Talk:Louis de Broglie

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[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


As discussed below, Louis de Broglie is the name he is known by in English (as is given in Wikipedia:Naming conventions). I added the move tag accordingly. Benplowman 20:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Support move to Louis de Broglie. This is the name by which he is known in English. Andrewa 05:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Support move to Louis de Broglie. Fully agree. However, all the links, many of which I recently changed, will have to be changed back. --Bduke 06:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
    • It is used on the French Wikipedia article. If it is good enough there it is good enough here. --Bduke 22:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
      • That's interesting and does support the move. If the French don't use the full title, it's unlikely that the English will... It just reeks of being pretentiously overcorrect (=wrong). But no, the overriding consideration is the name as used in English, not in French. No change of vote. Andrewa 19:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: No, there's no need to change any links from articles. The resulting redirect will take care of these. Redirects will need to be changed, but there are only two of these, and one of these will be overwritten by the move anyway. So the only one that will need fixing is Prince Louis-Victor Pierre Raymond de Broglie. If you want to tidy up any other links, that's fine, but it's not essential. No change of vote. Andrewa 14:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Actually, if Bduke's gone through systematically eliminating the masking so that other articles say Louis, 7th duc de Broglie, that clumsy usage should be changed back. But normal editing, by editors with any sense of style, should take care of that, as soon as there no longer is the attraction of a direct link. This is another reason not to go around removing single redirects. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
        • It would certainly be good to change it back, for tidiness. But it's not essential or urgent in the way that, say, fixing double redirects is. Andrewa 01:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
          • Not urgent, and where the full form is smooth and fluent prose, it should be left alone; but that will be rare. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, but leave full form in first line. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Agree that the full form should stay in the lead sentence, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Names: While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known. See also Wikipedia:Lead section which probably should point to this particular convention but doesn't at present. No change of vote. Andrewa 01:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from Louis, 7th duc de Broglie to Louis de Broglie as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 06:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duke

If Louis de Broglie was a French duke, then it follows that his title wouldn't be the seventh (7th) duc de Broglie, but Louis, le septième (7ième) duc de Broglie. Does anyone think the same, or should the seventh (7th) be left there for English people? (this is, after all, English Wikipedia).--Clickheretologin 13:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

On the point raised here (although I support the change above), no. We are written in English, for English speakers. Including septième as well as seventh is redundant for readers who know French, and almost pointless for those who don't. Going to fr:Louis de Broglie suggests that the French don't use it either; and if they did, it would be there. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

"francisize" does not seem to be a common word, How about "gallicize" instead?

Neither. Since this guy is known for actually doing something, not just for holding a title, Wikipedia:Naming conventions says that the article should be the name by which he is best known in English: Louis de Broglie, or possibly Louis Victor de Broglie or [[Louis-Victor de Broglie. One or another of those spellings, of course, is used in the vast majority of the articles linking here, and I'd bet that almost all of them linking to the current article name were changed from something else at some time after this article was created. All the duke stuff, in both English and French, can appear in the intro, but it doesn't belong in the article name. Gene Nygaard 17:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

This article is poorly written. A complete rewrite may be necassary.Woldo 00:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Three pages

"His doctoral thesis is said to be three pages long"

These things are usually public, so this should be easy to check. Either "said to be" must go, or the entire sentence. Shinobu 13:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I've heard that claim made on the web, but it seems to be nothing but an urban legend. The published version of de Broglie's thesis, "Recherches sur la théorie des quanta" is 111 pages long. [1] -- Tim314 14:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

I've heard his name pronounced a thousand different ways (de BROGlee, de BROGHlee de BROlee, de BROY)... any Francophones out there want to clarify this for the rest of us? --24.147.86.187 15:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 07:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Was de Broglie Black?

I have looked at many of his pictures over the course of his life, and he looks biracial or part black. He features, and his hair texture brought me to question his racial make up. His hair is afro in texture. That is not at all typical of anyone that does not have African ancestry. Also he never married. It was commonplace for black people in his day, passing for white for success in their careers, not to marry, because what the child may look like when it is born.

Can anyone provide a picture of his mother and father? Or any evidence that he may be black? 76.118.226.39 (talk) 23:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)mke

This is complete nonsense as nobody cares whether he was or not. However, since he was a member of the French aristocracy as a Count, it is highly unlikely. --Bduke (talk) 11:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)