Talk:List of ships in British Columbia
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[edit] Notes on first draft
There may be some duplication here with the List of Royal Navy ships in the Pacific Northwest - certain names like the Ruby, Arthur and Resolution stand out to me, but there may have been, for example, an SS Ruby as well as an HMS Ruby, but I haven't dug into the source texts for details. Spanish ship-designations are given without "SS" although this is customary in English - I seem to recall seeing SS Aranzazu so maybe that's an English-language convention for non-anglophone vessels; if anyone knows it, or knows the proper designations for these vessels, please amend their entries accordingly; similarly I've left off the SS off Russian ships, and tried to disambig stuff like SS Massachusetts (Northwest Coast) because doubtless there are other more, um, notable vessels by that name (also SS Enterprise (Northwest Coast)). Inland routes are partially represented here, but the cut-off date so far is 1871 and only a few after that I just happen to know about; Pethick's other book First Explorations of the Northwest Coast is a treasure-trove here if someone can find it, and I'd imagine Cate Blanchett's Circle of Time has an interesting ship register; as also shipping registers for the Inside Passage and coastal shipping companies. This list is intended to be reformatted with a table a la List of ghost towns in British Columbia giving the vessel's commander, nature of vessel, flag, era, shipwreck y/n and so on. Some mode of organizing these into British/Canadian, American, Austrian, French, Spanish, Russian, Portuguese etc sections might be good; none are numerous enough, except maybe for the Spanish, to warrant a separate list (American ones are so omnipresent in BC history that it's pointless to separate them....).Skookum1 04:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Research to do for someone who feels like it
One way to compile/expand this list is to use the BC Archives search page (via the external links) and just search for all records on "ships" and/or "vessels"; it was a bit easier with the Royal Navy ones as I could search for "HMS" and get a lot of direct hits; might work well for "MV" but obviously problematic for "SS". I don't have the patience to go through the archives this time around, though; most additions/entries here are from indexes of history books....Skookum1 04:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Another fun task would to go through the list that's there and find ones that there are articles for, but are redlinked because the article name is different from the ship name (eg, with the year built or (ship) in brackets after the name).Bobanny 04:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] German vessels
Other than ones here during the pre-Great War shipping/real estate heyday, when German capital was omnipresent; I'm meaning the offshore wartime scoutings during both World Wars; can't remember which vessels right now but some caused alarms; some their identity was found out later, as with a U-boat, but I can't remember its name.Skookum1 08:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cut-off date or other limits
There's got to be a cut-off date for this list, I guess, as we can't ilst all contemporary vessels, other than those of note (liners, military, famous tugboats and fishboats etc); but we can't list all visiting vessels, military commercial private, obviously. Not sure what time or other limit to impose here. Thoughts?Skookum1 08:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hope
Not sure if the SS Hope is the ship supposed to be on this list. There is also the Hope (ship) that traded around 1790, but I don't know if both ships have ties to BC. Aboutmovies 18:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Draft headings for table format
Please view in edit for comments.
| Ship | Other names | Captain | Type | Tons | Draft | Registry (flag) | Owner | Events/locations | Dates in BC | Demise | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SS Abyssinia | Abyssinia | Steamship: passenger and freight liner | 3651 tons | CPR (chartered from Cunard) | 1887, TransPacific record on inaugural CPR shipment from Orient to NY/UK | 1887-1891 | destroyed by fire | First of CPR liners, pre-Empress series |
Thoughts on this later, maybe some other info as I know other columns had occurred to me.Skookum1 02:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Just a Question
I was wondering why the BX, Chilco, Charlotte ect are classified here as Motor Vessels. As wood-fired sternwheelers would they not be Paddle Steamers? Also the BX and the BC Express were Royal Mail Steamers for part of their careers, however I won't monkey with it because I've seen all the ones I've mentioned also referred to as SS.CindyBo 07:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's a question of legal registry, and I was wary when building this list of "SS'ing" everything, as "SS" is also decidedly a US-ism although it's been adopted by Canadians, who'll often apply the name to a vessel without it being appropriate; in most cases here it's what in the source I got the list from, but depending on the source it may not be correct. I didn't actually realize the MV/motor vessel SS/steamship distinction as I'd always associated "MV" with Canada/British Empire (you don't see it in the States, do you, or not?), though it was "merchant vessel" or something. As for the BX and the Chilco I haven't seen a source, other than mentions in the bio resources on the Barnards themselves, and I know that some of the "pop histories" have might use SS when they should use MV maybe, or vice versa. There must be legislation somewhere about what such designations mean, or rather a listing of indidivual ships and their proper registry names/designations. That the were Royal Mail Steamers seems by default to mean that they should be the RMS BX and the RMS BC Express, which is probably right but weird to see becaues I've always associated it with the Empresses etc.Skookum1 18:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'd check out the Ship prefix and Cargo ship articles for clarification. I think I've seen MV used by the yanks somewhere. bobanny 20:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
