Talk:M4 motorway

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Does anyone know why there are no Junctions 31 and 39? Were they surplus to requirements?

Timrollpickering 19:40 Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)

When construction of the M4 happened piecemeal, the last junction at Newport was 28, the exit to the line of the A48(M) was 29, and the planners decided on three intermediate junctions before picking up at 33. J31 is thought to have been intended to hook up with the A469 to Caerphilly (which really does need the relief). As for 39, the article is inaccurate - there is a 39, however it has only one slip road, and that leads onto the motorway. Chris 20:28, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is there a reason the bus lane isn't mentioned? Thryduulf 16:50, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Because nobody had written about it! Paul Weaver 01:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Special features 2 Unencyclopaedic 3 Systemic bias 4 Primary destinations

[edit] Special features

Anyone any idea why the page generator leaves such a big gap after the word 'controversy' in this section? I've looked at the source but see no reason?!?

It doesn't. There is an external link icon there. Perhaps it didn't load for you for some reason? It may also be a browser bug. There are several known bugs with IE 6 that aren't present in Firefox for exmaple. Owain 14:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unencyclopaedic

Seems there's wiki moderators here who think that articles should be "encyclopaedic". Judging by what gets deleted it is obvious that the whole entire article is "unencyclopaedic".

It's not good enough for an uneducated individual with a login to randomly deface articles just so they can feel something other than the pathetic truth of their life history.

I suggest that such "helpful" (sarcastic) authors attend a university, particularly a science-based course, and learn some realities about fact vs fiction, and logic - particularly when hypocratic reasons are cited for defacement of articles.

Also I suggest that those authors who enjoy defacement of this article actually try and commute on the M4 before making any future changes to this article. But then what's the point of trying to educate a man who believes he has all the knowledge he will ever need? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.155.82 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Systemic bias

Is there any particular reason why this page sits where it does? Other countries have enormously longer and more important M4 motorways, e.g., M4 motorway (Russia). I believe M4 motorway should be reserved for a disambiguation page. --Ghirla^-трёп- 17:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Because this is the English Wikipedia. Anyway, that Russian motorway may be longer, but more important is personal opinion. Marky-Son (talk) 13:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Primary destinations

Cardiff International Airport may be an important airport in Wales, but it is not on the list of primary destinations on the United Kingdom road network. Seth Whales (talk) 20:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

There's also a WAG map of primary destinations here [1] Pondle (talk) 17:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The map appears to be showing just primary settlements, hence why Cardiff Airport isn't on there. So why isn't an airport that over 2 million passengers travel to each year (the majority of which probably using the M4) not a primary destination whereas Heathrow and Manchester are? Must a destination receive so many travellers to be classed as primary? Welshleprechaun (talk) 21:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like your argument is with the DfT or the Transport department at WAG rather than an article content issue! Aside from the map, I notice that the A4050 and the A4055 serving Cardiff Airport aren't green-signed - green signs usually indicate primary routes leading to primary destinations [2] Pondle (talk) 22:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

A report by the WAG in 2003 [3] discussed access to CIA, and the tone of the report indicates that they consider CIA to be a major destination (although they do not specifically state that). The tail end of the report mentions that the contractors' preferred option is a new trunk road toward the CIA (section 4.6.3), and that the route to the airport, both in the short and longer term proposals, be considered for adoption as a trunk road. (section 5). I don't know of further developments since this.

Also, the map's data is as of 2002, and may not be current.

It's been a while since I drove along the M4; does anyone recall if distance markers (or whatever the technical name for the signs) list distances to CIA as well as other locations? I know that CIA is signposted, but so is Cardiff Bay ("use junction 32 for the Bay"), which I'm sure we agree does not warrant being listed separately. Ansbaradigeidfran (talk) 16:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Various lobby groups have been calling for a better road to the airport for many years. The latest on the WAG website states that they are undertaking a consultation exercise. [4] Pondle (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)