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    [edit] In English, it is Lake Scutari

    Since this is the English language wikipedia, the name used by English speakers, Lake Scutari must be used. This is the name used in Rand McNally maps, Encyclopedia Brittanica, and MSN Encarta, etc. Imperial78 16:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

    No, the name is Lake Skadar. Rarelibra 18:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
    No, in English it is Lake Scutari. Similar we say Republic of Serbia, not Republic of Srbija. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.45.72.26 (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Page histories merged

    To merge histories of the page here (currently Skadar Lake) and (partially) at Skadarsko Lake, I deleted this page, then moved the history at Skadarsko Lake here, deleted this as well and then restore all. There was almost no overlap in the page histories. At some point, someone had copy-and-pasted the article from one title to another one. -- User:Docu 21:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Page move to Skadar Lake

    This is a controvertial page move, which should have been discussed first. It even contradicts the result of the last proper move request. So, let's bring the page back to Lake Scutari and then propose a new proper move request. To that effect, I have left a notice at WP:RM - Best regards, Ev 22:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
    The page has been moved back to Lake Scutari, and I have done some minor edits accordingly, for consistency. - Ev 22:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

    What the hell are you doing? It's Skadar Lake(native name: Skadarsko Jezero). Scutari is Italian name for it, and last time I checked, this was wikipedia in English. If you use google to search for three(or 4, whatever) versions of its name, "Lake Skadar" by far has the most hits... Sideshow Bob 22:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

    Take a look at the last move request: some of us consider "Lake Scutari" to be English name of this lake, along with Britannica, Columbia, Encarta, etc. :-) Of course, you can always request a move via the proper channels (i.e. following WP:RM procedures). Best regards. Ev 22:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

    Note: I did not move the article to Skadar Lake. This was done by Nikola Smolenski. IMHO the article should be there were we agree it should be. -- User:Docu 04:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

    There is absolutely no reason why this article should be at anything other than Skadar Lake. That name is much more used ([1] vs [2]) and, in addition, most of the lake is in Montenegro, so Serbian name should be used. The article was created at Skadar Lake; it is initial move to Lake Scutari that is controversial. Nikola 05:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
    Nikola, you moved the article for the second time (diff.), again without any previous discussion, much less a proper move request (via WP:RM), and in contradiction with the result of the last proper move request (which took place in December 2006, and showed the existance of many reasons to have the article at "Lake Scutari").
    I left a note at WP:RM (diff.) to revert this unilateral move. I'm also asking to protect the article from being moved, to force all users to discuss the issue at the article's talk page instead of just moving the article back and forth.
    If you think the article should be at any name other than "Lake Scutari", please, follow the proper procedures od a move request (via WP:RM). - Best regards, Ev 05:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
    I was not aware that a move request existed. I'm sorry for that.
    But now that I am aware, I don't think that it is a proper request. The article existed at Skadar Lake and was unilaterally moved to Lake Scutari. Then the request to move it back failed. Sorry, it should have been moved to Skadar Lake and request should have be to move it to Lake Scutari. Nikola 05:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
    Nikola, the article was moved back and forth, many times, apparently without much discussion, to Serbo-Croatian, Albanian and other names. The only proper move request so far decided in keeping the article at "Lake Scutari", and with good reasons: it's the name other encyclopedias use, the National Geographic Society, English-language books... in short, it has been clearly demostrated that "Lake Scutari" represents common English usage, and it's the proper title in accordance with our current naming conventions.
    I do consider proper procedures important, and thus I do understand your point (i.e. that the article was moved from its original title without going through WP:RM). However, the last -and only- proper move request was more than just a simple formality: it formed a minumum consensus on "Lake Scutari" being the English name of this lake. It represents the current consensus of Wikipedia editors. It has to be challenged with good arguments, and not only by considering it invalid.
    Let's move the article back to "Lake Scutari, the name the only proper discussion on the issue so far has decised the use for this article, and then feel free to propose a new name :-) Best regards, Ev 05:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
    The page has been moved back to Lake Scutari (diff.), and I have done some minor edits accordingly, for consistency (diff.).
    Now, please, everybody: instead of continuing with these moves, let's discuss here what to do next. Propose a new page move ? If so, from Scutari to Skadar, thus respecting the previous -and only- proper move request of last December ? Or from the original Skadar (diff.) to Scutari, thus making tabula rasa and going back to the situation of July 2006 ? - Ev 10:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] About the languages

    Most of the lake is in Montenegro. How do I know that? Well, I just know how to read maps, it isn't that difficult. No one ever complained about Serbian language being first before User:Noah30 changed it with obvious bad faith. That's why I reverted it, without an intention of entering the edit war this user started insisting on. And another thing: in Montenegro, Serbian language of ijekavian dialect is official, althouth it is probably soon to be changed to Montenegrin, which I declare my native language. But, this is not the place for a debate on that topic. Sideshow Bob 17:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)