prayers. Many think that the murderer was an Ismaili. However, some historians believe that the murderer belonged to the warrior Ghakkar tribe that resided in the area. He was buried where he fell and his tomb has recently been renovated. Muhammad Ghuri is remembered as an empire builder and is justly called the founder of the Muslim Empire in Indo-Pakistan. 07/12/2007 zmufti Pakistan 18:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Islamophobic content

I have removed the Islamophobic content posted by user "Kefalonia" using extremist Hindutva websites as source! I have posted the material found in MSN Encarta and Britannica Encyclopaedia. How do I report this creep? And how do we stop this vandal at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.32.80.19 (talk • contribs) on 14.02.2006

There is not even an indirect mention of Islam in any of the content you reverted. This article is about a military leader, not a religious figure. I can't see user "Kefalonia" in the recent edit history. Calling anyone "brave" is certainly an unencyclopedic POV. Please point out which lines reflect an "extremist Hindutva" viewpoint or Islamophobia, failing which I'll revert your changes in 24 hours. deeptrivia (talk) 11:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Request to 212.32.80.19 - to begin with you may take a user name of your choice, and contribute. This depends on your wish though ... --Bhadani 16:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Siddiqui vandalism?

Siddiqui (talk · contribs) please don't deleted or blank text and references without giving reasons in the edit summary or talk page. [1] --Kefalonia 11:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do not write history

Please do not re-write history and geography from the perspective a particular country. We are working on a wider perspective. --Bhadani 17:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sharing few words

Please do not take this as an adverse comment about the contents of this page or on the contributors to the page. I am just reproducing few words of William Ralp Inge, who had said: “Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happnned and those which do not matter. This is what makes the trade of historian so attractive.” IMHO, these words also apply to current events, continuing events and events of recent past. To that extent, the task of building the sum total of human knowledge becomes more difficult and challenging. --Bhadani 16:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


The details of prithviraj described in thi story dosen't seem to be true

[edit] Missile name as Ghauri

In an article by Raj Chengappa, presently managing editor of India Today I had read an interesting detail about naming of the missile as Ghauri.

India had developed a surface-to-surface missile named it as prithvi (Another name for earth). This missile was a part of other missiles which had name based on elements.

Pakistan developed (this is controversial) a missile in retaliation of Prithvi missile and considering Prithvi as a name related to Prithviraj Chauhan, gave the name to its missile as Ghauri --- the missile superior to Prithvi (Muhammad Ghauri had defeated Prithviraj).

[edit] needs a redirection from Muhammad of Ghur

can anyone make a redirection from Muhammad of Ghur? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kerori (talk • contribs) 03:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] the 'revenge' of prithviraj chauhan

it's unproved. i intend to delete it after two weeks.Amitshah111 16:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Reliable references are needed in order to claim that Prithviraj was blinded to ridicule him, and that he killed Muhammad of ghor in an archerey competition. Also a citation is needed in order to claim that 20,0000 Hindus were killed and another 20,000 were made slaves. IP198 00:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is a POV nightmare. --Nemonoman 23:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Please edit this article

I've taken about 3 courses in South Asian history and I've read countless books on the same subject. Not one of them describe the Delhi Sultanate as "peaceful, benevolent, or just" as has been stated in previous articles. Who is responsible for this article's upkeep? Are you asleep? I cited the John Keay article to prove the Delhi Sultante was not a peaceful one, someone has deleted my footnote and called it "just/peaceful." This is by far the most shameful of all wikipedia articles.

[edit] Denial of Historical fact

One must make the distinction between Islamophobia and "IslamoDenial." The Islamic invasions of the then Indian lands (now Pakistan, Bangladesh etc) were clearly acts of aggression by a religiously & culturally ALIEN entity. In other words Islam was never part of the Indo-Aryan-European history of the sub-continent. This article skirts the greater value of this theme throughout the various aggressive conquests of the subcontinent. Second, on IslamoDenialist, those that deny these events (enslavement, forced converstion, and other war crimes) just can not accept that those proclaiming thier faith commited these gross attrocites. Elsewhere they are called halocaust deniers. It is the duty of the real historical demokrats to shout down these deniers with fact. Our collective silence will serve only to allow the IslamoDenialists to brand anyone who gets in thier way of white washing the blood on thier hands by branding all dissenters as Islamophobists.

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 18:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Entirely Vandalized Page

PLEASE CITE REFERENCES TO ALL CLAIMS. This page is one of the most vandalized pages there is on Wikipedia. Please cite references to the quote cited in the article as well as the use of the story by Hindu fundamentalists. It seems as though this article is an India vs Pakistan article. PLEASE refrain from "YOUR" version of history and only cite facts with references or else do not edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viskash (talk • contribs) 00:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please cite sources, in English if possible. Wikipedia:Verifiability - Non-English sources says, "Because this is the English Wikipedia, for the convenience of our readers, English-language sources should be used in preference to foreign-language sources, assuming the availability of an English-language source of equal quality, so that readers can easily verify that the source material has been used correctly." and provides detailed instructions about foriegn language material. In addition, Wikipedia provides a guide as to what information will help readers and other editors find the information. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. If you don't understand what information is needed, please ask.

[edit] Ethnicity

I removed statements about ethnicity from the lead in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. If someone wishes to discuss ethnicity in the body of the article, please provide citations to reliable sources. Wikipedia policy says: "Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." Here, ethnicity is not important to the article, and obviously is a problem for some editors. --Bejnar (talk) 16:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Sources were added:
- Encyclopaedia Iranica, "Ghurids", C.E. Bosworth, (LINK):
  • "... The Ghurids came from the Šansabānī family. The name of the eponym Šansabānasb probably derives from the Middle Persian name Wišnasp (Justi, Namenbuch, p. 282). [...] Nor do we know anything about the ethnic stock of the Ghori's in general and the Sansabanis in particular; we can only assume that they were eastern Iranian Tajiks ... The sultans were generous patrons of the Persian literary traditions of Khorasan, and latterly fulfilled a valuable role as transmitters of this heritage to the newly conquered lands of northern India, laying the foundations for the essentially Persian culture which was to prevail in Muslim India until the 19th century. ..."
Please note that "we can only assume that they were eastern Iranian Tajiks" in the source does not merit "was a Persian(Tajik) ruler" in the Wikipedia article.--Bejnar (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Encyclopaedia of Islam, "Ghurids", C.E. Bosworth, Online Edition, 2006:
  • "... The Shansabānīs were, like the rest of the Ghūrīs, of eastern Iranian Tājik stock. ..."</ref>
  • Tajik does not have to appear twice in the lead, especially when it is a conclusion, not otherwise known, and when it is unimportant to the article. --Bejnar (talk) 05:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

I have uploaded an image of Chunky Pandey in his role as Mohammed Ghori in the movie Prithviraj Chauhan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RSCAMWSA (talk • contribs) 21:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad of Ghor was actually killed in an uprising of Ghakkar tribe in the potohar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.144.228.194 (talk) 19:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)