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An entry from Lithuanian calendar appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on February 28, 2007.

[edit] Earlier names

I wonder what were the names for the months used prior to 1918. Were they based on Latin? //Halibu tt 19:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

No these and other Lithuanian words were invented after 1918 II 16th, like all the rest of Lithuanian language and toponyms.--Lokyz 22:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

That's an interesting question, but I don't have firm references to hand. Inserted a 19th century pic, but the resolution is too poor to see any month names, if there are any. Novickas 22:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, the explanation helped a bit. Prior to your edits the article suggested that the names of the months before 1918 were totally different and it was not until that time that the new names were invented (They were created after Lithuania regained independence in 1918, and celebrate natural phenomena). Anyway, adding the info on earlier calendar would be interesting. //Halibu tt 22:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Invented weekdays:

A comparison with Prussian-Lithuanian shows that today's weekdays are ahistorical. These are the entries from Kurschat's German-(Prussian-)Lithuanian dictionary of 1870. All are Slavic loanwords.

Montag: panedelis - pirmadienis

Dienstag: utarninkas - antradienis

Mittwoch: sereda - treciadienis

Donnerstag: ketwergas - ketvirtadienis

Freitag: petnyczia - penktadienis

Samstag: subata - sestadienis

Sonntag: nedelia - sekmadienis

Lutz Szemkus

[edit] Forgery

Lokyz do you think that the calender from 1861, might be a forgery? It's a clear reference to Wilnius, prior to the stardardization of Lithuanian spelling. The toponym, Vilnius, was invented in 1918 too, wasn't it? If your not sure, can you think of an expert who might know? Dr. Dan 16:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this was just plain ironic. i do know that all those names have agelong tradition, like the Lithuanian language also. I'm sorry if you did not understand my harsh joke.--213.197.149.74 15:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. oops, I was logged out.--Lokyz 15:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's a forgery since it uses the contemporary spelling (Wilniuje) rather than post-1918 one (Vilniuje). //Halibu tt 22:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Lokyz, it was I that was being ironic. I don't have to tell you, but for the benefit of others, Wilniuje, is the locative grammatical case, for the calendar being published in Wilnius, in 1861, with Lithuanian spellings having since been standardized to Vilnius. For the benefit of English speakers, it it comparable to Jefferson's, non-standardized spellings in the Declaration of Independence, or of Szekspir's spelling all over the place. Just the same, the calendar is a great contribution, and another example of "how Lithuanians were able to establish a nation out of "Folklore", or some such babel that Wikipedeans are constantly bombarded with. Dr. Dan 22:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Then why do you bombard wikipedians with such rubbish if you don't like it yourself? As far as I know you're the only person out there spreading such nonsense... //Halibu tt 03:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

And I suppose a few examples of such "rubbish" would be that Vilnius is the historical capital of Lithuania. Or that Vilnius is located in Lithuania. Or that the famous "two-percent" of Lithuanians living in Vilnius, were a minority of people who were ethnically Lithuanian, but could not, or chose not to speak Polish or Russian, or identify themselves with Poland or Russia. And let's not forget the "rubbish" of my insistence that Jews living in Lithuania were/are Lithuanian Jews just as those living in France were/are French Jews. Naturually it's better that you should focus on denying these facts over and over again. Otherwise one would have to confront the issue of the Lithuanian calendar in this article printed in 1861, in the Lithuanian language, in "Wilnius", two years prior to the January Uprising. And that a lot of Lithuanian related information in articles on Wikipedia was not "invented" in 1918, but a lot of biased and derogatory information about Lithuania and Lithuanians was "invented" in the minds of a few editors in the last few years right here on this venue. Dr. Dan 13:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope you don't expect me to honour your lies with a reply. //Halibu tt 03:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course I don't, not that you could, even if you chose to do so. That would require you to confront my "lies" with your own "truths". So I will simply have to let our readers judge for themselves on this one. Dr. Dan 14:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Historic names

I added the historic names to the article. The entry for vasaris is a little mysterious since the historic versions don't include anything like it. A possibly crackpot theory comes to mind - could it be connected to independence being declared in that month? Reference was here: [1] Novickas 16:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)