Talk:Mariah Carey singles discography

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This should be moved to Mariah Carey discography. Teklund 3 July 2005 18:39 (UTC)

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[edit] Vandalism

STOP expanding the Singles Overview. It's an overview, not an extensive chart. If you feel the need to elaborate, do it in the Detailed Singles & Tracks section.--The Knowledge (talk) 00:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Compromise

After someone oversimplified Mariah Carey's singles chronology, I took into consideration that there was in fact some need of a quick and simple overview of her WW success. I went ahead and kept the detailed chronolgy, but made a quick-glance SINGLES ONLY WW list. All featured appearences, promos, and album tracks are not present.--The Knowledge (talk) 09:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Destroyed

Someone COMPLETELY destroyed the detailed chronology that I worked on. Whoever oversimplified Mariah Carey's singles obviously has no understanding of its significance. I'm reverting it back.--The Knowledge (talk) 00:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


If the singles were not released, why are so many of them included in her singles discography. Its like someone is listing the entire tracklist of her albums.

Journalist C./ Holla @ me!

Yeah, i agree. There are too many. An anon made the articles for "stay the night" and "mine again", and i don't think either really needs to be included in this list. --Musicpvm 11:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Where I see agreement, there I act. (Actually I often act where I don't see agreement, but let's not get into that.) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:57, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'll also remove "Irresistible" and "You Got Me". Neither songs were singles, and both articles were created by anons and need major cleaning up. The anon actually replaced a disambiguation page with the "Irresistable" article, so I'll revert that back. --Musicpvm 20:45, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I've just linked Teklund's message (at the top), and seen that there is a relevant article; isn't he right?
Well, I've researched some of the songs myself, and though some of these newly added singles are promos only ('Irresistible' & 'You Got Me'), they are singles nonetheless. However, I do agree that, for the time being, songs that are 'technically' singles (not including 'Stay the Night'/'Mine Again', but songs such as 'Till The End of Time' and 'Miss You') should remain on list, except without links to articles. A while back, I did the same thing for four songs ('Bliss', 'After Tonight', 'Want You', & 'X-Girlfriend'), which were all promo-only singles, and listed them without links (until someone removed them). I suggest this should be done for the time being until appropriate, Wikipedia-standard articles can be provided. BTW, I'm in process of tidiying some of the newly added 'singles' so please don't delete them until its official that they are not singles or nothing could be done to make them into appropriate articles, Thanks alot.--Grey Pursuit 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Bliss, After Tonight, and X-Girlfriend were only released as fake singles OmegaWikipedia 20:19, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

How can she have 22 million US singles & 50 million world wide, when the listed sales don't add up to that amount? --ThisIsMyName 18:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Certain songs should remain on this list because of their international releases. (ex. 'Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)', not 'Crybaby', was released in Canada and Brazil; 'Reflections (Care Enough)' was released as a single only in Japan and certain Asian countries, that however shouldn't undermine its release as an official single.) Also, something should be done with the promo-only singles not featured in this discography - 'Underneath The Stars', 'Last Night a DJ Saved My Life', 'The One', etc. - because in their respective articles, their still referred to as 'singles', not plainly as Mariah Carey 'songs'. I find this to be misleading to readers who stumble upon these articles and are unable to find them located in the main singles discography. Thanks. (btw, sorry for my hiatus, I've been editing off my login) --Grey Pursuit 18:18, 24 December 2005 (UTC) Is this the truth about We Belong Together selling 5.5million copies. I strongly doubt that! Its more close to 1million isnt it? -- It is impossible for We Belong Together to have sold 5.5 million copies. How many copies has it sold in the United States? Her United States sales account for almost 3/4 of the sales of that single since Mariah is not that succesful in other countries. And that song wasn't succesful worlwide it only reached #1 in like 7 countries if i'm not mistaken. 200.56.180.38 03:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Why are the limited/promo singles not included in the chart? I mean they're technically still singles and it seems odd that a song like Underneath The Stars which was on Mariah's greatest hits album and was released to many radio stations isn't on the list! Forever and Butterfly, for example, were also airplay only but are on the chart. The Roof was released as a single in some countries, while Sweetheart was released as a single in the U.S. (but retracted) and in Europe. These songs were singles (though maybe not technically in the U.S.), but they were still singles and should be on the list! Most of the songs not in the chart had singles, were released to radio, and had music videos...what more is necessary?

[edit] Page protection

The recent protection of the article by Journalist (talk · contribs) may require some explanation. I hope the issue would be resolved without administrator intervention, but I feel that protecting the page was the only option and thank Journalist for doing so, since it has been going on for weeks now (see the history). Vorash (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) has been repeatedly reverting attempts made to remove uncited sales figures from the article without adequate discussion or explanation, and his blanket reverts have been undoing dozens of good edits made to the article in the meantime. This originally started back in January when I removed material which I believed to be unsourced; Vorash subsequently reverted, and continued to do so after that (see, for example, [1] and [2]). I dropped the issue after I noticed some websites included within the article's references section, but upon closer investigation they do not support the material that Vorash insists on reinserting time after time. He has also reverted without edit summaries and marks reverts as "minor" edits, despite being requested not to do so. As can be read at user talk:Vorash, I referred him to the appropriate policy and guideline pages, and his response was to call my message "bullshit" and accuse me of vandalising the article [3]; he continues to refer to me as a "vandal" in his edit summaries even though I have asked him not to.

This has gone beyond a content dispute; it's a case of a stubborn and unresponsive user performing blind reverts to a weeks-old version of an article which border on vandalism, and this can all be seen in the page's edit history (see [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9] and [10]). This revert, for example, re-introduced a factual inaccuracy into the article which had been previously removed (and was only spotted again a few days ago). Recently anon 85.64.227.133 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) mysteriously took over and started reverting to the exact same version, and after he/she was blocked because of a 3RR violation Klppaa (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) also performed an identical revert. As user talk:Vorash indicates, myself and other users have tried to get him to discuss the issue, but he just carries on reverting with no consideration for the edits he is undoing. Vorash, your behaviour and attitude are unproductive, and it would be appreciated if you were to find reliable sources for the sales figures you insists on reinserting into the article. Otherwise, your reverts will continue to be undone and you may become the subject of a request for comment, which will most likely lead to punitive action against you. Please reconsider and think twice about what you're doing. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 13:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope that an RfC does not have to be filed. Let us attempt to build an encyclopedia and not damage the content that has been provided. Sales figures may be difficult to locate, but this does not mean they should be inserted within the article without sources. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree, though I hope that Vorash will accept the invitation to discuss the issue. For those who are interested, the version without the sales figures is here, and the version with them is here. The diff can be seen here. Extraordinary Machine 22:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Differences in chart positions

The Mariah Carey article lists "Don't Forget About Us" as the singer's eighth Japanese number-one single, however, this article lists the song as a top-sixty success. Could somebody please provide sources for this? According to the Japanese figures of Carey's chart positions on MariahCharts, the song did not reach a peak position of number one. Are there anymore citations that could be referred to? —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It's possible that the MariahCharts page was last updated when "Don't Forget About Us" was still ascending the Tokyo Hot 100. We don't know that for sure, though, so it's best not to edit it back in. Extraordinary Machine 22:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
It is unlikely for a single to ascend the Japanese singles chart, and therefore, I am led to believe that it did not reach the top position. However, MariahCharts certainly may have not been updated since the most recent figures of the Tokyo Hot 100; I believe it best to wait a bit longer. —Eternal Equinox | talk 02:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Official Japanese Chart Positions

Could somebody fix the Japanese chart positions in the discography and the main page? They all allude to some radio station's airplay chart, and not to the actual official single sales chart. This is the official one. Japanese people don't usually buy western artists' singles, which is why all this 'Japan #1 stuff' suprised me. Oricon is the Billboard of Japan, and no other sites should be trusted with chart positions because they're not the official charts backed with sales figures. I'll type out the figures/titles in English.

  • All I Want for Christmas is You (Jap Title:Koibito-tachi no Christmas [恋人たちのクリスマス]). Was used as the drama 29-sai no Christmas (29才のクリスマス)'s theme song, which is why it was so popular. It sold app. 1,300,000 units, according to the Japanese Wikipedia.
Peacked #2, charted in the top 200 for 16 weeks.
(1996 Re-issue) Peacked #70, charted in the top 200 for 2 weeks.
(Millennium remix) Peacked #43, charted in the top 200 for 1 week.
  • Fantasy
Peacked #18, charted in the top 200 for 6 weeks.
  • Through the Rain
Peaked #26, charted in the top 200 for 7 weeks.
  • Heartbreaker
Peaked #37, charted in the top 200 for 5 weeks.
  • Honey
Peaked #39, charted in the top 200 for 3 weeks.
  • When You Believe
Peaked #45, charted in the top 200 for 7 weeks.
  • Loverboy
Peaked #52, charted in the top 200 for 2 weeks.
  • Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now) (Jap Title:Mitsumete Hoshii [見つめて欲しい])
Peaked #78, charted in the top 200 for 1 week.
  • Always Be My Baby
Peaked #79, charted in the top 200 for 2 weeks.
  • One Sweet Day
Peaked #87, charted in the top 200 for 2 weeks.
  • Emotions
Peaked #90, charted in the top 200 for 1 week.
  • It's Like That
Peaked #130, charted in the top 200 for 1 week.

Also the JA Wikipedia says that Thank God I Found You was used as the Nescafé Santamarta commercial's song in Japan. --Mahogany h00r 12:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

As you have mentioned above, I agree as I know Oricon is the official chart used in Japan that determines sales and airplay figures and is the Japanese equivalent to Billboard Magazine and ARIA. The positions featured on the discography page and the individual single articles are from the "Hot 100" chart of a Tokyo-based radio station, J-Wave. They are not official chart positions. Thus, I will remove them for now, unless someone would like to put it back with the correct Oricon chart positions. Oh yeh, I'm back :) Grey Pursuit 18:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dashes and n/a's

I used "n/a" for singles that weren't released or were ineligible to appear on a particular chart, and "—" to indicate that it was released but didn't chart. I think it's very important for the article to distinguish between the two. Extraordinary Machine 20:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh okay. I just assumed that the problem was that no one wanted to spend time using a uniform symbol or whatever. Sorry about that.

Btw, I have a question about the inclusion of "Everytime I Close My Eyes". I'm pretty sure its been discussed about it NOT being a Carey single, but rather featuring her as a backup vocalist, not a main vocalist. Does that constitute as her being a featured artist and thus it being one of her singles? I'm trying to find a direct reference, but you could propably correct me beforehand. Thx. Grey Pursuit 02:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

    • No, it doesn't. If every backup vocalist charted, then hundreds of famous backup vocalists like Trey Lorenz, Debra Killings, and Kelly Price would have several Top 10 hits. Mariah Carey is onyl heard performing backup vocals for Babyface, who himself, is a renown background vocalist. Babyface isnt' acredited to Madonna's "Take a Bow," or Carey's own "Always Be My Baby;" both #1 songs in which he provided vocals for.

The bottom line is, if a song features an artist prominently, then it can be listed under his/her discography. As well, If artists has the song, a remix, or a reworked version of a featured song on their own album, it can be attributed to their own album. Case in point: "I Know What You Want" is featured on Mariah Carey's 'Tour Edition' of her Charmbracelet album and can also be found on her The Remixes compilation, therefore it is attributed to her own discography, while her feature in Jadakiss's "U Make Me Wanna" is not.

[edit] The World-Wide Sales

Here is the worldwide sales for Mariah's singles (good source) [11] can somebody add it in the article


[edit] Japanese sales

Can somebody please add her Japanese sales in the article. here is the source [12]

  • That's international airplay. If anything we should use the oricon chart, and she really only had one real hit on there (All I Want For Christmas is You). It should be noted that international singles almost always flop. Ayumi4u 00:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistencies

After I fixed Mariah Carey's singles titles, someone reverted them inconsistently. Why is "Never Too Far" / "Never Too Far/Hero" left on-- noting its dual release-- yet other dual releases were deleted? I'm changing them back to their official releasing and noted a (remix) when a (remix) was the charting single.

  • "Dreamlover" / "Dreamlover (remix)"; although there are two different versions, the song entered the Hot 100 as one entry. The was later re-recorded; both received their own commercial releases.
  • "Anytime You Need a Friend" / "Anytime You Need a Friend (remix)"; although there are two different versions, the song entered the Hot 100 as one entry. The was later re-recorded; both received their own commercial releases.
  • "Hero"; the song is listed as a 1994 entry as its trajectory was split between 1993 and 1994, the majority of its weight being in 1994 and being dominated by the technical 'Billboard-Year' of 1994. The song was also nominated for a Grammy as being released for the year 1994. There is no confusion surrounding this.
  • "Without You" / "Without You/Never Forget You"; the double A-side entered the Hot 100, but "Never Forget You" also had its own entry on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop chart.
  • "All I Want For Christmas is You"; the song is listed as #12 on the Hot 100 because of its initial position on the Hot 100 Airplay chart during Christmas, 1994. It did not peak at #83 on the Hot 100 in 1994, it peaked at #12 on the Hot 100 Airplay chary and should be listed for its original entry, not as a recurrent entry.
  • "Underneath the Stars (remix)"; this version of the song entered the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart, not the album version.
  • "Breakdown" / "My All/Breakdown"; the song entered the Hot 100 as a double A-side, yet charted on the Hot 100 Airplay and Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay charts as a seperate entry.
  • "My All" / "My All/Stay Awhile (remix)"; the song entered the Hot 100 as a double A-side, but "My All/Stay Awhile (remix)" entered the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop chart as its own entry; also "My All" and "My All/Stay Awhile (remix)" both received their own commercial releases, accompanied by seperate videos.
  • "I Still Believe" / "I Still Beleive/Pure Imagination (remix)"; the song entered the Hot 100 as "I Still Believe," but "I Still Believe/Pure Imagination (remix)" entered the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop chart as its own entry; also "I Still Believe" and "I Still Beleive/Pure Imagination (remix)" both received their own commercial releases, accompanied by seperate videos.
  • "Heartbreaker" / "Heartbreaker (remix)"; the song entered the Hot 100 as "Heartbreaker," but "Heartbreaker (remix)" entered the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop chart as its own entry; also Billboard acknowledges that there are indeed two seperate versions of the song, one that charted on the Hot 100 and another that entered the R&B/Hip-Hop chart. Both were accompanied by seperate videos.
  • "Thank God I Found You" / "Thank God I Found You/Make It Last (remix)"; the song entered the Hot 100 as "Thank God I Found You", but "Thank God I Found You/Make It Last (remix)" entered the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop chart as its own entry; also Billboard acknowledges that there are indeed two seperate versions of the song, one that charted on the Hot 100 and another that entered the R&B/Hip-Hop chart. "Thank God I Found You" and "Thank God I Found You/Make It Last (remix)" both received their own commercial releases, accompanied by seperate videos.
  • "Mariah's Theme/Crybaby" / "Crybaby" / "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)"; the song entered the Hot 100 as a double A-side, but "Crybaby" entered the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop chart as its own entry.
  • "Loverboy (remix)" / "Loverboy"; the song entered the Hot 100 as "Loverboy" with the remix being the version of the song that was released and promoted, as well the version of the song that became more successful; also Billboard acknowledges that there are indeed two seperate versions of the song, one that charted on the Hot 100 and another that entered the R&B/Hip-Hop chart. (on vinyl, "Loverboy (remix)" is the A-side.) Both versions were accompanied by seperate videos.
  • "Never Too Far" / "Never Too Far/Hero"; the song entered the Hot 100 as "Never Too Far, and both received their own commercial releases, accompanied by seperate videos. "Never Too Far" is logged for 2001 while "Never Too Far/Hero Medley" is actually logged for 2002, so the version that entered an independent chart ("Never Too Far") is what received the domineering log.
  • "Irresistible (Westside Connection)"; the song charted in 2002, before "Through the Rain" charted in the 2003 'Billboard-Year' and also later released commercially in 2003.
  • "Through the Rain"; the song was released commercially in 2003 with its most successful version, the remix, logged for 2003. "Through the Rain" was the promoted and performed version accompanied by a video and live performances, however more successful the remix was.
  • "Boy (I Need You) (remix)"; the original version of the song failed to enter the Hot 100, but the remix logged an entry on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop chart.
  • "I Know What You Want"; the song, as it was released, was not available on The Remixes as this compilation wasn't released until later that year; as well "I Know What You Want" was not the promotional single for The Remixes compilation. "I Know What You Want" was available in Mariah Carey's discography at the time Charmbracelet was re-released to include it and three other songs. (the re-release was pulled like "Sweetheart," with virtually zero copies available in the Untied States.)
  • "Don't Forget About Us", the song is listed as a 2006 entry as its trajectory was split between 2005 and 2006, the majority of its weight being in 2006 and being dominated by the technical 'Billboard-Year' of 2006. The song was also nominated for a Grammy as being released for the year 2006. There is no confusion surrounding this.
I've copyedited some of this article, made the formatting more efficient and brought it into line with the Manual of Style and the other relevant policy, guideline and WikiProject pages. I don't have time to correct the inaccuracies, but, as indicated by the comments above, it should be said that some of the discography has become very U.S.-centric. The bulk of the U.S. chart runs of "Hero" and "Don't Forget About Us", for example, occur in the calendar years after the years of their respective releases, but in many countries outside the U.S. — where such singles were released — the single's "main year" (if you will) is considered the one in which the single was released for sale. In the cases of "Hero" and "Don't Forget About Us" these years would be 1993 and 2005, respectively.
No, I've already explained this thoroughly.--The Knowledge 19:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you explained your approach thoroughly; I'm pointing out that it is very U.S.-centric. Extraordinary Machine 23:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, in its current format the singles table is very misleading to readers not familiar with Carey's discography; for example, "I Know What You Want" is a Busta Rhymes single on which Carey is a featured artist, but the way its entry on this article is presented would suggest that it is a Carey solo single. I don't have time to list (let alone fix) all the problems, but I wanted to raise these issues here. Extraordinary Machine 23:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
This is Mariah Carey's discography, whether or not she has featured vocals on a Busta Rhymes album is extraneous to a Mariah Carey trajectory. The point is, "I Know What You Want" was promoted by Mariah Carey's camp first and the song is available internationally on the album Charmbracelet. Whether it's on Busta Rhymes album is of no concern to a M. Carey trajectory when it's also available on hers. Should "When You Believe" be listed as available on Whitney Houston's album? Or should "Hero" be listed as available on the September 11 Compilation? No.--The Knowledge 19:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
It's not "extraneous" or "of no concern" to a Carey discography article, given that the popularity of the artists credited on a single can have a significant impact on the chart performance of that single. Using the "I Know What You Want" example, surely readers may wonder why Carey had "her" top five U.S. hit in the middle of a string of low-/non-charting singles — mentioning that Busta Rhymes is the lead artist will prevent this from happening and avoid readers from being misled. And I don't know where you got the idea that Carey's "camp" promoted the single ahead of Rhymes's, because I've not read that anywhere — the re-release of Carey's album was announced only after "I Know What You Want" had become a hit. Yes, "When You Believe" should be mentioned as being available on Houston's My Love Is Your Love, because the single was used to promote not only the film soundtrack (which isn't mentioned here, for some reason) and the Houston and Carey albums at the time. Your point about "Hero" is moot here because the song was released as a single in 1993, so it probably couldn't have been used to promote a 9/11 compilation album. Extraordinary Machine 23:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RUINED

I remembered this page as the one of the few singles discography which were organized! now everything looks as messy as janet jackson's discography is! And, for gods sake, why dont we include world wide sales!?! Something must be done!

--Mysterious Spy 19:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Since Mariah Is such a successful artist that she has had more number 1's then other artists have had singles, why not just list her US number 1's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanairamaadlett (talk • contribs) 22:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Single Over View?

What's the point of having a single overview if it includes all singles she has ever made. Why not just make it a U.S Single overview and list all her U.S. singles there. Then, you can introduce the Detailed chart. There's got to be a way was not released in the U.S. "Get Your Number" was not either. Make things easier for yourself and, most importantly, more organized for others to understand. This page has changed from an honor to read to a repetitive display of unorganizedness.---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 17:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Number one singles

Can someone put the number one singles that i created on Mariah's page.....and if there are wrong numbers (which i doubt),please fix them....all the other singers have their number ones there,ex:Britney Spears,Beyonce,Avril Lavigne......so, why shouldnt mariah have her #1s on her page.......and she has the most #1.........someone please put her #1s there....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.42.21.62 (talk) 10:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


i dont know if all those markets are needed.......shall i remove some on them...if so,which ones............ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.42.21.62 (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


I dont know if the numbers are put are all correct....can someone check??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by J.looo (talk • contribs) 11:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed sections

  • "Singles overview" - completely pointless. It's redundant and separates out specific countries, which shows a POV"
  • "Year-end placings" - specific to U.S. and not needed here or in any discography page. That info can go in the song articles if necessary (song titles were also italicised, which is not correct).
  • "U.S. number-ones" - again, redundant and U.S.-centric. Chart positions were also boldfaced, which is also incorrect formatting.

There is no reason for Mariah Carey's page to have a bunch of extra sections that all other discography pages do not. - eo (talk) 19:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ignorant Revision

STOP trying to add your own personal touches to this page. It is poignant and precise the way it is. There is no need for oversimplification or additions to the singles discography section. --The Knowledge (talk) 20:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

First, I placed your comment in chronological order. Second, my edits are not ignorant, as you've stated here and on my talk page. You may want to read WP:Civility. I have every right to edit this page and to clean it up as necessary. You do not own this page and these sections are completely redundant and show a clear POV. Please explain to me why they need to be included. There is nothing "simple" about this article without those sections, there is a huge table here which clearly displays worldwide chart information and sales. Do you have a compelling explanation as to why Mariah Carey needs these extra sections? - eo (talk) 20:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
An artist's discography is reflective of the major markets in which they had sales and success. The three largest markets in the world are the United States, the united Kingdom, and Australia. There is no slanted point of view to present. As well, the Billboard Hot 100 Chart for the United States is the most prestigious and trendy music publishing magazine in the world. The "US Number Ones" chart has been since fixed as it was an irrelevant addition to the page. Research before you oversimplify something you have no idea about. The original page remains. Do not revert the page or you will be banned.--The Knowledge (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that is an accurate description of what a discography is, but you fail to explain why song titles need to be listed twice or three times on the same page. There is nothing "over-simplified" about this page, as it should look like every other discography page in Wikipedia. This is not a Mariah Carey fan page and accusing me of "having no idea" what any of this means is not civil. Threatening me with "banning" is also rude. Unless someone can provide valid reasons for the inclusion of the same information over and over in this article the sections should not be here. - eo (talk) 20:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I already gave a reasoning. The Detailed Singles & Tracks is too extensive for a look at a specifiy country, song, or year as the information is massive. There is nothing redundant about having an overview first and then a breakdown of statistics in the main body. I have removed everything unnecessary from this page, it is one of the few pages that is as simple as it can be and as extensive as it should.

If you want to clean up an artist's page, please go to Janet Jackson discography. It is a mess I dare not tackle, especially the slanted inclusion of the Tokio Airplay as the mock official Japanese chart (it isn't.) thanks~--The Knowledge (talk) 21:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Honestly I think JJackson's page looks pretty good. My only issue there are the flags in the column headers but that's a different issue. Anyhoo, let's keep the overview here for now and get some other editors' views on this. Thanks - eo (talk) 21:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charts

This discography needs a lot of help. First of all, the different kinds of U.S. charts in total are more than the number of countries included. To provide an accurate discography, this article must have more countries and less U.S. sub-charts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HardCandy08 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)